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I just HAD to ask!

I saw this on yesterday, and I think that maybe I have been trying to convince myself that I didn't see it. I just wanted to know if all had heard about it and what, if anything, you thought about it.

I was flipping channels during lunch on yesterday and happened upon an episode of As the World Turns, a show that I no longer watch, even though I used to be a die-hard fan back in the days. Just so happens that I turned to it just in time to catch part of an intimate conversation between two guys that ended in a kiss...that's right folks, two men kissing on daytime television.

Does anybody out there think that we have gone too far, as a society... in which this is okay?

Posted by Gwendolyn Wright-Victory Virtual Solutions on 08/21/2007 06:19 PM

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Post is included in group: Christianity and Real Estate

47 Comments on I just HAD to ask!

AUG

2007

DON'T BE AFRAID TO JUST SAY WHAT YOU THINK...OPINIONS ARE LIKE HEADS...EVERYONE HAS ONE!

Because my sister is the editor at large of Soap Opera Digest, I have to respond with respect, Gwendolyn- Soaps take every current event (that has made it into the mainstream) and present it with a bit more DRAMA than might be neccessary. Nonetheless, headlines, life, tragedies (I watched a Soap that had...a Tsunami...a laugh out loud episode of absurdity in Michigan). All angles are explored!

Are you really sure you want to ask? Let's see... two consenting adults. Sharing a kiss. Sounds OK to me.

Cheers,

David Swierczynski

Good post David. I agree, do we have TOO much love in the world? I guess like so many things, if you're a man, and don't think kissing a man is ok... then don't do it...

David, ditto- but do the Soaps have to have the unrealistic view? I haven't had a kiss like those shown since I was sixteen. They are over the top...Sorry, Lynn( my sister)! And Gwendolyn, I guess "art" imitates life (with a bit more creative license).

Wow, I'm pretty amazed that you would be offended by two people sharing a kiss. Would it have been any different for it to have been a man & a woman? Two men sharing a kiss is real & I don't see anything wrong with it - whether or not I care to partake in it is my own right - but having a problem with what others do is really silly to me as long they are not hurting you or someone else.

Thanks to all of you for your input. I just wanted to see what the concensus would be. I know that when polls of this nature are taken, the most passionate about the subject matter are typically the ones to respond.

The one personal reply I feel is warranted is to be directed to Susan. I did not say whether I was OFFENDED or not, I simply indicated that it was unexpected...I have never seen that before on SOAPS. You obviously have a strong opinion about the subject matter...what I find silly is putting words into someone else's mouth. We can state our opinions while being respectful.

I purposefully did not state my opinion previously, but I think that as a society, we are constantly relaxing our standards- to the point that we are just allowing anything to go on around us. Whether or not we like it or even choose to acknowledge it, we PAY dearly for this.

AUG

2007

Wow, I am definitely not a soap watcher and I don't think that was the real question. I had to double check and make sure I went into the correct group after reading everyones responses. Are we O.K. with the CRAP that is on TV these days? As parents are we teaching our kids that this is O.k.

is it god on sunday and whatever the rest of the week?

bible.org: Homosexuality: The Christian Perspective

Matt'

Thank you for not being afraid to speak the truth. Homosexuality is wrong the bible says so period. Have we as Christians really forgotten the word to such a degree that we really have no problem with that. I pray not.

Gwendolyn,

Yes, we have gone to far as a society. No, it is not okay. No, I wouldn't want to see to men kissing. If we, as society keep letting these things slip by, then we, as society are saying they are okay. My opinion.

Matt, Hugh, Armando, & Tereciah,

Thank you all for your comments. I wanted to ask this question of the larger group because I wanted to see if people who were not necessarily Christians, would think that we are just becoming too "laxed" and that this was a problem. I didn't really even bring up the immorality of homosexuality into it as you stated Matt, but focused more on the reality of having two men kissing in the middle of the day on a major network. I wanted to see if people, not necessarily Christians, would recognize that we are in big trouble with the things that we are putting our stamp of approval on-simply by being silent.

