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Does My Seller Think I Priced His Property Too Low?

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Real Estate Agent with Port St Lucie ReMax Properties in Port St Lucie for sale

 

I'm currently working with a seller who has a property that he inherited from his father.  The property is in rough shape and has basically been neglected for several years.  When I first saw the property I observed damage done by the hurricanes that hit our area of Florida in 2004 and 2005.  There were pieces of the pool screened enclosure still in the pool and 8 foot tall cattails growing in the pool!  The inside of the house still had items of clothing, personal belongings and even a can of peanuts sitting on the coffee table in front of the TV!

When I spoke to the seller he indicated that he was aware of the property condition and the personal items left in the home but said that he wanted to go ahead and put the property on the market anyway, as-is, and would come to clean out the house once the property was under contract.  I told him that was fine with me but that it would have to be priced to reflect the condition.

I did my market analysis and suggested a price.  He agreed to the price and signed the listing agreement.

Once on the market we started getting quite a few showings and very quickly had several (low) offers.  About this time the property hit the Realtor.com site and the seller showed the property on line to a few of his friends, one of whom is appraiser.  He called me, upset that the photos of the home showed the damage and clutter, and said that he was very disappointed that I had displayed it like that and that he was sure that no one would look at it with photos such as the ones I had posted!  He mentioned that his friends had made fun of him for the photos.  I reminded him that I had told him about the condition and the personal belongings in the house and that he had given the go ahead to put the property on the market, "as-is".  I also told him that the photos reflected the true condition of the property and that, despite the remarks his friends had made, we had already had quite a few showings and that I had been preparing information on estimated net(s) in order to call him and present the multiple offers!  He was stunned.  He ended up countering the offers and eventually we received yet another offer that came very close to his countered price.  

He then informed me that his appraiser friend had suggested that it might be a good idea to get an appraisal done because getting lots of showings and multiple offers might mean that I had under-priced the house!

We now have an accepted offer contingent on the SELLER getting an appraised value!  I am comfortable with my price and feel that it is at market value but am now waiting until the middle of next week to get the results from the appraiser in order to proceed.

 

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Bruce G. Hammond - Broker-Associate, REALTOR

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Kathleen "Kathy" Holbrook
Waterfront Realty Group Inc & SW Florida Realty Staging - Naples, FL

It is so frustrating to everyone involved when sellers, A. don't take the advice of their Realtor and B. thinks that as-is means leave the mess for someone else.

As a professional Home Stager, I have seen homes that I wonder what I am doing in because they are nice enough and then those that I have to wear gloves and a face mask to get past the front door. If sellers want a property to show like a castle, Home Stagers can oblige and make it so, photos and all... But if they think they are going to get "market value" for a cluttered mess they are sadly mistaken.

I applaud you for sticking to your principles and showing the house as is... But your commission reflects that as-is which isn't fair to you for all the work you have done to sell it.  You deserved a fair days pay for going above and beyond fora client that didn't appreciate your efforts.

Thanks for sharing...

 

Kathy...

SW FL Realty Staging

Aug 28, 2010 05:27 AM
Brian Rugg
Rugg Realty LLC Sun City Texas 512-818-6700 - Georgetown, TX
Sun City TX Real Estate - Georgetown, TX Real Est

Hello Bruce:

 

Sounds like it is priced and promoted correctly.  My personal bias is to have my photos put the property in the best possible light, without distorting the truth.  That said, you have given the seller exactly what he had hoped for.

Aug 28, 2010 05:30 AM
J. Philip Faranda
Howard Hanna Rand Realty - Yorktown Heights, NY
Associate Broker / Office Manager

What an upside down world we live in when you do a fantastic job and get multiple offers and instead of gratitude you get suspicion.

I'd like to take that appraiser out behind the wood shed.

Aug 28, 2010 09:32 AM
Melissa Zavala
Broadpoint Properties - Escondido, CA
Broker, Escondido Real Estate, San Diego County

Bruce: That's what happens when buyers and/or sellers begin to talk to everyone in town and take advice from everyone. I cannot tell you how many husband's brother's uncle's cousin's have told my sellers everything about real estate.

