Will Video Kill The Virtual Tour?

The short answer: NO. The long answer: Definitely not.

But to hear the new wave of video technologists talk, you’d think that all other media are officially dead. They’re telling us to throw away our digital cameras or be declared obsolete, even though these videos are just another form of virtual tour. These new videovangelists are even defying people to argue otherwise.

I hate when people defy me to do things. Especially people who don’t know what they’re talking about and prove it every time they open their mouths. Bill Leider is not too fond of this kind of empty rhetoric either. Bill's introduction to this topic is: The Whole World Is Going To Video - Or Not. So over the coming weeks we’re going to explore the depths of Internet marketing, analyze its various elements, define what makes for great and not so great presentations, connect all of it to what it needs to be in order to make you more successful and, most importantly, invite your input.

First, here’s a preview, expressed as three reasons why Video will not kill, or even hurt, good virtual tours:

1. Quality – communicating emotion vs. information.

I've written before about the importance of emotion in your Internet presentations. And Video has so much inherent potential to effectively communicate emotion. Done properly it is, experientially, the next best thing to being there. But good video production is complex. So its potential can only be achieved when all the elements of a good production are present. It’s a lot of work and it has to be done by people who really know what they’re doing.

You must have a good videographer or everything turns to garbage.

Whoever is doing the narrative must have a pleasing voice, a warm presence and a well-written script. The script content must communicate feeling - the joy of living in the space - not just a description of the rooms and the building materials and the prestigious brand names of the kitchen appliances. The narrator must communicate love, not the fact that he/she took voice lessons.

Lighting; appropriate background music; the timing and connection between the narrative, the music and what is being seen; the visual flow of all that is being shown; overall show length – all these must be flawlessly executed or the great potential is not only not achieved – but the viewers’ experience turns ugly and negative.

So far, great videos, much like truly great movies, rarely happen. Which brings us to…

2. Cost. It costs money to do video right. And cost has three components:

First, there is the cost of a video in absolute dollars. Even though we don't do video, I was one of three panelists on Video And Your Business at the Inman Real Estate Connect Conference in San Francisco. Both of the other panelists, when asked what a typical video presentation cost, replied that it depends on the cost of the videographer, and that cost ranges between $125 and $1,500 or more – per video.

Second, there is the relative cost of the video as a component or percentage of your overall marketing budget for a particular house.
This, of course, must be reasonable as a percentage of the price of the house and should take into account the other kinds of advertising you must do to address the traditional audience of potential buyers who don’t rely heavily on the Internet.

And third, there is the cost of your time. If you believe that you can abdicate your responsibilities, hand them off to a Video production team/person and just ignore the process you are seriously mistaken. You’re the real estate professional. You are in charge of and responsible for marketing the home. You answer directly to the seller. You need to take an active role in achieving the desired result of the marketing campaign. And Video, well done, requires more time than all other forms of media presentation.

That's why video is the right solution in a relatively small number of situations.
The right situation is where the price of the property allows for the highest quality video production or in situations where the video can have a relatively long shelf life without the potential need for post production modification. Ease of creation and the flexibility to change or modify post production is important - especially in today's market where property stays on the market longer.

If you think that you can save time and money by doing it yourself, and still create a good Video, go back and re-read Items 1 and 2 above. And finally…

3. Ease and Flexibility.

I hope I’ve given you a sense of the complexity and relative difficulty of doing a video well. And I hope you understand the importance of doing it well and the consequences of doing it badly.

Doing a video just to say you’ve done a video makes no sense. The result is the goal, not the medium. Well-done virtual tours can communicate far more positive emotion, positive energy and effective results than mediocre or bad videos. And they can be created with far greater ease because you can work on the components separately. You can focus on photography without simultaneously bringing in the narrative. Making text changes to the narrative does not require any re-shooting. The entire process is far easier.

Even more important is the flexibility. There is a flexibility you get with a well-architected virtual tour that will never exist with a video presentation.

In today’s buyers’ market, homes stay on the market far longer. That often triggers the need to periodically change, modify or update your Internet presentation. With video, you must re-shoot parts of, or even the entire Video. Cost. Time. Yuk.

Today’s virtual tours are not the difficult to produce 360 degree tours of yesterday.
They are dynamically created from still images, and allow you to simply change out the photos you don’t want and insert new ones. Or change the narrative. Or add additional photos. Making a change takes a few minutes and zero dollars extra. Nice.

Lessons From Real Estate Connect.

At the recent Inman Real Estate Connect Conference, Christian Sterner, CEO of Wellcomemat, showed a video that is the perfect example of what I described above, although that was not his intent. Admittedly, the example he used was a sped up version of the actual video. However, his argument both at the conference and on their blog, is that this is far superior to any virtual tour. See for yourself.

Information with insufficient emotion.
Bad lighting.
Plain vanilla words with no real story.
All the cost with none of the benefits.

Now, if you’re going to respond by telling me: “Who cares, the client wants video,” then my answer is, I completely understand, and I intend to address that topic in a future post.

