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What I Learned at RainCamp Orlando... and my Purple Cow reality check...

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Services for Real Estate Pros with ha media group

Much has already been said on the subject of Orlando RainCamp, courtesy TLW’s featured post and Petra’s own (also featured) takeaway, replete with notes, so I won’t bore you with details of the presentation itself.  To start of on a huge positive – hubby and I got to meet some peeps we’ve been internet friends with on AR and FB – face to face, and that was absolutely fantastic.  I got to squeeze TLW, and as some of you already know, got a gift of a very nice digit for my trouble.  I got to meet and be hugged by Debe Maxwell, for whom coincidentally, we were finishing up some branding and new business card designs while at RainCamp:-)  And rather accidentally, we were introduced to an absolutely adorable person with too many names that everyone in the ‘in’ crowd just calls Coop.  At the afterhours, got to meet and talk to for brief moments with Petra, who is just charming, Neal Bloom, who is still weirdly New York and was much much nicer to me than I was to him, my long time subscriber Sharon Alters who is exactly as she is online, which is truly refreshing, and of course the rest of TLW’s gang and family.  BTW – Bryant is a great hugger! 

We laughed on our all too frequent stogie breaks, assaulted FB with our various rants during the event and all in all had a great time socializing.  The price of admission was entirely worth it just to meet those folksJ:-) That said – there were a few things that could have and should have been handled entirely differently, in my opinion, which is hardly ever a humble one.

Ben Kinney had the unenviable task of entertaining a crowd of a few hundred for some seven hours with a few break in between.  Not an easy feat, by any stretch, but asking for input or for a ‘yes’ or ‘no’ answer to those all-too-obvious questions was reminiscent of elementary school at times.  That’s a minor offence, however, when compared to the few that really got to me.  The first punch, if you will, was the rather deliberately stated order in which referrals by Ben are distributed: KW agents anywhere first, and if there is no match, he’d move down the line to look for one within the ranks of Active Rain.  Which brings me to a strange little conundrum of sorts.  Agents use Active Rain to blog and show their personalities, knowledge of the local market and a whole lot more, all of which should make it easier for someone Internet savvy to pick the best agent for the job, whether a consumer or a fellow real estate professional elsewhere in the world.  I always thought that, in a nutshell, was the whole sales pitch to the agents for why they should blog on AR in the first place.

I might be talking out of my butt here, but I am not aware of a KW specific blogging platform that would lead one into the knowledge and personality of a fellow agent, but apparently, the KW next to one’s name means more to the one preaching blogging and social media than the community whose platform is used as a pulpit. 

Enter Zillow and Market Leader pitches.  I love Zillow’s Sara – she is adorable and is only doing her job and I get it, but truly – so many agents are indeed upset over the zestimates of dubious accuracy that it would have quite probably been more prudent to leave the sales pitches to the flyers and not the stage, especially given that RainCamp took place in a market where Zillow’s margin of error is at 36%, if my memory serves me right.  Market Leader being the ONLY IDX resource even mentioned was off putting at best, especially given how many in the audience were using RealBird, DS et al.

Finally, an affront I took possibly all too personally, as it affects what my company does rather directly. 

In the latter part of the presentation, Ben was making a Seth Godin-inspired pitch for the agents to stand out in their branding and marketing.  He urged folks to do something, and I quote, “remarkable” with their brand, whether in their just listed/just sold cards, logos, business cards or anything else.  He urged agents to be the now over used, but so convenient Godin’s Purple Cow…. All true indeed, and a necessary reminder to a lot of professionals in any industry.  Then Ben Kinney referred folks for their “remarkable” branding and design to websites whose business model is a bunch of people competing for your design and a paycheck of $250.00.  You get a bunch of submissions, pick the one you like the best and off you go.

In the interest of full disclosure, here are the sites recommended: logotournament.com and 99designs.com.