Not to belabor this discussion, but some of us who "are Christians", have husbands or wifes, and also have a slightly different view than some of the rest of the "Christians".

My little voice is telling me that this is a discussion that I should probably just stay out of. I'm not likely to change the minds of those who condem people for being the way God created them. But I have grown weary of those who claim the moral high ground on behalf of all "Christians".

I know that there are many Christians who believe that "Love one another" was one of the big rules to follow. And it seems like somewhere I read something about "judge not...."

Love and light, and a great big non-sexual hug and kiss on the cheek to all. :)

Eric, I do agree that we are called to love one another as we do ourselves. I will not try to pretend that this is an easy thing to do. I do as a general rule, try to be respectful of everyone that I encounter and to let my light shine in such a way that God will be glorified.

1Cr 5:9	I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people-
1Cr 5:10	not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world.
1Cr 5:11	But now I am writing you that you *must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother* but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. *With such a man do not even eat.*
1Cr 5:12	What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
1Cr 5:13	*God will judge those outside*. "Expel the wicked man from among you."[fn2]

1Cr 6:9	Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
1Cr 6:10	nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Is this scripture pertinent?

Eric, I am with Gwendolyn on her last post. I am not a hater nor am I condeming anyone, who am I to judge. However, God's word tells us to have compasion for one another. We all answer to him.

read this passage from 1 Cor
http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=1+Corinthians+6%3A9&version1=51

Passage 1 Corinthians 6 : (NIV)

Sexual Immorality

¹²"Everything is permissible for me"-but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"-but I will not be mastered by anything. ¹³"Food for the stomach and the stomach for food"-but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. ¹⁴By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also. ¹⁵Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! ¹⁶Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh."^[b] ¹⁷But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit.

¹⁸Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. ¹⁹Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; ²⁰you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.

Enough said.

Gwen,

You should have known that you would SOME kind of response from pro gay/lesbian real estate professionals if you posted this into the general network.........

I agree with the rest of the Christians..... the people that are not Christioans do not know about or may not endose chastity, monogamy, "straight" sexual relations or sex only after marriage as opposed to having sex before marriage.

The issue I saw was NOT with any of that....BUT with the situation of showing a gay relationship on daytime TV.....

I thought the FCC did great with the Janet Jackson issue during the Super Bowl, AND with Howard Stern and others like him....but...when did THIS get by them?

=-/

But Alexander, I'm a Christian too!!! I just don't share your exact view of the world.

We live in a very diverse world. I again suggest that rather than trying to REQUIRE that the world conform to YOUR view of it, if you don't like a movie... don't watch it. If you object to what's on a particular TV show... change the channel....

You do not have the right to require that everything YOU find objectionable be removed from the market. Because if you have that right so do I, and I bet you'd not be happy with some of the things that I find objectionable.

You do have the right to control what YOU and your family view, see, believe... but I have that same right for me and my family.

I guess it's only natural that anyone who doesn't walk in lock step get's a label of being pro-gay... I guess if it's the label that comes by having an open mind/heart, understanding that it's not up to me one way or the other, then it's a label I will proudly wear.

My wife and kids will join me with their labels proudly on their lapels too!

PEACE!

If you love Jesus and have devoted your life to serving God, EVERYTHING THAT GOD FINDS DISTASTEFUL, YOU WILL ALSO COME TO RESENT! If you are lukewarm, ask the Lord to stir up HIS fire within you. God says to love everyone but we do NOT have to ACCEPT their lifestyles ESPECIALLY if they are contrary to the Word of God. Please, review your passive stance on Christianity. Jesus doesn't need us lukewarm.

Gwendolyn,

I did not put words in your mouth nor was I in any way disrespectful in my reply. You, as does everyone, have a right to your opinion. You obviously find this 'anti christian' and that's why you wrote about it. I know that there are scriptures pointing to homosexuality in the Bible & if thats the book you believe you should be aware of other scripture within the book as well. There are many passages about NOT JUDGING and LOVING EVERYONE too. God will be the judge, it is not up to us.