For all other issues, just look at the video and let me know what you see and what you don’t see.

Personally, I strongly believe that well-done video has an important role to play in Internet marketing. But it’s far narrower than the videovangelists would have you believe. Your job, as a professional, is to know which approach to use in which situation to give your clients and you the best results and the best return on investment.

Bill Leider's response to this post is here: http://activerain.com/blogsview/197334/To-V-Or-Not

 
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176 Comments on Will Video Kill The Virtual Tour?

Jeff - when I get over the headache of having to watch all the jerky motions of the video I'll have an opinion! 

It's so true that you would have to have a great (not good) videographer, which these were not. I think I'll stick with your RealEstateShows.com that have me totally hooked!

 

08/22/2007 07:15 PM by Linda Scanlan (The Real Estate Referral Company)


Jeff - My issue with the video is the same as with the 360 degree tours, you have to show everything, even the unflattering angles and bad views.  The junk in the hallway, whited out windows, pills in the cupboard etc.  There is also the camera movement / shake factor. 

I don't know, I think that when listing a home agents would want to show it in the best light to attract the maximum number of buyers.  I think using video is a great way for buyers to narrow down their search and cross homes off the list.  I don't think this is what listing agents are trying to accomplish.  I think once people get to a home they may fall in love with it, but only if they decide to call their agent for a showing.    

08/22/2007 07:19 PM by Maureen Henry - Rockland Home Staging (www.rocklandhomestaging.com)


Jeff, you bring up some really good points here.  I think the video conveys emotion like no other medium can.  I also think it's super expensive and very time consuming to do correctly.  I wonder if our expectations of what "good video" is will lessen as video in on-line marketing becomes more mainstream.

I find myself watching YouTube videos that are poor quality but engaging.  I wonder what advertisers will do (not just in real estate) to produce basically TV commercials for on-line viewing.  We all know what bad and cheesy TV commercials look like but people still pay to produce this sort of advertising.  I wonder how effective it is?  Remember Crazy Eddie and his commercials?  He made a fortune, but those commercials were horrible.

It takes real talent, planning and money to do video right for TV or on-line.  I do think it's the wave of the future, I just don't know what the expectations will be.  I think it's a really an interesting and exploding technology.

08/22/2007 07:26 PM by Tracey Thomas Calabasas, CA Real Estate (Keller Williams Realty)


you say:

 With video, you must re-shoot parts of, or even the entire Video. Cost. Time. Yuk.

genrally we end up with too much excellent video, so we have lots of spares.

also Flash allows for dynamic delivery of content.

please understand most video delivery is in Flash, thus fully dynamic.

Microsoft has Silverlight on the way...   

i wonder why Microsoft jumped in?

08/22/2007 07:27 PM by Robert @ ABC videoTours (ABCvideoTours.com)


i forgot myself why Microsoft jumped in... so this is from their website

  • Deliver media experiences and rich interactive applications (RIAs) for the Web that incorporate video, animation, interactivity, and stunning user interfaces.
  • 08/22/2007 07:31 PM by Robert @ ABC videoTours (ABCvideoTours.com)


    Robert... you can't have spare video of something that didn't exist when you shot the video, like flowers in the front yard of a home that was shot in the winter but is still unsold in the spring. That is what we're referring to. By dynamic, we mean fully dynamic, the moment you replace a photo it is instantly available to the next person who clicks on the link. There is no rendering, since the tours don't exist until someone clicks on the links. Flash video must still be rendered. As for Microsoft, I never understand why they do anything. :)

    08/22/2007 07:40 PM by Jeff Turner (Real Estate Shows)


    Jeff,

    Realtors don't / won't take the time now to take good still photos.  WHY would something that costs more and takes more time be more successful?

    If you ask me they have a long way to go.

    Me

    08/22/2007 07:42 PM by Craig Schiller (REAL ESTAGING, a nationally recognized leader in Staging.)


    Linda... thanks. 

    Maureen... there needs to be more flirting. That's for sure.

    Tracey... well done video conveys emotion like nothing else can. That's a fact. I'm not denying that. I'm actually supporting that notion. The issue is what it takes to get to good video and the cost involved. It's a mistake to tell people they can do this themselves. Most can't. Most won't. 

    08/22/2007 07:44 PM by Jeff Turner (Real Estate Shows)


    Craig... this is true. But at least with photos they can go back easily and correct a mistake. Not so easy with video.

    08/22/2007 07:45 PM by Jeff Turner (Real Estate Shows)


    Jeff, I don't think video will replace virtual tours but I do think that video tours, video web introductions, video blogs for Realtors will definitely be more important.  I have purchased thousands of dollars of professional video and editing equipment and hired professional videographers, but it's still difficult to produce great videos.

    I've followed Inman's videos and their TurnHere video since their inception.  They charge upwards of $3,000 for a video home tour.  I don't think most Realtors will pay for this.  Even in the upper end of real estate Realtors aren't going to plunk down this type of money.  It's very difficult to be on camera when you're not trained.  A good script does help, but it's still difficult.