Ok, fair enough, everyone has their preferences.  Ben referred to these two places as places where you get world’s best designers work for you, all in an attempt to do the absolute best job, so that you pick their logo or design, and they get paid, as only the designer whose work you choose to utilize gets compensated.  By way of comparison, he referred to what hubby and I do and so many others, including quite a few members of the AR community, as producing, and I quote: “crap”, from which you, the client, are forced to pick the “crème”.

So it was that an independent design shop or an agency was relegated to “crème of the crap”, which elicited a few laughs from the audience.

Speaking of the best of the best, I hate bursting anyone’s bubble, but I assure you the best designers in the world are NOT sitting at their computer desks all day pumping out stuff in the marginal hope of getting that elusive $250.00 check.  In much the same way the best of anything in the world do NOT do anything for a maybe.  Primarily, because they don’t have to, and what you do get that was done for a ‘maybe’ is a great illustration of the process and the business model, equally removed from any possibility of a Purple Cow or sense of anything remarkable.  It’s not a questions of taste, but time, knowledge, experience and talent. 

So here goes my little reality check, and my own word of warning to agents everywhere. 99designs.com and the like do not take the time to get to know you and your business, your personality or research your competition.  Not because they don’t want to, but because they can’t.  What you do get for the investment of $250.00 is not a unique brand or a purple cow, but a few shapes and fonts hastily thrown together in the hopes that you’d pick theirs.  You can save yourself the trouble and just design your own utilizing the same method on any one of the many sites that allow you to use their online design tools.

And while some of you might be fine with a generic design obtained by those means – don’t insult Seth and call it a Purple Cow, quite simply because it’s never going to be one.  If the packaging of the presale version of that oft-misunderstood and misquoted book is any indication – those milk cartons took human passion, creativity and thought to pull off.  I doubt the person who designed that is a member of the aforementioned sites.

Lastly, and on a somewhat personal level – hubby and I were putting finishing touches on the designs we were working on for Debe Maxwell at the time of this bit of presentation.  We were all in the same audience, and for a minute or so I got the nagging feeling that in the eyes of Debe, my brand new client, we were producing “crap” she'd be forced to pick from.  After all, when one goes to a professional seminar, the words of the person with the mic do matter, and certainly carry all sorts of weight, as well they should.  I also pondered the effect a sales pitch like this will have on so many members of the Active Rain community who are NOT real estate agents or lenders, but who provide a service of some kind to this industry.

debe maxweel tech card and new logonew logo

 

My little recommendation, for what it’s worth – if you would like to have something designed, find a human being or a company whose work you like.  You can start by searching AR for graphic design services, or for anything else you need for that matter.  After all – that’s the point behind any community, or at least should be.  I just hope RainCamp and crew realize that at some point.

A thank you to Ben Kinney: – the advice on using those targeted FaceBook ads was great, so thank you!  How did I do?

learning at raincamp

PS: I’d like to publically state that AR’s Lauren to whom I promptly complained about being peeved at that sales pitch has been a total sweetheart and listened rather attentively, and then even sought me out and offered me those little tile ads on AR (which I declined).  She tried genuinely and sweetly to make me feel better and to let me know that Ben’s presentation when it comes to that is not a reflection on AR’s overall philosophy.  Thank you, Lauren.  It can’t have been comfortable, and I really appreciate it. :-)

 

Debe Maxwell, CRS
Savvy + Company (704) 491-3310 - Charlotte, NC
The RIGHT CHARLOTTE REALTOR!

@Paul--one final thought to finish the comment about one's success in this business:  I have done a little research pertaining to that in the last day or two and have found that success to one is not necessarily defined as success to others.  It all depends upon the level of one's bar... 

Keep in mind that some things are not always as they may seem (or are implied).

Nuff said.

 

Aug 28, 2010 01:32 PM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408 - Daytona Beach, FL
Buy Daytona condos for heavenly good prices

I am reading these fascinating comments, the back and forth notes by Paul and Debbie, and it is obvious that this type of communication on anyone blog is an exception rather than the rule.

