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Shopping for mortgages in New Jersey - It's not like shopping for cars

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Mortgage and Lending with Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc

 

Shop till you drop - this might not be wise advice when shopping for a mortgage

 

shopping for mortgages - shopping for fha mortgages

I wanted to bring up this topic because it still happens more than it should. I know we all want the best deals, but anyone can make general promises on the phone or on paper.

Shopping for a mortgage in New Jersey is not easy and it's not like shopping for a car. A car is a car, but ones service could be better.  And one could argue that most mortgage companies should have the same interest rates and mortgage programs. But there are way to many unknowns upfront that can change interest rates. In my opinion, those that don't want to ask all of the appropriate questions upfront and educate you about the different types of programs, generally just want to get you in the door and then worry about everything later.  Yes people, this still happens, even after several changes in the last year that try and protect the consumer when applying for a mortgage.

 

 

 

some mortgage related statements just drive me crazy

 

I read this comment from a realtor -  "I tell my clients to shop loans and make sure the lenders provide the information about costs and fees associated with the loan.  I think that is a service to my buyers."

I am sorry, but this kind of statement is like pointing a gun at your head that holds 6 bullets, yet 3 bullets are loaded. Your chances of being shot are 50%. Just like when shopping with to many lenders, that it could increase your odds of not getting the right information or misleading information and rates/fees.

 

 

 

 

here are 3 loan officers - good luck

Here are two quick stories -

1.  I had a realtor that decided to give me a chance, yet she told me that she had 2 very good loan officers that she recommends all of the time because they were excellent and that they closed her deals. After speaking to this borrower, who already spoke to the other 2 loan officers, I realized that this borrower was never explained on how adjustable rates worked.  Yet he was sold on an adjustable rate, because the rate itself was very attractive.  The funny thing was that I was about 1/4 percent cheaper in interest rate and $1,000 cheaper in points on the fixed rate. But on the 5 yr arm, this lender was beating me out by 3/8 of a percent. He chose the loan officer with the lower rate, even though he thanked me for educating him on adjustable rates, going over his goals (which neither loan officer did), and just for the fact that I taught him about refinancing in the future. See, he was under the impression with FHA loans that if he refinanced 4 years later, as long as he had 20% or more equity, that he wouldn't have monthly mortgage insurance. This is 100% false on FHA loans. But see, I went into great details, knowing what he was trying to accomplish in the future, and because we went over his goals. Yet this was never talkied about by the other two loan officers.

End Result - 1 day after he applied with this lender, rates began to drop. By the end of the week, I was barely 1/8 of a percent higher in rate, yet this other loan officer never offered a lower rate since rates dropped. Yes, many loan officers/lenders can offer you good rates and such, but at what price to the borrower. And sometimes these costs could add up as future costs and not as present costs, hence why goals are important. And in my opinion, this realtor really wanted to give out 3 names just to protect herself. If you really trust one person, there is no need for 2 other names.

 

2.  A person that I have know for 3 years has said all along that I was his guy.  He trusted me and such. I have done over 5 pre-qual letters for him in the last 4 months. Well, that turned quickly and he ended up using another loan officer that his realtor pushed, because the other lender made it look like I wasn't doing my job. He told the borrower that we didn't order the appraisal as of yet and his total costs were $800 cheaper than me. I tried to explain that I always try to be on the high side. Besides, I had no lender fees, so I knew this couldn't be true.  Also, the loan officer had offered a lower rate after I told the realtor what I was giving the borrower.  But wait, the borrower was floating and I wanted to surprise my so-called friend later on with a lower rate. 

The end result? I could have given this borrower a 1/4% less in rate.  And wait, just yesterday he was told that he needs $400 more at closing tomorrow for escrows.  hhhhmmm - Who lost here?  We both did. But I just called this person and told him to fight it at closing tomorrow, because the lender didn't disclose the new update 3 days prior to closing. He was appreciative, even though he went some where else.

 

 

 

Conclusion - All the reason why shopping for mortgages in New Jersey with many lenders could backfire on you or just hurt you overall.  I wrote a series about this. So who do I trust?