    I still think many people will do video, but I think the expectations will be lowered.  I don't think we'll see Inman quality videos as the standard.  Take a good look at the pictures on MLS, most of them are pretty bad.  I wonder if this will be the standard for videos.

    I think you raise great questions here, I just don't know the answers.

    08/22/2007 07:53 PM by Tracey Thomas Calabasas, CA Real Estate (Keller Williams Realty)


    Jeff, I read a post today that took me to the welcomematt and then to another one. I was reading the video-evangelists. Who knows ? I don't have time right now to learn it, if I could find a videographer and it was affordable I might be.

    I guess we'll have to wait and see.............the top listing agent in Ann Arbor doesn't even do VT on her million plus properties. Go figure.

    08/22/2007 07:57 PM by Missy Caulk Ann Arbor Real Estate (Keller Williams Ann Arbor, Michigan)


    Tracey... I don't know all of the answers either.  And I've followed TurnHere as well. I LOVE their stuff. TurnHere sets the standard for quality as far as I'm concerned. Those who are like you, who can and will invest in the lighting and professional video editing equipment, and the training required to use them, are the exception to the rule, in my opinion. I think some, not many, will do video. If many do it, the quality expectations will definitely have to be lowered. No question. 

    08/22/2007 08:00 PM by Jeff Turner (Real Estate Shows)


    Missy... I think there is an important place for video in Internet marketing. I'm just not buying that its right for the majority of properties sold in this country. Not when you can get similar or better impact using simpler, more cost effective methods.

    08/22/2007 08:03 PM by Jeff Turner (Real Estate Shows)


    It will be interesting to see where technology takes us.  This reminds me of the Beta / VHS debate years ago...one had superior quality and technical elements, but the other won the marketplace.

    Regardless of which medium you choose, I think you are going to be money ahead if you HIRE A PROFESSIONAL.  (Isn't this the same thing we as REALTORS are trying to teach the sellers out there).  It is faster, easier, and ultimatly more cost effective to hire a professional photographer/videographer.  I am now working with Crystal Freeman of Oregon Home 360 in our area. She is extremely professional and a really nice person.

    Virtual tours (of some flavor) are becoming a "market qualifier" today.  If you aren't doing something along this line, you are costing yourself exposure. 

    I guess the bottom line is...Do SOMETHING!  But if you are going to do it...do it right.

     (Crystal will be on Real Estate Talk this Saturday 8/25 talking about home photography and virtual tours...you can get the mp3 file on line later Saturday evening if you want more info).  I'd be happy to share the link to it if any one is interested.)

     

    08/22/2007 08:04 PM by Dave Pautsch, REALTOR, CRS (Conser Realty & Associates)


    I think your right, virtual tours are pleasing and easy to set up, video, expensive and time consuming, and chances of srewing it multiplied many times over.

    08/22/2007 08:06 PM by Michael Eisenberg, Bellingham Realtor (Fairhaven Realty)


    >But if you're going to do it... do it right.

    Dave, i couldn't agree more.  

    08/22/2007 08:08 PM by Jeff Turner (Real Estate Shows)


    As with any movement or new gadget there is starting or entry point. Of course it's a little expensive and not the best quality. This is a wave, you have to understand the next generation of buyers coming in and meet their demands, wants and desires and video fills that. We are a generation of must have it now, instant gratification. The new generation coming up is even worse. They have lived every moment of their life with technology and know nothing else then instant everything. Why watch a boring virtual tour that makes me feel like I am looking through a fish bowl or an over glorified slideshow, which most can do in their sleep. I think most of them would rather watch a video that hold their attention well shot or not then a virtual tour. It's something that wont be mainstream any time soon but it is coming.

    08/22/2007 08:08 PM by Orlando & Lake Mary Real Estate Expert, Heather Joubran (RE/MAX Central Realty)


    I sell real estate.  I am not a videographer.  I do not write scripts.  It is not the best use of my skills nor my time.  This means that I would need to hire someone to do that for me.

    Unless I had a very unique and very expensive listing, I would not spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on a video.   I can take plenty of photos and put them in a tour that will draw potential buyers to call me or their agent to set up an appointment to see the home.

    My ultimate goal is to expose my listings to as many "eyeballs" as possible and bring the buyers in so that they can experience the home in person.  Videos to me would eliminate more showings than not.

    Time is also of the essence.  It takes me about week to get all of my marketing materials set up and ready to showcase a listing prior to going "live".  I just can't see myself setting aside time to make a good quality video.  I really don't think that it would be a good use of my time nor would it bring a high ROI on most listings.

    08/22/2007 08:08 PM by Pasadena CA Real Estate - Irina Netchaev (Keller Williams International Realty)


    I'm with Missy, we'll have to wait and see how it plays out. I like vitual because they are so simple.

    08/22/2007 08:10 PM by Wayne McMullan Quinte Real Estate (Royal LePage ProAlliance Realty)


    Jeff, even with the equipment and script, it's still very difficult to do a good video as a trained Realtor, but an un-trained on camera personality.  I've been taping for two years and finally I feel like I can be on camera without freaking out.  It's been a long hard upward battle and I'm still mediocre at best.