Aug 28, 2010 09:34 AM
Bryant Tutas
Tutas Towne Realty, Inc and Garden Views Realty, LLC - Winter Garden, FL
Selling Florida one home at a time

Don't you love it when people out of the area feel they know the value of a property better than we do? But what can you do? The seller having an appraisal done is a good idea. At least it will give peace of mind.

I have several listing that are not in good enough condition to take photos. So I just shoot photos of the exterior and the neighborhood. I also make it a habit of palcing all of the pics I take in a Picasa web album and emailing them to the seller so they can ask me to remove any they don't want shown.

Aug 28, 2010 09:37 AM
Bruce Hammond
Port St Lucie ReMax Properties in Port St Lucie for sale - Port St Lucie, FL
REALTOR - Port St Lucie Florida Real Estate Sales

I agree that properties should be photographed and shown in the best light possible.  I don't take photos of just the flaws but I don't want to entice buyers in with pretty pictures only to have them feel like they were deceived or misled about the true condition of the property. I've been listing a lot of foreclosure properties over the last three years and many of them are pretty neglected, vandalized and stripped of everything that's not nailed down (and some stuff that IS nailed down!).  It has definitely been appreciated by the local Realtors when I show both the positive and negative features of the properties.  I've even done virtual tours of properties in order to show the true condition.  I think both agents and their buyers appreciate this.  I understand that the seller, like the one in my post, might not always appreciate it but when I am told to go ahead and put a property on the market...I go ahead!

Bryant, I really like the Picasa web album idea.  Thanks!

Aug 28, 2010 10:00 AM
Fred Griffin Florida Real Estate
Fred Griffin Real Estate - Tallahassee, FL
Licensed Florida Real Estate Broker

Hi, Bruce. 

"I always ... make a joke about how Realtors ... take flattering pictures of their listings"

During our monthly Legal Update, our Board Attorney once warned us that photos that were photo-shopped, over-edited, or did not otherwise present the true condition of the property, could possibly be construed as false advertising / misrepresentation.

You did the right thing.

Aug 28, 2010 10:46 AM
Bruce Hammond
Port St Lucie ReMax Properties in Port St Lucie for sale - Port St Lucie, FL
REALTOR - Port St Lucie Florida Real Estate Sales

Fred,

I agree with your comment for sure!  If you start photo shopping your pictures where do you stop?  Should one change the color of the walls?  Add Furnishings?  How about landscaping?  Maybe one could do it if one put some kind of disclosure:  "Photos are the listing agents idea of how the property COULD look and are not necessarily representative of the true condition." :)

Aug 28, 2010 11:40 AM
Mark Ruda
Mark A Ruda - Fox River Grove, IL

I'm a broker and appraiser (IL), and if I remember my pre-license and CE courses correctly, the appraiser was out of line offering an opinion of value. He basically appraised your listing, Bruce, at more than the list price. And I'm guessing that "appraisal" was done without an inspection, interior or exterior, or pulling a single comp.

As for his opinion that multiple offers mean the home is under-priced, wrong again. It's competitively priced, and some of those offers came from bottom-fishers. It obviously was marketed well, even with the clutter in the photos that probably was unavoidable thanks to your seller's decision to wait until a contract to clean up.

I tell sellers that "under-pricing" a house is hard to do. At worst, it will generate a lot more activity (showings) and probably multiple offers. As soon as you can say "highest and best," the buyer's agents will help their clients drive up the offers to market value. It's the law of supply and demand at work.

The fact many of your offers were low-balls tell me you're in the ballpark. If your fax machine had exploded in the first week with offers at or above list price, I might have to agree with your seller's appraiser buddy, but a call for "highest and best" will allow your seller to get market value for his "as-is" listing in the shortest amount of time possible.

 

Aug 28, 2010 11:41 AM
Vince McEveety
Gilleran Griffin Realty - Sherman Oaks, CA

it's real simple

if the home was underpriced

seven offers at or above list price

in the first few days

plenty of money out there

Aug 28, 2010 12:21 PM
Donna Harris
Donna Homes, powered by JPAR - TexasRealEstateMediationServices.com - Austin, TX
Realtor,Mediator,Ombudsman,Property Tax Arbitrator

Man, it is so frustrating when people get others involved in matters that are none of their business!!