 

 

 

 

Some important reading - Some changes in the last 12 months by the government, trying to protect the consumer when it comes to shopping for mortgages. But has it really helped as much?

 

 

 

 

 

- I wrote about this same topic on October 25th, 2006 -

 

 

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Jeff Belonger
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The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans

 

Just a FYI to those that follow my posts... I have been away for the last 2 weeks.  I traveled to Wisconsin for a family reunion which I will post about over the weekend. Besides, the internet connection was slow...

 

Aug 26, 2010 12:32 PM
Marcie Sandalow
Marcie Sandalow, Compass 301.758.4894 - Bethesda, MD
Bethesda Chevy Chase DC real estate

Hi Jeff-  this is really instructive.  I'm going to suggest it.    

Aug 26, 2010 12:39 PM
Ted Tyndall
Davidson Realty Inc. - Saint Augustine, FL
I will help You find the Home YOU want to Buy

Jeff, my biggest concern in recommending a mortgae lender is someone that gives good rates but closes loans with no problems.

Aug 26, 2010 12:41 PM
Jeff Belonger
Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc - Cherry Hill, NJ
The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans

 

MARCIE... .  thanks for the compliment and for suggesting this... I guess we'll see, right.  ;o)

TED... . I am trying to follow your statement.  Do you not have someone that you can trust that will give good rates, give good service & educate the borrower, and close the loan... all in one?  My whole point in regards to example #1 is that even a good rate and a closed loan doesn't make you a very good loan officer. It could still be very costly to the borrower down the road.  thanks

 

Aug 26, 2010 12:53 PM
Tim Bradford
Cleveland, OH
NMLS 250013

Jeff,   Welcome back and Great Post.   Too many times I have seen borrowers do their shopping based solely upon rate or closing costs.  I do not know the whole story, however it is hard for me to imagine anyone taking an ARM in todays times. 

Aug 26, 2010 01:31 PM
Dagny Eason
Dagny's Real Estate - Wilton, CT
Fairfield County CT, CDPE Homes For Sale and Condo

Jeff - Great post.  Not welcome back, but GLAD you are back!   Do you service loans that are out of state?  If I had a client in CT that needed assistance, could you, would you, assist them?

Aug 26, 2010 01:48 PM
Marilyn Boudreaux
Marilyn Boudreaux, Century 21 Bono Realty - Lake Charles, LA
Lake Charles LA Century 21 Realtor

Jeff good to have you back posting again and hope you are well rested!  I hear this alot buyers want to "shop" for the cheapest rate what they don't understand that there are alot of unknown factors.  What if insurance comes in higher?  What if their dream home is in a flood zone?  These extras add up and are no fault of the loan officer when initially quoting the client.  Buyers should quit nit picking and be glad they are getting the fabulous current low rates!

Aug 26, 2010 02:09 PM
Markita Woods NMLS#196099
Fairway Independent Mortgage Inc. - Woodbridge, VA
Queen of Mortgages - FHA, VA, Conventional, USDA

Jeff I so agree with your advice to Realtors. I just had a similar situation like story#2. I am starting to wonder if it's just the nature of some people....

Aug 26, 2010 03:50 PM
Jeff Belonger
Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc - Cherry Hill, NJ
The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans

 

TIM... . thanks and thanks...  I am sure many of us have seen borrowers just shop based on rate & fees.. and sometimes just rates.  But can you really blame them, if they aren't educated about the pitfalls?  In regards to the adjustable vs the fixed rate... that example took place over 8 months ago or longer... and at that very time, the difference in interest rate between a fixed and an arm was about 1 percent or maybe 1.125%...  the payment difference was over $157 and this was more appealing to the borrower at the time... even if you told him that there would be new costs associated with the refinance... and that he would hope that he could do a conventional loan at that time and have 20% equity in the property then.  Yes, many risks, but he was willing to take that risk... thanks

 

DAGNY... .  last year, I could do a loan myself in CT... but with the new licensing changes, I would have to be licensed myself... I think my company is...  but let's talk tomorrow about this... call me any time or let me know when I can call you..  cell : 609-440-5133   thanks and thanks for the welcome back..