    But I will tell you that I have made back the money that I've spent on cameras and equipment many times directly from my videos so it's been beyond worth it for me.  I also sell real estate in a $1,000,000 + neighborhood and I think that helps. (a lot!)

    I continue to do video because my results have been excellent and people call me from all over the country because of my videos.  I don't think it will become mainstream because it's not for everyone, just like blogging, so I agree with you.  I just wonder if the expected quality will be lowered, not just in real estate video, all online video?

    I'd love to hear other comments about this subject.  I gave this post a 5 and feature flagged.  I'm getting on a plane now, so I'll have to wait to read the rest of this thread until tomorrow.

    08/22/2007 08:10 PM by Tracey Thomas Calabasas, CA Real Estate (Keller Williams Realty)


    Heather... I think the coming wave wants some form of interactive multimedia experience. Video is one kind. But it's not always the best kind for every home.

    Irina... my point exactly. 

    08/22/2007 08:11 PM by Jeff Turner (Real Estate Shows)


    Personally most of the video's make me dizzy!!  I couldn't even finish watching the sample.  I think people want to see lots of pictures and the virtual tour is a GREAT way to see them.

    08/22/2007 08:12 PM by Marchel Peterson Spring TX Real Estate E-Pro ABR (Results Realty)


    I'm an oddball.  Or, make that a dinosaur.  If I am the consumer, looking for, say an appliance or an automobile, I would much, MUCH, rather look at static photos and read information-rich text, than watch a video.  Video can never deliver the same quality or quantity of information as simple text. (Compare reading a book to watching a movie of the book.)

    Just my 2 cents, which is probably worth zero in today's economy.

    08/22/2007 08:14 PM by Cheryl Johnson, Bob Taylor Properties, Inc., Los Angeles, CA


    Jeff - personally I really prefer to see few, if any, herky-jerky movements, none of the fishbowl effect pictures, etc.  I actually really like a product call Real Estate Shows.  Have you ever heard of them? 

    For the REALTORS who do take good pictures of their listings, and there really are some of us out there contrary to what some seem to believe, this is a great product.  We can add text, music, loads of additional pictures, floorplans, panoramic pictures, etc.  And it just can't be beat for the money!  Oh and dynamic?  You bet it is, instantaneous.

    You really should check out their website.......    www.realestateshows.com

    Ann   ;-)

    08/22/2007 08:19 PM by Portsmouth NH Real Estate ~ Ann Cummings (RE/MAX Coast to Coast - Portsmouth New Hampshire)


     

     

    I'm a video tour provider.

    There are many excellent lessons here if the real estate video folks pay attention to what's being said.  We are fortunate to have people saying the things in these comments that they are likely thinking as they tell you "no" on the phone or in person.  We don't often get the opportunity to see the reasons why customers say, "no", and then have the opportunity to go off and correct as many of the points as possible. 

    As we pointed out in a previous post ( http://activerain.com/blogsview/175544/Why-The-Video-Tour ), sometimes "us video folks" just don't get it. We must make a clear value proposition with video that outweighs the fully burdened cost of video. For instance, one such value proposition would be consistently putting qualified buyers in front of the seller more often in a measurable way. What would a seller or REALTOR pay for that in today's market?  Likely a lot. Is this happening today? no.

    VT does have its weaknesses just like any other approach. However, their industry has had years to fine tune and iron out processes that now make the virtual tour easy, effective, and low cost.  Jeff's company has been a big part of that process. Be assured that virtual tours were not always so attractive or easy. We have the same opportunities to "fix" many of the objections listed above with more runway on the upside.

    I'm actually in support of many of the points written here and look forward to seeing the rest of the series before formally responding.  We think that we have an idea where the value proposition is. Until then, I believe that this post is perhaps the wakeup call that our industry needs.

    View this post as an opportunity...

    Tony

     

     

    08/22/2007 08:24 PM by A. Grey | Vidlisting.com| Real Estate Video Mentor (Vidlisting.com)


    Jeff, great post as usual, you bring out very good points.  I know we must look for what the market has to offer and find ways to help our clients, so I try to look at everything with an open mind.  It's good to have a sounding board like Active Rain to bounce ideas off of and get opinions in other areas of the country.  Active Rain is a great resource.  I watched your video and as other have stated, the jerky movement doesn't appeal to me or others I have talked to.  Video is more difficult to edit and take more time and money to develop like is should.  I think things will get better, but for now, I'm with several others, using virtual tours looks like a better alternative.  Thanks!

    08/22/2007 08:26 PM by David L. Britt, MBA (The Heritage Real Estate Team)


    Hell Jeff, the black and white photograph isn't even dead yet! All your points are valid; each form is another type of marketing and we need to avail ourselves of all of it, not just one form.

    08/22/2007 08:28 PM by Carole Cohen (Howard Hanna Cleveland City Office)


    Great post!