The bigger we are, the more difficult to be unique. Paul is right that Ben might be a very successful entrepreneur, but people can see success differently, and then the ways to reach it can also be viewed differently.

While it is fine, the idea of this business becoming an ocean of blogs about does-not-matter-what with right keywords is foreign to me, even if it is backed by big rewards.

The event's misfortune was dwarfed by the blast of meeting people and shooting the breeze.

I think we could do a better "shooting the breese" day and have more time for fun and elbows rubbing

Aug 28, 2010 02:24 PM
Debe Maxwell, CRS
Savvy + Company (704) 491-3310 - Charlotte, NC
The RIGHT CHARLOTTE REALTOR!

Ah, Papa Jon--I see you put what I just said on your blog SO much more eloquently--"The event's misfortune was dwarfed by the blast of meeting people and shooting the breeze." I second that statement!

Sorry, Inna, I'm not trying to hijack your blog--just trying to keep up with it!

Aug 28, 2010 05:25 PM
Inna Hardison
ha media group - Orlando, FL
Wordpress for Real Estate & Design, Print HaMedia Group

Debe - oh, please hijack away.  I'm too tired to respond to comments now, so a fill in would be much appreciated.

:-)

Aug 28, 2010 05:48 PM
Kim Brown
Keller Williams Realty - Keene, NH
Keene, NH - New England at its Best!

Inna--you (and everyone commenting) really got me thinking.  I went into RainCamp Boston with a pretty simple expectation:  learn how to drive more traffic to my blog, how to implement certain strategies and incorporate them into my posts.  While that was really the extent of my educational expectation, what inspired me to actually attend was the opportunity to meet some of the people I've come to know here on AR.

I went on my own.  Solo.  Not a single person from my city, or even my county, made the trip.  I was excited to meet some of the bloggers in the region beyond my little corner of the world who also see AR as more than just a billboard upon which to paste some variant of their online marketing strategy.  To me, that was the greatest attraction.

I guess I didn't set the bar very high with regard to the education.  I was looking for a one-stop, concentrated dose of explanation of things like long-tail keywords, SEO, and how to implement them.  I got that.  Ben's business model is so far removed from my own that I didn't even think to question the differences.  They simply are.  I was looking for mechanics, and very basic ones, at that.  For me, they were delivered.

I'm more than a teensy bit ashamed of myself for not looking beneath the surface when it came to the segment regarding the use of what Paul so aptly calls the "LendingTree" graphics sites.  I heard it, I found it irrelevant to me, and took it as a suggestion for struggling or limited-budget agents who are looking for a band-aid solution.  Of course, now that you mention it, you're right.  It is a slap in the face to pooh-pooh quality service providers who are a vital part of the AR community as a whole, and I'm deeply disappointed in myself for not recognizing it as the slam that, in retrospect, it clearly is.

Since nobody will ever be writing for me, the thought of having someone else take on that role is laughable, and so far removed from why I want to blog in the first place, that I discounted that little gem as being fodder for those who see AR (and any other blogging platform) as nothing more than another bus stop bench or shopping cart upon which to plaster their "brand".

To me, too, the spirit of AR goes deeper than that.  It is a vehicle, yes, but for me it's about reading great quality stuff.  It's about getting a glimpse into what makes an individual tick. It's about the people first, and the marketing value second.  But that's how I approach my business and my life.  Either you like me, or you don't, and that goes both ways.  Don't like me?  Move on...plenty of other material to read and plenty of other agents to hire...but I want to get more people reading me to begin with.  Until they do, how can they decide whether or not I'm a person worth investing a little more time and energy in?  Hell, how do they even know I exist, if I can't get a piece of me in front of them? How to make that happen is what I hoped to learn at RainCamp.

If one is looking for "the basics", RainCamp accomplishes that.  Some who have attended and commented here were looking for more than I was, and their belief that it comes up short are undeniably valid.  I asked for relatively little and received considerably more than I expected.

