One of my agent clients, Al, called me two months ago to pre-qualify one of his buyer's, Tom.  Tom needed 100% financing.

Tom never called me back though I left him numerous messages.  

"Aaron, he isn't ready to speak with a lender yet.  He wants to wait,"  Al said.

I told Al that was fine but that he shouldn't waste any time with Tom until Tom spoke with a lender.  

Al is a real nice guy but he didn't follow that advice.   He has spent the last two months showing Tom houses...some to lease-option, and some to buy.

Last week, Al called me. 

"Tom found something he wants to buy and is ready to speak with you.  By the way, he got with a credit repair expert.  He spent $7,000 paying off a bunch of collections and he also enrolled in Credit Counseling. So his bills are under control and his credit should be a lot better," Al said.

In today's market, there is nothing you want to hear less than the words "Credit Counseling (CC)." 

It;s a great service and it really helps people but, in the eyes of the lender, CC is the same as a Chapter 13 bankruptcy.  

It shows that you cannot manage your credit committments yourself so you need the help of a third-party to come in and manage them for you.    Obviously, that scares a lender, who you are asking to invest $100,000's in you away.

There is no way to get Tom 100% financing in today's marketplace while he is just starting credit counseling.  We used to have it available in subprime, but not today.

Fannie Mae and FHA have some great programs that allow for people who have proven to be successful in credit counseling.  If you have at least a 12 month pay history, with no lates, you may be able to buy a home or refinance it while in the program.

However, if you just got started in credit counseling, forget it.

To make matters worse, when I pulled Tom's credit, and ran it through our credit repair software, it turns out that the $7,000 he used to pay off collections, on the advice of the "expert," didnt even help his score that much.  

He would have been much better off leaving his collections alone and paying down his current credit card debt to make it more managable.     

He would have been able to qualify for a new home with ease.  Most lenders don't care about your collections today so long as they don't affect title.

There are a few options for him but its now likely Tom will have to wait at least 12 months to buy a home.  He is disappointed and I think kind of shocked.

Its not Tom's fault.  He didn't know any better but his story teaches us some valuable lessons.  If buying a home is the priority, please make sure your client gets with an experienced lender, who understands credit repair, before he makes any personal decisions on how to repair his credit himself.

 

 
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11 Comments on Consumer Credit Counseling and Working on Your Credit Yourself- Bad Idea If Applying for a Mortgage

AUG
22
2007

ahhhh....I've seen this happen before. I try to tell my clients NOT to do that if they are planning to buy. I'd rather spend hours with them trying to help them get everything in order then send them to a company like this. It basically takes them out of the game for 12 months! People always respond "But wouldn't it look good because I am taking care of the problem?" my response is always "They look at it as if you are in a Bankruptcy, to them it says you can't pay your bills" Then I ask them a simple question "look at it from their point of view, if somebody had to get help from someone else to pay their bills accordingly would you want to loan them $250,000 of your moeny?" Funny that most of them say "Well no I wouldn't." 

 

Ummm, either do these people! 

10:55pm • #1
Aaron, sadly it is true that a consumer will do something (like use a Consumer Credit Counseling Service) thinking that they are doing the right thing to repair their credit, and completely ruin their chances of obtaining a loan. Many people are probably not aware that using a CC service is like filing Chapter 13 Bankruptcy. I have heard horror stories about using those companies; such as: the consumer thought that the company was making payments to their creditors, and were, in fact, not making scheduled payments, furthuring the debtors woes. It makes so much sense for a buyer to consult with a mortgage specialist or loan officer before making any moves that will affect their chances of obtaining a loan. Thanks!
10:57pm • #2
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Rick--- Thats exactly the point.   It sounds like such a great idea and it is....if you arent buying a house.  :)

Bridget-- I have heard those too.  If you need to go to CCC you are better off with a state-run or county-run program.    You are right.   If the goal is home ownership, you talk to the experts in that area first.  If the goal is saving your credit first, thats where you turn.

11:01pm • #3
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I think this sucks!  I had it happen to a buyer several years ago, she ended up renting and I sold her something a year later...Credit Counseling is NOT a viable solution but bankruptcy is???????????  Something is WRONG with the system...IMHO
11:29pm • #4
AUG
23
2007
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Mary---  You make a good point but I think the key is personal responsibility.  There is no question that credit counseling is a better alternative for people than BK.    Much better and shows committment.

However, as a lender, when someone is asking for $100,000's, and that person has a history where they couldn't manage $10,000's on their own without help, it gives you a glimpse of what you are getting into.  I think its understandable. 

And for most lenders, so long as you are out of the program, it is looked at a bit differently.  As opposed to BK, which some lenders want you out of for years before you can get a loan, many just want you out of CC before you can get a loan.

9:42am • #5
Great insight, thank for the info!!!
12:38pm • #6
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Thanks, David!! I hope its useful.
12:43pm • #7
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Aaron, Excellent post!  So many people do not understand that this is a bad thing!!!! 
2:02pm • #8
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Rey--- We run into it all of the time and its brutal when you have to tell people that something they did that they thought was positive, is actually bad.
4:50pm • #9
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21
2008
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good post.  the best i've read on CCCS so far (and the pitfalls of paying some schmuck thousands of dollars for "credit repair". 

4:56pm • #10
OCT
22
2008

Aaron, great info to share and so timely with all the attention credit repair is getting. I just had a customer yesterday mention CCCS- she knows better now.

It's perfectly logical though that if you are so far in the hole you need a third party to renegotiate all of your debt and make the payments for you (from your money), you don't need to be buying a home.

Gerry Suarez, Jr.

Your FHA Loan Pro!

8:42am • #11

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