    I don't think video will EVER kill the virtual tour.  I also think that a simple slideshow or even photographs is an absolute necessity on any listing (I actually do both for most of my clients).  A video tour takes it a step further for those who are seriously interested in the property and want to see more, but I think it first starts with good photos. (of course, that's an entirely different story....)

    Expensive?  Yes.  Difficult to do?  Yes.  Time consuming?  Hello????  All of the above, not to mention some heavy duty computing power, expensive equipment and lots of storage (I'm on my 4th terabyte drive!).

    It's definitely NOT for everybody, nor is it for every listing.  But I think it's definitely an alternative presentation of a property, one that is far more captivating then photos can ever be.  But, just as there are a lot of bad photos out there, there is a lot of bad real estate video out there - and I'm sure more is coming!  

    One aspect of video that many people overlook is the benefit to the agent.  These days, every realtor looks the same, has the same sales spiel, the same website (sometimes exactly the same website!), the same marketing plan, the same business cards, etc. etc.  A video tour is one of the few ways of differentiating yourself from 99% of the competition in the eyes of your customer.  Flip up your iPhone or laptop and play a video tour on your listing appointment, and the deal is as good as doneConsumers respond to video in a big way - more than Realtors do! And at least right now, it's almost guaranteed that nobody came to the listing presentation with a video tour!

    Personally I try and play it safe with my tours....  and don't encourage agents to be on camera.  it's definitely a skill, and I don't think most Realtors on camera add much to the presentation.  In fact, I see many of these stilted Realtors in their video and just groan - probably not the intended reaction!  I've narrated most of my tours myself (and was a theatre major in college, so probably better at it than most), and I just gave it up and hired professionals to do the voice-overs.  I think you have to know your limits, and most realtors belong selling houses, not in front of the camera! 

    I also know, after working with Realtors for many years, that most don't like to spend much money in marketing.  So in that regard, I don't think a good video tour will ever be 'cheap', and probably will always remain more of a niche marketing tool. 

    08/22/2007 08:32 PM by Fred Light - Real Estate Video Tours (Nashua Web Design | Nashua Video Tours)


    Jeff,

    Replace no, used by some obviously. It's just one more of many tools in the took-kit as far as I'm concerned.

     Personally I've used them in the past, but not the most recent 3/4 years. I just didn't like the way they were turning out for some reason. I felt the homes were not being showcased in the best possible light, which was my whole purpose in the beginning. At this point I'd rather use a visual/photo tour.

     

    08/22/2007 08:34 PM by Orange Co. Real Estate~Lynda Eisenmann, Broker-Owner, Brea, CA (Preferred Home Brokers)


    I just watched that WellcomeMat video this afternoon. I was thinking the same thing. The lighting and the shots were horrible. I don't know why they didn't just hire a videographer from their own site.

    08/22/2007 08:42 PM by Lisa Hill (Daytona Beach REALTOR®) (Adams Cameron and Company)


    Interesting - I sent an article today to our team web guru, mainly about e book publishing but the last paragraph talked about videos and how one home sold from its You Tube posting. Amy e-mailed me back making almost the same points you did - cost, expertise, etc.

    A supplement for well chosen homes? Yes. A replacement for visual tours and/or photographs? Not likely. I don't even like the 360s - nor do most of my clients. 

    08/22/2007 08:46 PM by Sharon Simms St Pete Florida CRS CIPS CLHMS (RE/MAX Metro)


    I use photo's and add music to create a virtual tour video. Very cost effective (If you use a mac) and the nice Ken Burns effect makes it visually interesting. Realtor.com now has "video" beta and I have been posting them there as well as my site (but I hate youtube's quality)

    www.CarlGuild.com

    Realtor.com Example (Click Video) 

     

    08/22/2007 09:09 PM by Carl Guild - Central Connecticut Real Estate (Prudential Connecticut Realty)


    I absolutely agree with you about the cost of video.  I just consulted with a video expert and didn't feel I could justify her costs.  Photos are working just fine for me right now.

    08/22/2007 09:36 PM by Diane Bell, Hilton Head Real Estate, Bluffton (Charter 1 Real Estate, Hilton Head, Bluffton, SC)


    Marchel... the goal is to get the phone to ring. Period.

    Cheryl... I think there are many who would agree with your perspective on this. Many. 

    08/22/2007 09:51 PM by Jeff Turner (Real Estate Shows)


    Ann.. I've never heard of them.

    08/22/2007 09:52 PM by Jeff Turner (Real Estate Shows)


    Jeff, Allow me to bring a unique perspective into the mix. In a former life, I owned a video production company.  We shot everything in a production studio that my partner and I designed. Even in the "controlled environment" and almost 100K in equipment, it was still difficult to capture "emotion."  I think it really comes down to the tools. A SLR camera and a "fast" lens can create that shallow depth of field and strong emotion. You almost have to have a film camera to do the same in video. 

    08/22/2007 09:58 PM by Brad Carroll - Real Estate Web Designer (Dakno Marketing)


    Tony... in the post you linked, you said...

