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Understanding Short Sale Decisions

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Understanding Short Sale Decisions  "I love hardball... until they learn that short sales can save them

[the bank] money, they are just going to keep losing..."  Wrong!  I responded. The banks know!

So went the comment just over a year ago.

Well I too love hardball! I love knowing more about how things work than my opponent. I love winning for my client!

Respectfully, most people and very few Agents have any idea what the banks have to consider before accepting a short sale.

Banks face absurd regulation with regards to foreclosures and REO's.

Banks face absurd political pandering. Government programs and pronouncements implying consumer entitlements, but providing no such mandate!

Banks face absurd public ideas of what the bank nets on a foreclosure or REO sale! It gets even more absurd and confusing when there is PMI or FHA insurance involved! PMI and FHA pale in confusion with a VA guarantees!

Then there are the subordinate loans, if a bank forecloses they don't have to worry about subordinate loans.

If the bank settles with the debtor (accepts a short sale) they may throw a bone to the subordinates, but they rightfully see every dollar paid a subordinate as coming out of their pocket.

If the buyer offers to pay subordinate lenders, the second et. al. the bank rightfully again sees that as a higher sales price and more of their money.

The bail out money was never meant to aid the individual debtor! This money wasn't extended out of concern for the debtors, but rather to maintain the system and size control there of.

(More absurd political pandering, there is nothing wrong with a bank failure, no matter how big! Since the Great Depression the FDIC has protected depositors. It wasn't meant to save stock holders for they lose all or most of their equity eather way, the same as if the bank had failed. This money was used to take control with out using the word "Nationalizing!" Just like and no more honorable or honest than a third world dictator!)

We don't know what the bank nets! We only know the sale price, and the net proceeds to the bank on the HUD-1. The bank knows what PMI, FHA, or the VA will pay in addition to the net from a short sale.

The bank knows that PMI, FHA, or VA are not obligated to pay any thing when the bank settles!

The bank knows what how much PMI, FHA, or VA will settle with them for and how much they are obligated for if the bank should foreclose.

The bank also knows state law and if the debtor is collectible!

The bank also knows all those pesky regulations, none of which make much sense, some of which are nothing short of draconian! Little things like the bank can't operate single family residential properties, SFR, defined as one to four family housing units. (This is why banks don't rent SFR's, but do operate apartment projects.)

A bank simply can not judge an offer by the sale price alone.

All of this may be mute! Remember those subordinate mortgages! They are held by banks too! And, they're being ask to take a near total loss! Additionally, there may be other liens! In a short sale no one is obligated to take a loss! If the bank chooses to foreclose they don't have to worry about subordinate lenders or liens and they get the full benefit from any PMI, FHA, or VA!

As I said:  I love hardball! I love knowing more about how things work than my opponent. I love winning for my clients!

 

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Bill

William J Archambault Jr

The Real Estate Investment Institute

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Comments(8)

Harry F. D'Elia III
WEDO Real Estate and Beyond, LLC - Phoenix, AZ
Investor , Mentor, GRI, Radio, CIPS, REOs, ABR

Banks have to play hard ball in order to move these homes. Just my input today

Aug 17, 2010 05:13 AM
William J. Archambault, Jr.
The Real Estate Investment Institute - Houston, TX

Harry,

I always like input!

Thanks.

Bill

Aug 17, 2010 05:18 AM
George Souto
George Souto NMLS #65149 FHA, CHFA, VA Mortgages - Middletown, CT
Your Connecticut Mortgage Expert

Bill this is excellent.  Most Realtors only look at it from the side of the Homeowner, but it isn't a cake walk on the Bank side either.

Aug 17, 2010 10:33 AM
William J. Archambault, Jr.
The Real Estate Investment Institute - Houston, TX

George,

Thanks.

Bankers have a fiduciary obligation to the bank not the debtor. So many rant about whats good for the bank, but so few understand any thing beyond the HUD-1.

Secondary lenders and suborned lien holders have little reason to co-operate. That they do co-operate is only for the bones thrown their way or just to avoid hassle.

"a cake walk on the Bank side" I'd say more like musical chairs!

Bill

Aug 17, 2010 10:53 AM
Dave Halpern
Dave Halpern Real Estate Agent, Inc., Louisville, KY (502) 664-7827 - Louisville, KY
Louisville Short Sale Expert

Banks turn down short sale offers, take it all the way to auction and let it go for less than the short sale offer. Wish I could figure that out.

Aug 18, 2010 02:33 AM
William J. Archambault, Jr.
The Real Estate Investment Institute - Houston, TX

Dave,

That's what I'm saying. We don't know what the bank nets! If they had PMI, FHA or VA they have to pay the full amount to the bank in the event of a forecloser! If the bank accepts a short sale PMI, FHA or VA don't have to pay anything, but offen agree to settle for the same reason the banks do, to save money!

Three other points:        

More offen than not at the "auction" the bank is the buyer and the property becomes  an REO!

Just because the debtor doesn't make a PMI payment doesn't mean the mortgage wasn't insured!

Many banks bought mortgages with Federal guarantees, that can add thousands to their net.

Only the bank knows what any given transaction will yield them.

Bill

Aug 18, 2010 11:49 AM
Jason Sardi
Auto & Home & Life Insurance throughout North Carolina - Charlotte, NC
Your Agent for Life

Bill - It's quite easy to always take the side of the consumer.  It's quite easy to blame the banks.  It's quite easy to not do the homework on how things actually work.  Two ears, two eyes, one mouth ... I try to use them accordingly.  I figure it's for the the best;)

Aug 20, 2010 02:32 AM
William J. Archambault, Jr.
The Real Estate Investment Institute - Houston, TX

Jason,

Sadly that's true. But, first you have to substitute compassion for logic!

Bill

Aug 26, 2010 09:47 AM