Many Christians tend to like to take passages out of the Bible (often time out of context) & make them fit whatever they are feeling at the moment.

The Bible is open to iinterpretation & has been translated so many times that we cannot know the exact meaning of each passage.

And to those who want to automatically throw those of us who disagree into a 'non christian' category should worry more about themselves & quit judging others.

Yes, I totally agree that our society as a whole is more tolerant than ever but in many respects this is a good thing. We should focus more on the people out there harming others, not those showing affection to each other in a tv show or in real life.

Again, thank you all for your input. I did expect to receive comments from those who were and were not Christians...that was my intent. See, even before I was saved, I would not have thought that this was okay to see men kissing on daytime television! The Super Bowl issue came to my mind quickly Brotha Alex, because there were swift outcries for action and that was handled quickly and very publicly. Now, what 2 years after the country cried down the inappropriateness of a pop performance that showed a woman's decorated breast, two men are kissing on a major network during the day?

What is surprising is that the conversation has quickly gone to Christianity and homosexuality...the initial post however did not speak of either, but was more about sensorship...the same kind of (oops!) censorship that assures that our children would no longer witness any "wardrobe malfunctions" on live television.

And again to Susan, I did not write this just because it is anti-christian, but I found it shocking and had to stop for a minute and say, "Wow, when did this become okay?" The fact that I am a Christian and the immorality of homosexuality are a whole other post. This dialogue shows just how unaware we are about the impact of our LACK OF (oopps!)CENSORSHIP and how much it really is "harming us as a society!"

If we stand for nothing, we fall for anything!

AUG

2007

Last post for me! I promise.

I guess we have to agree to disagree. I certainly respect your right to believe anything you would like to believe. For me, censorship is not the answer. Who gets to decide what needs to be censored? There are important dialogues that would never take place if what a portion of society finds unacceptable was not out there. And what is there that SOMEONE isn't offended by?

For me, two men kissing.... whatever. I don't seek it out on TV or in the movies, but if it's there, it's not a big deal. I am offended by senseless, graphic violence, much of what appears on reality tv, and many of the media pundits. HOWEVER, I would not want any of them silenced.

The whole concept of censorship troubles me greatly. WHO gets to decide? You? Me? The Government? None of those seem like good alternatives.

Even though our country was established on Christian principles, not everyone is Christian. Some are Jewish, some are Muslim, some are Hindu, some are Budhist, some are or are not believers of any kind. Even among each group there are the full range of very conservative to very liberal. We all have the SAME RIGHTS.

I did not see in anyone's responses to your original post, acknowledgment that the any writer was not Christian. Yet you seem to, in your last post separate those who have entered this discussion into Christian and non-Christian. Is that a division based on "those who share my exact beliefs are Christian" everyone else is non-Christian (and therefore probably wrong)?

As I've read this thread, and participated in it, I've had great misgivings. Realizing that what I am adding to the commentary is not likely to change how you (and those who believe as you do) think, and there is likely nothing you will say that will change the way I think.

So what is the point of my posting?? Because many who define themselves as Christian appear to believe that what they believe is the ONLY way to be Christian. The trend appears to be that the conservative Christians perpetuate the myth that the way they believe is the ONLY WAY and that ALL CHRISTIANS believe as they do. Fearing being labeled non-Christian, those of us with more moderate views smile and nod and say nothing.

That doesn't seem to be working so well. Because if there is no discourse, if the moderate (and yes, even liberal Christians) don't enter the discussion, the world believes everyone believes what the conservative Christians claim that ALL CHRISTIANS believe.

Blessings to you all. I would never interfere with your right to believe anything you choose to believe, nor your right to INTERPRET the Bible in any way that you like. Know however that there are many many Christians who share your sincere belief in God, but don't share the exact beliefs that you share. There's room for all of us to work together to make the world a more peaceful wonderful place.

I think our battle should not be among ourselves...it should be against satan.

He is the one we should be watching out for.

He is the one that relishes, enjoys and lives for this type of disharmony among us...