    "For instance,  I've read a number of blog posts with interest recently around the differences of video vs. virtual tours. In most cases, the video tour providers argue points such as the following: (these are each actual examples)

    - you can't see the dog's tail wagging or tree leaves blowing in the wind.

    - You can't see the shooter and camera moving... and then turning back towards the entrance

    I've never seen a virtual tour respond to *any* of these blog posts or even really to any of the arguments made; one or two probably have somewhere but more likely they simply don't need to respond. "

    I read the same posts you did, and at least one of them was directed specifically at me. That's the only reason we felt we needed to respond. But, that said, it was enlightening for me, as it was for you. Your post is excellent, by the way. You know I am a big fan of good video. Too often, as you say, there is not a clear value proposition laid out and that's one of the things we're going to try to accomplish.

     Of course VT has it's weaknesses. I can point out my own flaws as well as the next.  There is a place for both.

    Thank you for taking the time to comment at such length. 

     

    08/22/2007 09:59 PM by Jeff Turner (Real Estate Shows)


    Craig Shiller----- B I N G O!!!!!! It absolutely freaks me out when i see some photos of homes that some realtors provide. Worse than that, my MLS is full of photoless listings!!! SHAME!

    08/22/2007 10:01 PM by Dave Sulvetta - Camden County NJ Realtor (Century 21 Hearst)


    David and Carol... there is room for and a need for each of the media types available for your marketing. I agree.

     

    08/22/2007 10:02 PM by Jeff Turner (Real Estate Shows)


    Fred... you're also one of the guys I'd point to as "getting it." I've visited your site many times and the people in your area are lucky to have you there to service their needs.

    I think all of your points are valid. The points you make about agent differentiation play a role in establishing the criteria for a measurable value proposition. And, like you, I believe Realtors should be spending their time in front of clients, not in front of the camera. 

    08/22/2007 10:08 PM by Jeff Turner (Real Estate Shows)


    We had a guy come to our sales meeting to talk about video tours. The one he showed us was so cut up and the cost to do these was outrageous. Same goes for that one up there....saw nothing really good...same cut up chopped up stuff...guy at least could have taken some acting lessons...and maybe one day it'll be a hit when the kinks are worked out....like those camera guys for movies with the rolly things so it's smooth looking video...what do you think?

     I think I'll stick to RES ...that was it's still moving and it has the best shots that I took and hey...lookie all the stuff you're coming out with....

    I wonder if it's like buying pc stuff. It's expensive when they first come out...later on price comes down. (When the LCD screen first came out my 15" Sony was almost 800 dollars! Now I have a 19" and it was about third the cost)

    08/22/2007 10:08 PM by Celeste "SALLY" Cheeseman (RA), Hawaii Real Estate & Hawaii Relocation (Century 21 Liberty Homes -Mililani, Hawaii)


    Lynda... like 360 tours, a video not shot well can actually steer otherwise interested parties away from a house they might love.

    Sharon... very interesting timing. The planets must be aligned just right. :) 

    08/22/2007 10:10 PM by Jeff Turner (Real Estate Shows)


    Carl... if only everyone used a MAC. The world would be a better place. :)

    Diane... it all boils down to ROI. We're going to be talking about that a lot more. 

    08/22/2007 10:12 PM by Jeff Turner (Real Estate Shows)


    Brad... I did not know that about your background. Very interesting. As with anything, garbage in - garbage out. You said, "A SLR camera and a "fast" lens can create that shallow depth of field and strong emotion. You almost have to have a film camera to do the same in video." I couldn't agree more. I've seen some amazing Real Estate Shows using this quality of photography. The photos, movement and music combined to create drama that words could not have created. 

    08/22/2007 10:15 PM by Jeff Turner (Real Estate Shows)


    Dave... bingo is right.

    Celeste... there is always going to be a human element to video production that will keep the costs relatively high. I think Fred Light pointed that out above. But you're lucky... you've got amazing scenery to work with. :) 

    08/22/2007 10:17 PM by Jeff Turner (Real Estate Shows)


    Jeff,

    You have to do a cost benefit analysis for any marketing used to sell something.  Poor quality anything whether it be photos, virtual tours, or video, will probably hurt more than help. 

    For a few hundred dollars to buy a good digital camera and time spent practicing the average person can take good quality photos. 

    If you search REALLY HARD you can find a good virtual tour product for about a hundred bucks a year for an unlimited number of tours. 

    Good quality videos are going to cost quite a bit for each video. 

    For most properties the cost benefit analysis does not justify the cost at this point in time.  That could change in the future but for right now it will be the exceptional property that justifies the expense of a well produced video. 

    Until then, I will take a ton of photos and use the best one to post to the MLS and make a good quality virtual tour for every listing since the cost investment is very low and the return is almost as high as with the video.