Addressing the heart and soul of what I take AR to be about (and I'm clearly not alone) would be overwhelmingly preferable to the sales pitches of Market Leader, Zillow, et al.  However, I'm not sure that can be delivered in a business-oriented, teaching-to-the-masses seminar environment.  The sales pitches left me with the same feeling I get during TV commercials: "meh?"  I had no interest in what they were peddling, and used that time to refine some of the notes I'd taken and to goof off with some of my AR pals via my phone.  (Being solo, I didn't attract the stern glances and chastising that you troublemakers did.  Oh, how I would have loved being a part of that merry band of mischief-makers! :) )

That said, if any of the cool peeps I've come to know want to host a big ass pot-luck picnic to celebrate and elaborate upon the deeper personal and far more valuable things we take away from AR, I'd be happy to throw a few bucks into the keg fund and bring a dish to share.  That's a party that would be worth way more than the price of admission and offers something that can't be quantified on Google because, at the end of the day, friendship doesn't rank, it rocks.  :)

Aug 29, 2010 09:40 AM
"The Lovely Wife" The One And Only TLW.
President-Tutas Towne Realty, Inc. - Kissimmee, FL

Whoa...

I must disagree. No matter how big AR gets there's always a way to remain unique and true to yourself. You just gotta know how to do that :)

Most people can stay true to themselves by NOT following the crowd. Break away from it and create your own cloud crowd :)

TLW...ROAR!

Aug 29, 2010 11:22 AM
Elizabeth Cooper-Golden
Huntsville Alabama Real Estate, (@ Homes Realty Group) - Huntsville, AL
Huntsville AL MLS

Inna, First, let me tell you how wonderful it was to meet you, hubby Jon and Pap Jon.  What a beautiful family you have!  All 3 of you have the most beautiful souls and I was drawn to you immediately.

Quite some time back, I wrote an article about "those other branding places".  I had actually used them 3 years aog for a new logo...It was "okay" for the short term.  When I opened my company, I went back to "those places", spent a crap load of money for crap logos and ended up wasting time and money for nothing.  It's my own fault, trying to save on something that is SO very important....I'll never do that again, lol.  Or course I didn't end up using any of the crap they created.   It was 2nd rate at best.  Sure, I had 200 to choose from, but they were SO unprofessional and I have since seen a few floating around with other agents names on them!  I wouldn't have had my OWN marketing at all.  That would have been a nightmare, to say the least!

Every piece of branding material of yours has been beautiful.  I have seen several here in the Rain and OMG...I LOVE Debe's new logo and cards.  WOW girl :)

I can't wait to get started on my new ideas!  Looking forward to discussing with you this week girl!

Raincamp was worth it to me to see and meet so many wonderful people, but really wanted to meet some of the AR Gods :(

Aug 29, 2010 04:20 PM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408 - Daytona Beach, FL
Buy Daytona condos for heavenly good prices

@TLW,

Uniqueness can't be within anonymous, and the bigger we get, the more anonymous we become. While I think you can get it on individual level, like yourself, but it is unlikely AR as a whole can keep it undiluted

By the way, I put together a slide/video thingie, and there I coined a term "Pantograph" (unless somebody did it before, which I am not aware of) to describe the  historic event of pants signing.

It is my persent to you.

Aug 29, 2010 04:41 PM
Jeremy Blanton
Myrtle Beach Homes Blog - Myrtle Beach, SC
Myrtle Beach REALTOR®- myrtlebeachhomesblog.com

Out of all the stuff said here, on Petra's & everywhere else.  The one I agree with the most is Rich.  He is 100% correct:

...."sadly slipping away"....faster than we all realize, I'm afraid.....

For those who may forget, we both worked here... we do have a few connections along the way :)

Aug 29, 2010 06:26 PM
Jeremy Blanton
Myrtle Beach Homes Blog - Myrtle Beach, SC
Myrtle Beach REALTOR®- myrtlebeachhomesblog.com

And Inna- I am very dissappointed I didn't get any love... I guess I wasn't that memorable to meet there. 