We should always do what his word tells us to do such as,

Dear brothers and sisters, if another Christian is overcome by some sin, you who are godly should gently and humbly help that person back onto the right path. And be careful not to fall into the same temptation yourself. Gal 6:1

The only way we can know what God really wants from us is to continue to seek more understanding. And the only place we can be sure of getting the truth is from his word, the scriptures.

I've seen people who have disagreed vehemently, come to an accord after studying the word together.

We must not drift apart as satan would like, we must come together in situations and times such as these.

May God Bless you all !!!

Praise the Lord, cause we know he'll prevail, he has said so!

Eric.... to respond to your original comment about my views.....

I NEVER said anything about You being or not being Christian Eric....... in fact I did not even mention You by name at all......Here is the comment I made, pasted for everyone to see (you can scroll up to see it):

"Gwen,

You should have known that you would SOME kind of response from pro gay/lesbian real estate professionals if you posted this into the general network.........

I agree with the rest of the Christians..... the people that are not Christians do not know about or may not endorse chastity, monogamy, "straight" sexual relations or sex only after marriage as opposed to having sex before marriage.

The issue I saw was NOT with any of that....BUT with the situation of showing a gay relationship on daytime TV.....

I thought the FCC did great with the Janet Jackson issue during the Super Bowl, AND with Howard Stern and others like him....but...when did THIS get by them?"

I highlighted the part of the post that was the most important and I feel pertinent to the point I was trying to make, not the one chosen by you, Eric........

Now where ever did I say that anyone WAS or WAS NOT a Christian?

As to your commenting on people who are Christians believing that what THEY believe MUST be the ONLY way to Heaven:

The Word of God is specific on this....THAT is the standard to look at for conduct and lifestyle...... not weather someone is a "Liberal" or "Conservative" Christian..... I do not have to stick up for it...it stands all by its self just fine thank you very much...the Holy Spirit sticks up for it -- The Spirit of Truth........

They Word is Truth, oh Lord." Spoken by Jesus -- John 17:17

=-)

I agree that we must approach the gay/lesbian person with Gods love; THAT is how they are won into the Kingdom...NOT by pointing fingers and judging their lifestyle.

90% of people who become Christian are won into the Kingdom by FRIENDS/RELATIVES they know, TRUST, respect and have a loving God honoring relationship with. The bulk of people won into the kingdom of God are NOT won by the Benny Hinns, Oral Roberts, Rob Parsley, Pat Robertsons if this world...they are won by people who LOVE them with the Savior Jesus' love, period....end of story....

I hope you will agree with that, Eric and Susan M.

I will NEVER condemn the gay lifestyle.... BUT I will not condone it either...... I will go by what the bible says....

I am sorry to dissagree with you, Susan...the Bible has stood for thousands of years.... unchanged in the original Hebrew and Greek...... YES people HAVE tried to twist it and change what it REALLY says....BUT the original words have NOT changed.... if it did, God Himself would be a liar.......

"He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a man, that he should change his mind." 1st Samuel 15:29

I am so glad about that!!

Gods word is His reputation to everyone on earth.

Eric, Armando, Brotha Alex,

Thank you all for coming back... I have never received this many comments on a post! :-) I really appreciate the fact that each one of you are willing to take the time to thoroughly explain your positions. I also appreciate your being respectful of one another, especially when the subject matter is one that is so near and dear to our hearts. I started out asking about where we think we are as a society and what we allow to go on in the world around us. At one point in time, not too long ago, this scene would not have appeared on a major network television show. Now it's there...which says to me that we, as a society, have pressed the mark, or more akin to relaxed our standards...dropped the ball if you will.

Debating or discussion is good Eric...the only way that someone can change the way they look at something is to change the way they think about it. So I think it is healthy for us to talk like this. The truth is still the truth... God's word is very specific, Jesus is THE way, THE truth, and THE light, and no man get's to the Father except by HIM. Notice it did not say, A way, A truth, and A light. There is but one way, and we don't have to look it upon mapquest...we have been given specific directions, God's Holy Word!