     

    08/22/2007 10:22 PM by Rita Taylor | Sanford NC Real Estate & Homes for Sale in Sanford North Carolina (ERA Ammons Realty in Sanford, NC)


    If the person behind the camera is not careful everything is jerky and will make suffer from motion sickness.  I tell a better story with a camera than I co with  a camcorder.

    08/22/2007 10:22 PM by Vicky Poe, Realtor/Apprentice Auctioneer (Realty 1 Group)


    Rita... you make excellent points!

    Vicky... shooting good video is hard, bottom line. That's why good videographers deserve every penny they make. It is an art.

    08/22/2007 10:32 PM by Jeff Turner (Real Estate Shows)


    Jeff,

    The power of video (if done properly) could be a very powerful tool and we are just in the beginning stages of things to come. As far as expense, I think one only has to spend a little time on YouTube to see some great work being done with only a simple camera with video cabability. Like websites, it's a work in progress and something not to be ignored.

    I think of one particular importance that could be showcased with video is the ability to show the personality of the actual real estate agent -- done properly this could be very beneficial (or detrimental). A big benefit of blogging over a plain website is the ability to show off some personality instead of a dry website.... blogs today are far superior then when they first started up... due to experience and progress.

    I don't know about other people who might actually take the time to read this, but we know real estate agents with fantastic personalities that sell a lot of real estate simply because people like them....

    Video is not going to be for everybody... but for some, it's going to be a very, very powerful tool.

     

    08/22/2007 10:37 PM by Paul Francis, Broker,ABR,CRS | Barrington Illinois Real Estate (Suburban Village Realty)


    Paul and Michelle... for showing off people's personalities, nothing beats video. NOTHING. I said that several times during the video panel at Inman. If the goal is to show your personality, then you better do a video. And I know some Realtors with amazing, engaging personalities, that would be scared stiff in front of a camera. It's not for everyone. But you're 100% right, for some it's going to be a very, very powerful tool.

    You can't say the same thing about a house. You can definitely capture the personality of a house without video.

    08/22/2007 10:43 PM by Jeff Turner (Real Estate Shows)


    Jeff -- I think you raise important points.  I definately don't see video killing the virtual tour.  I also think my New Hampshire colleague Fred Light is correct.  There are only going to be certain listings under certain circumstances where the video is appropriate.  Personally, I think good quality pictures that accurately depcit the property are the most important thing --

    08/22/2007 10:44 PM by Joan Whitebook, ABR, e-Pro, CEBA (Buyer's Option Realty Services)


    Jeff - since you brought it up - I'll put examples of a Real Estate Show (I agree with Ann btw....you should check them out!)  and a video tour.

    The whole purpose of this is definitely experimental - as Realtors it is our responsibility to think outside the box and to find different ways to market our listings and getting them sold.  Every property needs to be displayed differently....what's the right answer?

    http://www.realestateshows.com/189909

    http://www.vidlisting.com/player/videopage.asp?vid=sdhkfsd&t=v

    ***things to point out - the video tour was provided in 3 different languages and populated Internationally (that was a big plus in my book).

    ***as for appearing in my own video as the host and walking you through the property.....I think I may have to try that one, it's a fun idea.

    08/22/2007 10:45 PM by Rick & Ines - Miami Shores Real Estate (Coldwell Banker)


    Joan... combine good quality photos with evocative writing and appropriate interaction and you've got something just as effective.

    08/22/2007 10:46 PM by Jeff Turner (Real Estate Shows)


    Just as the battle goes for the levels of service provide by real estate companies... Discount Brokers to Exquisite Luxury homes Brokers.  There is a place for everyone. Every customer has a choice and every Realtor has the tool available.   I can't see the expense of a full blown video production on an average home. 

    Applaud you on a nice thread topic...I don't think I have ever seen such full comments on a blog before.

    And you should really check into www.RealEstateShows.com I heard the MFIC is pretty cool.

    08/22/2007 10:47 PM by Bob Carney Licensed MD/PA Real Estate Agent (Long & Foster Real Estate, Inc.)


    Ines... you and I have talked about this a bit. In the end, it comes down to results. Tony, who did your video, says the same thing. For your market, what Tony did by getting the voice over in three languages makes so much sense to me. There are many International buyers looking at Miami and I'd use both, if I were you. You are you and you did use both, so I guess I'd have made the right decision. :)

    08/22/2007 10:51 PM by Jeff Turner (Real Estate Shows)


    Bob... i think that's part of the point here. There is a place for everyone who can provide quality tools and service. MFIC? Have you been hanging out on MySpace again?

    08/22/2007 10:53 PM by Jeff Turner (Real Estate Shows)


    Jeff - but going beyond the languages, I think there is an important point that needs to be discussed.  There are people that will be bothered by the length of the video, by the voice and by other details (like the toilet paper exposed in the master bathroom........go ahead....go look at the video again).

    My intent is to expose the listing not only to International buyers, but to different types of buyers as well, some are visual, som auditory......some will hate both.  Is there a right way and wrong way and how can we as professionals determine what will work for a certain listing.