Aug 29, 2010 06:30 PM
Inna Hardison
ha media group - Orlando, FL
Wordpress for Real Estate & Design, Print HaMedia Group

y apologies for the belated to all of the commenters I didn't yet address.  I hope AR stays up long enough now for me to rectify that:-)

Debe @35 & beyond - we should have asked your permission to drop your new designs into this post, but well - didn't.  So happy you like your new stuff!!

I love AR too for more or less the same reasons. The people, the interactions, the dialogue that emerges unbidden and leads to new ideas and discoveries.  Those are the things that made this place so worthwhile for so many of us.  It does strike me that the types of interactions and blogs that are encouraged by the network lately, and the few changes in the rewards system will and have already diluted the content of this site substantially.  I don't think it's so much about the size of the network as it is about how it is now percieved by the once joining this year.  They look at the features for clues of what gets the accolades.

The recommendations that are featured all too often are taken to heart by the newer bloggers, and those same types of recommendations were the turnoff for me at RainCamp.  The quantity over quality approach seems strangely anti-AR indeed, as Papa Jon said elsewhere.  I think that subtly or not, but there is a notable philosophy shift that will undoubtedly affect not just the content of the posts here, but the very substance of how members interact with each other.

Paul @36 - ditto...

Papa Jon@39 - these types of exchanges are still the rule on my blogs:-)  I am with you on shooting the breeze day.  We'll try to arrange one of those for NOLA - skip the convention and just hang with people we know and love from AR.  I agree with your sentiments, but you already know that.

Kim@42 - to just briefly reiterate what I said in an email - the heart and soul of AR precisely were missing.  Not just because the head honchos weren't there, but becuase the presentation almost entirely left out the Rain, less in those all important key word and seo examples, and those by and large went against my own internal guidelines for both, blogging and SEO.:-)  I don't expect everyone to do anything the way I do it, and i do firmly believe that the folks who went looking for a few magic bullets might feel they've gotten what they came for.  I am with you on the whle potlick AR thingy.  Just holler:-)

Lovely@43 - to an extent, I agree with you. That said, I highly doubt any of my blogs would have been read or seen by anyone on here had I joined today, simply becuase the kinds of conversations that took place then made it easier for me to find folks who stood for something than the largely homogenous mass of posts we are treated to nowadays.  Nor do I think I would find enough here now to hold my interest.  People and human stories do that for me.  Keywords - not so much.:-)  And i would have missed out on meeting you!

 

Aug 30, 2010 06:49 AM
Inna Hardison
ha media group - Orlando, FL
Wordpress for Real Estate & Design, Print HaMedia Group

Coop - I've no idea why it took me so long to find you, but I thrilled that I did:-)  I guess i'll hold our NOLA-Lisa responsible for not introducing us.  It was fantastic meeting you, and for some strange reason felt like we've known you forever...

I will go and hunt for that article of yours (you know, it's perfectly ok to link to stuff on my blog, less listings and gucci shoes).  In general terms though - don't get me wrong.  I have absolutely nothing against those places in much the same way I have nothing against Vista Print for printing or PennySavers and coupon books for advertising.  I do have a serious issue when someone pitches those places as somehting they are not, especially if that someone is holding a mic and a captive audience and is presented as an expert.  Calling these logo factories places where branding happens at all, whether remarkable or otherwise, is as ignorant as referring to Vista Print as a high end printing house, or to Top Ramen as gourmet meal.

Of course I belive Top Ramen in moderation will not kill one, and lousy branding absolutely has that potential on any competitive business, but that's a whole other story.  It would have been perfectly appropriate for Ben to refer folks to those factories if he didn't refer to them as "the best of the best designer working for you", but as the recyclable crap that it is.  We are not the best designers or marketers in the world, quite probably not even the best on AR, but I truly believe that any service provider who attempts to get to know their client on more than a surface level will be able to produce something unique for that client.  The details are in the level of talent and experience...