With God's Love,

Gwendolyn

Well I lookee here! I have some down time for the rain, and I am reading this sister's blog and responses. Always one to put my 2 cents in, here I go...

Eric, and Susan,

I have met some very kind, considerate, and lots of other commendable qualities in some gay people. My experience with discussing the Bible has always been met with their comment being "that my interpretation is wrong, and they found a loophole that says it's ok with God."

We will leave out the Jews, the Muslim's, and other beliefs that do not take this Jesus very seriously.

And yes it is your right to not take Jesus seriously. Not even He will force Himself on you. If you happen to be reading this comment, and Do want to take Jesus serious, being that it is your right and all, I have to challenge a comment made with scripture.

".....I'm not likely to change the minds of those who condemn people for the way God created them."

If you believe in the Gospel these are Jesus words

The subject being MARRIAGE:

"Have you not read that He who made THEM at the beginning "made them male and female" Matt:19-4

Jesus only reference to marriage has NO (but it's ok to have 2 males together, 2 females together...)

Does this mean I condemn you?

In a word no.

Does this mean that Jesus says it's ok? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

It seems to me that your argument ultimatley is your belief regarding the Bible...

Ummm....God decided a long time ago. Read the Bible

Gwen,

Thanks for the post. Always good to dialogue about issues of concern. More often than not we turn our attention to some of the more popular chapters and verses of the Bible when dealing with what is believed to be God's law. I am reminded of Genesis 9:25 - 27. Most don't refer to it as it was used in the early history of our nation. You see most southerns used this chapter and three verses to justify the enslavement of African Americans, the dark ones and the curse of Ham, set upon his son Canaan. Speaking of which, when was the last time we made a child accountable for their parent's actions.

Leviticus 25:44-46, says that we should purchase our servants from amongst the children of strangers. I can't remember ever hearing anyone discuss these three verses. For that matter, except for the couple on Long Island, NY, I can't think of anyone who would think of enslaving another human being. But then again, it is in the Bible.

Deuteronomy 25:5 - 10, says that your widowed mother should marry your father's brother. Here again, no one seeks to claim these verses literally. I have never heard an outcry for this to be invoked amongst Christians. But again, it is in the Bible.

There is often a lot of discussion about equal opportunity amongst men and women. We are equal in the eyes of the law. But which law, man's or God's? For Genesis 2:7 says "The Lord God found man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life: and man became a living soul". No mentioning of a woman created in an equal fashion. In point of fact, man in the personage of Adam, named the female "woman". "She shall be called woman because she was taken out of man" as is written in Genesis 2:23.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 says "Prove all things". What has been demonstrated is that if we seek to apply the word as it is written, then it must be done so unilaterally. We cannot pick and choose which laws we will abide by. That is unless we believe that those who put pen to paper allowed for their personal biases to be reflected in the written word.

I seek not to caste stones, for it is no my place to judge. Your relationship with God is just that, your's..if you choose to have one.

One thing I am sure of, my God is a loving God, He would not want me casting dispersions.

Peace be with you.

AUG

2007

I just have to laugh that someone would even bother posting about this topic. I've seen perfume, cruise ship, and cell phone commercials with more provocative content. Regardless, this example of "gone too far" is simply an opportunity for an elitist group to pass judgement, contradicting the very ideals they claim to stand for. I hope God has more compassion for them than they do for others.

Elitest group??

Did you see the groups this post was put into, Anthony?
Did you see the descriptions for those groups?
What in YOUR mind would lead you to believe any of those groups are elitist?
Who was passing judgement??
What was REALLY being talked about in the post and in the comments?
What ideals were contradicted??

Please, DO tell....... I would LOVE to debate this with you.

I saw MORE comments about Gods love than any judgemental comments in here, Anthony. Also remember, in being a Christian there are standards of conduct and lifestyle disciples of our Messiah adhere to, plain and simple. I think THAT is what the author is trying to speak to.......

The right way to live as a Christian.

Thanks.

Anthony, your comment was a bit rude...but at the same time speaks volumes! I wonder what brought you to comment on a post with such limited appeal???