    08/22/2007 10:55 PM by Rick & Ines - Miami Shores Real Estate (Coldwell Banker)


    Ah, the power of text. I can sense Jeff's passion for the points he has typed into this post. There's no mistaking his thorough understanding of his product. I think the power of text, simple emotional text, coupled with fantastic listing photographs, creates an impression on viewers. Video adds a person's voice, and that voice can distract, annoy and complicate the process for viewers. 

     

    08/22/2007 10:57 PM by Sue Argue - NH Home Stager (Staged First Impressions)


    Well put Jeff...I compare this same idea that video will take over virtual tours to those that create a new real estate marketing site that is going to dominate the way real estate is sold. I can't tell you how much was written about Sellsious when it came on the scene.  I was not a proponent of Sellsious and I have spoken to 3 Realtors that posted their listings on Sellsious several months after all the hype on Active Rain and not one of them had received not even one lead. The propoents of Sellsious talked like it was the next best thing to the creation of the world wide web!  Same thing with Zillow.  I listed a home on Zillow and 6 months later I had one hit from Zillow to my website...MY OWN!  Proponets of video can say all they want.  You made some strong and valid points. 

    08/22/2007 11:38 PM by Boise Idaho Real Estate - George Tallabas (RE/MAX Advantage)


    Ines... there are some sound behavior reasons why going past 60 seconds, without a compelling story, is a bad idea. We're going to talk about that as well. More is seldom better, unless the more can captivate you. We have short attention spans. 

    Sue...  voice over is tricky as well. That's an entire subject in and of itself. So true.

    George... thanks. You make some interesting points that lead this in an entirely new direction. How about a post from you on that? 

    08/22/2007 11:51 PM by Jeff Turner (Real Estate Shows)


    Glad we agree. Not the entire world will have to be done in video. There is still room for quality virtual tours and sill shots.

    08/23/2007 12:13 AM by Bob & Carolin Benjamin - E Phoenix Arizona Real Estate (The Benjamin Team - Keller Williams Integrity First Realty )


    That's the number I was looking for Jeff - you are THE master of detail!  60 seconds!  Dig you guys here that!!!!?????

    So I guess the whole ordeal of camera man....editting....voice overs....for 60 seconds.  HMMMMM (I think I ran out of dot dot dots)

    08/23/2007 12:18 AM by Rick & Ines - Miami Shores Real Estate (Coldwell Banker)


    That's the number I was looking for Jeff - you are THE master of detail!  60 seconds!  Dig you guys hear that!!!!?????

    So I guess the whole ordeal of camera man....editting....voice overs....for 60 seconds.  HMMMMM (I think I ran out of dot dot dots)

    08/23/2007 12:18 AM by Rick & Ines - Miami Shores Real Estate (Coldwell Banker)


    Jeff - We have an agent in the office who actually purchased his our HD Video equipment and is doing his own vids himself.  His brother-in-law is a pro cameraman and there vids are much better than this.  It is a great tool for listings but the cost of purchasing the equipment is more than i can even imagine that i would want to spend.  I still believe in the VT as a great tool and by no means think that vids can or will replace a good VT.

    08/23/2007 12:21 AM by Joe Zapata - Your Burbank Real Estate Expert (Windermere Real Estate / Bill Toth)


    Now now guys...the video being used to make Jeff's arguments valid is a perfect meatball, pop-fly, toss up, lob pitch.  Phil and I shot this video in literally five minutes, with a cab waiting in the driveway to take us to the Inman event (where we were to present this very same video).  Should you hire a videographer? Absolutely.  Jeff took his WellcomeMat video from this blog post (maybe context helps?), and decided not to include the clickable chapters:

    http://realestatevideo.wellcomemat.com/2007/08/17/just-how-hard-is-it-to-shoot-your-own-video-tour/

    Hey Jeff...well done.  We owe you one you xsfdfiwnclanmd!  Love you man!  Let the debate rage on and the numbers speak for themselves.  You can count on WellcomeMat bringing it.  Yes, photos are easier/less expensive, but I wonder why someone decided to string (or interlace) images to make motion pictures?  I wonder why QVC & HSN lean so heavily on video salemanship?  I wonder why TV overtook all other mediums and left radio/print in the dust? What of infomercials?  We don't make the choice of what medium wins...the viewers/web users do.   

     

     

    08/23/2007 12:22 AM by Christian Sterner


    Thank you for this great post! I've noticed a lot of people experimenting with video not just real estate agents, but also bloggers! Video will not "take over the world" in any profession though people that would make money from it might want us all to believe that. :).

    Thanks for the information and insight.

    08/23/2007 12:30 AM by Pamela Williamson St.Louis, Missouri Real Estate (Hall Realty Group, LLC)


    Christian... I know you'll bring it. :) I'm hoping so.

    I can find a hundred videos to use as an example for this post's purpose, so I don't think most of the comments here are responding to your video, but the majority of videos they've seen in general. As for it being a lob, well that's the lob you tossed out when you said...  "I defy anyone to show me how a few photos or VT could provide this type of A, interactivity and B, storyline. People buy stories NO