MARILYN.... . not well rested still... will be doing that this weekend... ;o)  But thanks..  I am not to concerned about homeowners insurance and or flood insurance, even if the loan officer low balls that.... it's educating the client, asking the right questions... and so much more about just rate and or fees. I use to give in when new in this business, but now... I just give them what I can and if they don't like, they can roll the dice... and in many cases, it seems to backfire on them.  I have many more stories..   But yes, buyers need to quit nit picking...   and not to put realtors down, but not all realtors referrals are good.  I know because I closed like 8 loans in 2008 that were all realtor referrals that didn't close with their loan officer... and I was able to close them.  It does happen...and no, I am not perfect, but upfront and direct... thanks

MARKITA... .  I truly think it is the nature of some people...  or some just end up taking someone else's word just because the other person is so convincing... and those same people can sleep at night no matter how evil or bad... sorry, but I can't... I would lose sleep...   thanks

 

Aug 26, 2010 05:04 PM
Gabe Sanders
Real Estate of Florida specializing in Martin County Residential Homes, Condos and Land Sales - Stuart, FL
Stuart Florida Real Estate

Very interesting read Jeff and something that most of us should know better.

Aug 27, 2010 12:44 AM
Jeanean Gendron
The Address Realty - Redding, CA
Specializing in Selling Unique Properties

Jeff, taking the high road gets harder and harder. Fortunately, we don't have a choice about that. While it is sad for the clients and that's who it really hurts, I've learned to try to just instantly move on by putting my energy where it belongs. I'm sure you do the same. There are times that the client comes back and I am always courteous and as helpful as I can be. Doing knowledge works is an art form and Jeff and you have it down.

Aug 27, 2010 02:57 AM
Jeff Belonger
Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc - Cherry Hill, NJ
The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans

 

GABE... .  thanks... well, it might come across that I am preaching about myself... but I just need to get the point across to others that you just need to be careful... it's not as easy or simple as some make it sound.. and again, so many can promise you or tell you what you want to hear up front, but the end result might not always be the same.  thanks

JEANEAN.... .  it's extremely hard... and define the high road... lol  I was ticked... but I can understand.. I would want the better deal that is promised to me...  yet, a promise can be broken very easily, no matter what is put on paper... many loan officers and lenders know what they can get away with and or try... it's just the nature of the beast.  Thanks

 

Aug 27, 2010 04:21 AM
Nevin Williams
Fairway Independent Mortgage Corporation - Cary, NC
Senior Mortgage Advisor

Jeff - I am going to spell this out a few times for those who say Yeah but!  You get what you pay for. You get what you pay for.

Just because you give your paperwork to a bank doesn't mean they will close your loan.  problem is you're on the hook for a $400 appraisal to find that out.  When you finally find out that the loan officer at the large bank is pretty much incompetent you now have to find another competent loan officer and start the process all over again.  Was the .125% you never got worth it?

Aug 27, 2010 03:36 PM
Paul McFadden
Responsive Pest Control - Seattle, WA
Pest Control, Seattle, WA.

Jeff: Thank you. I'm also going to suggest this get featured. I received a phone call from a shopper last Friday. Mind you I've discovered I never win with shoppers. The bottom line is someone can always find a lower rate and someone who is willing to work for less. I told my borrower to stick with what he had. Pulling the plug in the middle of a deal can cost the borrower money (the appraisal had already been done) and obviously time. Thanks again for the post. I hope it gets featured!

Aug 30, 2010 08:20 AM
Jeff Belonger
Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc - Cherry Hill, NJ
The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans

 

NEVIN... .  yea, you get what you pay for, but people like you and I still suffer when we don't get to close these clients, that it was a second rate job done...  we know the game... hence why I will keep writing about this, hoping to help educate the average consumer.  thanks

PAUL... . well, you shouldn't have that attitude about shoppers.. .. I don't them, if they give me a chance and listen... those that just want rate, they can move on.  Well, I move on... lol  But I know you get it... and thanks for suggesting this and for the compliments.

 

Sep 01, 2010 05:40 PM