I am all for compassion...I treat people respectfully...even when they act otherwise. If you read what I said here from the initial post-through my comments, you should see this. I, as you all, will give an account for my actions...or inactions!

HAVE GREAT WEEKEND ALL!

William,

Thank you for your input...though your comments were more in line with other comments and not the initial post. :-)

Gwen,

Obviously, I differ with you. I chose to respond in the manner I saw fit. I saw the post in Christianity and Real Estate. As a Christian, I chose to evaluate and respond to your question "Have we gone to far? based upon scripture. It is unfortunate that you did not see the correlation. Perhaps if this were posted in "Thinking Outside of the Box", I might have taken a different approach.

My God is a loving God!

Peace be with you!

Alexander No need to debate anything, so this will probably be my last comment on this post. Anyone can feel free to email me directly if they'd like to discuss - not debate - my opinion. There are 6 billion people on the planet with 6 billion different religious concepts, so we have to accept that others may not believe the same way we do. As far as your first three questions: I didn't say anything about the ActiveRain Groups, I was referring to the group - any individual, no one specific - that would try to act as judge by deeming anyone else's beliefs or actions as acceptable or not - by Christian or any other standard. Q4: I believe Gwendolyn judged in her original post when she posed the question "we have gone too far, as a society... in which this is okay?" Based on her reaction and her NEED to ask, it implies that she does not think homosexuality is acceptable; she makes this very clear in comments as do many others - again we all have our own beliefs, but it is judgement at the end of the day. Q5: My original comment only addresses the post, not the other comments, so I won't address "what was REALLY being talked about" in those. Gwendolyn has already stated what her actual intent was: "I think that as a society, we are constantly relaxing our standards- to the point that we are just allowing anything to go on around us. Whether or not we like it or even choose to acknowledge it, we PAY dearly for this." Q6: The ideals of love, compassion, and acceptance.

Gwendolyn Not sure what part of my comment you felt was rude. I don't understand your first question either; I happened upon it and HAD to comment.

WOW!!! There are definitely some passionate thoughts being shared here. Without duplicating what has already been said (I guess I would fall into the "radical Christian" category) I will just say that if you don't STAND for something, you will FALL for anything. Tolerance from the Christian community is how a lot of things have come to be. I guess this would go hand in hand with what someone said earlier about being Lukewarm. I guess that would have to be my question as well...why follow a "religion" if you are going to pick and choose which standards you will believe and follow?

Back to the point of this post...my fear of such open displays of homosexuality is that they are now teaching this as part of Sex Ed in schools. I don't want anyone teaching my child that this is an acceptable alternative lifestyle to the normal heterosexual lifestyle between a man and a woman. What a person chooses to do as an adult, is one thing...but implanting in my elementary aged child that this is a possible choice is just too much for me to bear.

One thing about online conversations is that it deprives us of knowing the context of one another's comments... versus say, face-to-face or even telephone communication. Both Susan and Anthony's posts came across as abrasive...my apologies if this was a misinterpretation. The one thing that became abundantly clear is that we are all very passionate about our beliefs. To God be the Glory in all that we do!

I thoroughly appreciate all of you taking your time and pouring out your feelings on this matter. Most commentors shared my feelings that this was not appropriate for daytime television...many thought it was okay.

William, explain it to me please and I mean this in the purest form...I thought that your comment was more inline with where the conversation went to than where it started...censorship. I did not mean to offend if I did...I am still a babe in Christ so please, break the correlation down for me...it's been that kinda week! :-)

Tracy, thank you for your comments. You made some great points! I saw a few couples on a talk show a while back and they truly grieved my heart with the parenting decisions they made...they each had a child under age 10 who they claimed was "born in the wrong body" whom they were allowing to live as the opposite sex and calling them by a name of the child's choice from the opposite gender. One of these children were about 7 and had already changed her name and was living life as a boy, because her parents allowed her to make the change. I didn't understand this because children are so fickle and they want to be "superman" one day and next week they hate superman, the "hulk" is the man. :-)

I have to say that after reading your post I have to say that I am appauled. First and foremost I don't believe that this is the proper forum for any type of this nonsense. We are here to promote good and professional commentary on the home buying process, and all of those things connected with the home buying process.