Aug 28, 2010 01:03 PM
Patricia Aulson
BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY HOME SERVICES Verani Realty NH Real Estate - Exeter, NH
Realtor - Portsmouth NH Homes-Hampton NH Homes

Thanks for getting this out to us today.

Patricia/Seacoast NH

Aug 28, 2010 02:54 PM
Vickie McCartney
Maverick Realty - Owensboro, KY
Broker, Real Estate Agent Owensboro KY

Hi Bruce~  Sometimes sellers think that we priced their property too low!  But, they don't seem to think that until others give their opinions and raise that shadow of doubt in the first place.  It happens and it is not a good experience when it happens! 

Aug 28, 2010 04:54 PM
Gabe Sanders
Real Estate of Florida specializing in Martin County Residential Homes, Condos and Land Sales - Stuart, FL
Stuart Florida Real Estate

Every one knows all about real estate, don't they.  They can all give us lots of advice.  Very little of any use though!

Aug 29, 2010 01:08 AM
Fernando Herboso - Associate Broker MD, & VA
Maxus Realty Group of Samson Properties - Clarksburg, MD
301-246-0001 Serving Maryland, DC and Northern VA

You are in a possible NO WIN SITUATION. .if the appraisal comes out much higher than your original suggested price, you can not dispute that. 

In the other hand if the appraisal comes lower. . you should write 10 posts about it and use it as a testimonial

 

There is no in between. .

Aug 29, 2010 01:45 AM
Rick Phillips
Appraisals Guaranteed - Alexandria, VA
Expert & Customized Valuations

Tell him to get an independent appraisal.  Let the appraiser be the "bad guy."  Also, tell him that it's not you who is being unkind but rather it's the market

Aug 29, 2010 05:49 AM
John Juarez
The Medford Real Estate Team - Fremont, CA
ePRO, SRES, GRI, PMN

The seller and friends saw the photos on Realtor.com. That leads me to wonder if the seller lives near the property. It does not appear that he was motivated enough to prepare the property for sale or that his friends knew about the condition of the property prior to seeing the photos. Their advice is worthless and meddlesome. Unfortunately, you have to deal with it. Your marketing plan garnered numerous showings, multiple offers and a contract that is satisfactory to the seller. That sounds like success to me. The only problem is that that seller is listening to his friends instead of the professional that he hired to sell the property.

Aug 29, 2010 06:06 AM
Bryan Robertson
Los Altos, CA

I would have been a little more selective about the photos I chose to post online.  Being honest about the condition is one thing but then there's "brual honesty" which may actually put the home in a bad light.  Selling as-is does not necessarily mean just putting a sign out front and opening the door.

I would have hired someone to come in and clean the place up, invested a few dollars in touching up the place, and then put it on the market.  If the price range is too low to justify the expense, then OK, but that's what I would have done.

Aug 29, 2010 07:07 AM
Mike Mayer
Mike Mayer, Broker/Owner - i List For Less Realty, LLC - Lafayette, LA

I agree with Bryan, #28. Your duty is to the Seller. What potential buyers might think shouldn't be your focus or priority. In fact, selecting such photos could be deemed a real disservice to your client and encourage lower than asking price offers.

Aug 29, 2010 10:53 PM
Bruce Hammond
Port St Lucie ReMax Properties in Port St Lucie for sale - Port St Lucie, FL
REALTOR - Port St Lucie Florida Real Estate Sales

UPDATE:

The property was listed at $49000.  The independent appraisal came in at $48000.  The offered price is a bit below that but the seller has now accepted the offer.

I had made him aware of the personal belongings scattered throughout the house but it was not until he (and, I suspect, his friends) saw the photos on line that he became concerned.  When we were initially discussing listing the property I actually suggested that we arrange to have the house cleaned but he declined because of the expense, said he would come to clean it out once we got a contract.

John Juarez:  The seller does not live near the property.  Property is in Florida, seller in New York.  He had not seen the property in a few years and had apparently forgotten what it looked like until he saw the photos.

Bryan Robertson:  I actually WAS selective about the photos I posted.  You should have seen the ones I didn't post!

Mike Mayer:  In Florida we are presumed to be acting as Transaction Brokers, owing limited fiduciary/loyalty to both parties.

Sep 02, 2010 03:03 AM