There are plenty of very good and talented members of this community who do graphics for a living AND contribute to AR.  If any resources were going to be mentioned - it should have been the Rain. 

All that aside - it was worth it to me to meet the people, not even a question.:-)

Jeremy - My sincere apologies.  Love you have, and I am quite happy we got to chat some.  Sorry for lack of link love. Will you take a virtual hug? xoxo

Aug 30, 2010 07:07 AM
Elizabeth Cooper-Golden
Huntsville Alabama Real Estate, (@ Homes Realty Group) - Huntsville, AL
Huntsville AL MLS

Enna- (Inna, lol)....I have wasted FAR too much money on "those other sites".  I learned my lesson the hard way, just as I do most things in life, lol.  I have a feeling you do as well?  

I am with you-it seems as if I have known you for the longest time.  I'm so thankful to Lisa as well...what took me so long to drink the ha media Kool aid?  I'm a believer now.  You guys are FULL of talent and I can't wait to be a part of it :)

Aug 30, 2010 02:21 PM
Paul Slaybaugh
Homesmart - Scottsdale, AZ
Scottsdale, AZ Real Estate

Pouting is unbecoming, Jeremy. Try wearing a monocle to make yourself more memorable.

Sep 01, 2010 09:20 AM
Jeremy Blanton
Myrtle Beach Homes Blog - Myrtle Beach, SC
Myrtle Beach REALTOR®- myrtlebeachhomesblog.com

I think next time I go I will make sure to wear my golashes as I might need them to wade through the mess that goes flying :)

Sep 01, 2010 09:35 AM
Inna Hardison
ha media group - Orlando, FL
Wordpress for Real Estate & Design, Print HaMedia Group

Hey kids - play nice:-)

Sep 01, 2010 09:38 AM
Tanya Nouwens
Immeubles Deakin Realty - Montreal West Island, QC
Montreal Real Estate Broker & Stager

OK well here's another take on why farming out your branding to 200 "top designers" every time you need something designed might be hazardous to your image: They're not gonna have your back, the way you, Inna, and Jon do. 

Because the fact is, you two actually care about your clients...personally.  You want us to shine, and to be ourselves and, perhaps most importantly in this realm, project an image that shows who we are as unique individuals and what we represent.  That's not something you're gonna get on the "eBay of branding", quite frankly. 

And in this crazy world, where over-stimulation and fluff without substance rule, where the shiniest thing often becomes the next biggest thing until the next sparkler comes out, I can't thank you enough for having my back and helping steer me and my brand.

Sep 03, 2010 02:44 AM
Debe Maxwell, CRS
Savvy + Company (704) 491-3310 - Charlotte, NC
The RIGHT CHARLOTTE REALTOR!

LOL at TLW and the cloud/crowd comment!  

And, Tanya--have you EVER received this level of customer service before?  I couldn't ASK for more--and Customer Service IS my specialty!

Hugs inna & Jon--I adore you both AND the work that you do.

Sep 04, 2010 08:35 AM
Inna Hardison
ha media group - Orlando, FL
Wordpress for Real Estate & Design, Print HaMedia Group

Tanya  - you've been missed in these parts:-)  Thank you for the kind (as always) words, and you've hit on something rather important... Having a person on the other end of ANY transaction is becoming a scarcity of sorts, and it's simply not something the "Ebay's of branding" can offer. 

Debe - hugs right back at you, dear lady, and so happy we were able to do something for you.  :-)

Sep 04, 2010 12:29 PM
Inna Hardison
ha media group - Orlando, FL
Wordpress for Real Estate & Design, Print HaMedia Group

Barbara - glad you discovered me too:-)  Contact away... That's what we are here for.  And thanks for the add to associates.

Sep 05, 2010 06:42 AM