Let's review the fair housing laws.

Title VIII of the Civil Rights Act of 1968 (Fair Housing Act), as amended, prohibits discrimination in the sale, rental, and financing of dwellings, and in other housing-related transactions, based on race, color, national origin, religion, sex, familial status (including children under the age of 18 living with parents of legal custodians, pregnant women, and people securing custody of children under the age of 18), and handicap (disability).

I find it very interesting that the very State of South Carolina that you reside in has NO HATE CRIME LEGISLATION. I guess this must be why you are hating on those who choose same sex relationships.

	Four states -- AR, IN, SC, WY -- have no hate-crime legislation.
	Two states - GA & UT -- have legislation which does not define categories.
	Fifteen states -- AL, AK, CO, ID, MD, MI, MS, MT, NC, ND, OH, OK, SD, VA, WV -- have a hate-crime law, but it does not include criminal acts motivated by a hatred of persons becuase of their sexual orientation or gender identity.
	Twenty-one states -- AX, DE, FL, IL, IO, KS, KY, LA, ME, MA, NE, NV, NH, NJ, NY, OR, RI, TN, TX, WA, & WI have a law which includes sexual orientation as a protected class.
	Eight states -- CA, CT, HI, NM, MN, MO, PA, & VT -- and the District of Columbia have hate crime laws that include both sexual orientation and gender identity as protected classes.

Does ones sexual orietation really matter when it comes to buying and selling homes... The answer is a resounding NO, NO, NO, NO. People that are homosexuals, bi-sexual, transexual, or even crossdressers are still human beings. They all still have rights and feelings. People that choose to live their life in this manner still buy and sell homes, and obtain financing for mortages to make such purchases.

Television is a direct reflection of society. In case you haven't figured it out there are homosexuals, bisexuals, transexuals, and even crossdressers in the United States of America the land of the free where many of our ancestors sought to settle to escape the persecutions of their homelands and make a better life.

I think that our society is better now that we can all live in peace with one antoher without regard to ones sexual orientation or protected class status.

I'm not sure if you have the availability to watch morning TV but you may want to tune in to the Ellen show. Ellen is a homosexual and is on TV 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year, and has a great television following.

Don't discriminate against anyone.

Scott Slocum
Sellstate Achievers Realty Network Inc.

Scott I don't know what posts you were reading...perhaps you confused this with another dialogue because under no circumstances would the hate crime thing be appropriate...ANYWAYZ...

This has certainly run it's course...I thought my last post would be my last post. Scott I do not discriminate, any adult has the right to chose to do whatever it is they want to do, which does not necessarily make it right...right?

I have seen Ellen on late night tv and yes her following is HUGE...she is really funny. She is homosexual,huh? I would have never known. She is a grown woman so what she does in her bedroom is certainly not my business! I'm not a HATER of anyone...

and I don' t think that anyone expected this to go on as far as it did. I expected to get a few comments and be done with...but it did not work out that way. I have been surprised at some of the comments that have been made on on both sides of the issues. God is good, and prayerfully, we will all take some positives away from this dialogue...I pray seeds have been planted that will help us to grow as people.

Brotha Alex...loved the graphic...Love, thats what it's about.

"Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins" 1 Pet 4:8
"A friend loves at all times" Proverbs 17:17
"And now these three remain: faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love" 1 Cor 13:13
"Love does not delight in evil, but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trust, always hopes, always perserveres. Love never fails" 1 Cor 13:6-8

God Bless you all and thanks for your comments.

HAVE A SAFE AND HAPPY WEEKEND!

Wordly Christians are just that - they try to retain Godliness and yet tolerate and approve of the very things that

God - for their safety and good- says to refrain from and to turn and run away from. Remember Joseph fleeing without his cloak? If you have a problem with God's way of doing things take it up with God . His Word stands and will stand long after you are no longer walking this Earth.

Did the show take things too far - yes indeed - as do most shows. They titillate the audience and lure people into thinking that what is becoming commonplace is also good.

Guard your hearts!

If I truly love you and am compassionate towards you , then I will tell you the truth.

AUG

2007

Kathleen --- your comment is well said, if I may say so myself!

Your choice, your opinion. I have decided to stay neutral and non-judgmental on this issue. Understand your frustration with desensitization, and it's gone main stream! You probably don't want children watching soaps no matter who's kissing. Personally, I keep the television off before 5pm :-)

Either way, enlightening blog... now, how does this apply to real estate :-) ???

AUG

2007

After reading all of this...

The only thing left to say is...

God is the judge and the jury. There are no God's on this planet.

No matter what we believe it is not our place to condemn our fellow man.

Love thy neighbor and God will do the rest :)

TLW...ROAR!

Gee... I am glad we all agree.... and well said, TLW....

=-)

Gwendolyn, Have we gone too far? Without a doubt. But the fact is we live in a fallen world and seeing two men kissing is a reality. BUT if I had young children I would prefer they see it on TV with me so I could open up a discussion about homosexuality and our need to love these folks and everyone else with all of their faults and ours. If we shelter our children and they see these things in the real world then we have done them a disservice by not preparing them for the reality of life. So with that in mind, I would prefer that humanity in all of it's ugliness is exposed to us so we can discuss it.

Solomon had many wives and concubines.

Moses was a murderer.

David was a murderer and an adulterer.

Paul was as bad as they come.

Noah was a drunk.

Abraham was a liar amongst other things.

Peter was a coward and a traitor.

John was an ego maniac.

Yet these folks were God's chosen people. Their exploits were written about and exposed for the world to see and learn by. If God made a video they would be the stars of the show. Gods ways are not our ways and his divine plan far exceeds our intelligence and understanding. BUT His love will overcome ALL. So lets concentrate on spreading the love not monitoring the World. That's better left to upper management.

As Bryant said...the world is the world.... everyone sins.....

People are won by Gods love demonstrated in and by His people.....
just as others have stated in the comments here.

Just as I said to TLW....well put, Bryant.....

=-)

TLW & BB - AMEN to those comments.

AUG

2007

"Does anybody out there think that we have gone too far, as a society... in which this is okay?"

This was the question asked by Gwendolyn. There has been a lot of responses but few answered the question as it was directly asked. No where in the above question did she ask if homosexuality was okay or what your beliefs were or whose ideas or beliefs are better than whom.

She said she saw a show. 2 men kissing. Do you think it is okay?

From what I have read in comments there has been accusations of judging, being offended, state laws (not sure why that was in there!) and I think I saw one that talked about being anti-christian. How did a simple question end up so "fired up"? If we were all together in a room as cohorts and the question was asked, would we answer in some of the TONES I am hearing in the responses? Maybe not. We have to remember that the words we are writing has tones to them and we are not trying to alienate anyone.

A reply post from Gwendolyn

08/22/2007

Gwendolyn Wright- your outsourcing resource

She clearly stated why she posted the post and why she included other groups. I think some of the responses were based on whether or not homosexuality was okay, instead of what Gwendolyn's question was. I know, we all have our opinions and beliefs and that's fine. I am NOT taking anyone's side but I really think the discussion has went downhill - fast!

Okay, so everyone, let's take a DEEP breath and let CHILL!!! :-)

Whew! I feel like I just did a round of peacemaking!!! :-)

AUG

2007

Tereciah......

I could go on about things but I would be beating a dead horse...... you are absolutely correct.....

The thing is you have to remember ===> people will read into a post based on what they live their lives like and the principles they follow. If they feel threatened or judged for principles they live by or for the lifestyle they have chosen to live they will respond, even though Gwen did not judge at all in her post. Homosexuality and lesbianism is a very touchy subject to some people.

That is the reason for the heated discussion. This a topic some of the membership is passionate about, for various reasons.

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