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The reBlog concept is a really good idea, if used properly. When we first launched it, that idea was that users could pass on information from their colleagues to their readers and put their own little spin on the content.

If you reBlogged a post, it was our intention that you would add some commentary to the start of the post so that your readers would be made aware of what it was exactly about the post that you found interesting. You would let your reader know why you chose to share this particular post.

Now you have to share something. Posts can no longer be reBlogged without adding 25 words of commentary to a reBlogged post.

So what do you think? Is 25 words enough? Should we require more feedback in order to reBlog a post? Do you think reBlogging is the dumbest thing of which you've ever heard? Do you have no idea what a reBlog is?

~Bob

 

202 Comments on reBlogs now require commentary

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31
2010
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Bob,

I think that a comment on why you think the post is reblog-worthy is a good thing.  Counting the words, not so good an idea. 

11:12am • #1
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At least 25 words should be the requirement Bob. A point a word is sufficient and should give enough notice it is a re-blog.

11:13am • #2
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I do think re-blogging is a good idea.  I don't do it that often, but it does let me shine a light on something someone else has summed up incredibly well.  There are also times, when I may not have seen the original post, but I saw it when someone I subscribe to re-blogs it.

I do like the idea of having to add commentary.  25 words is probably a good start.  To further combat the serial re-blogger, no ideas of their own folks, you might consider making re-blogging points count towards your 10 comment/day points. 

11:14am • #3
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Hi Bob.  I am new to ActiveRain, but I have already re-blogged a few times.  I like it and have added commentary to the reblog.  Why reinvent the wheel when a great blog already exists?  This is a fair requirement. Q

11:14am • #4
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Excellent way to up the quality of the re-blogged post. I think it could be a few more words, but 25 is something, at least!

11:14am • #5
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Bob -  I think it's reasonable to expect someone to add at least 25 words to a reblog.  It they're just reblogging for a few points or trying to hitch a ride on the "Google Train," then their efforts are meaningless. I've only reblogged a few times, but when I do, it's something I want to share with others who may have missed the original post; and I feel it only logical to explain why I've done so.

11:15am • #6
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Some folks signature line is more than twenty-five words!

But as long as they incorporate (at a minimum) 25 of their own words to tell why they've chosen to re-blog a post, that seems like a fair number.

11:16am • #7
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25 seems fair.  If we are going to reblog I thnk it is only fair to add some thoughts of our to the post...

11:18am • #8
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ANYTHING to ruin the day of the "serial-reblogger" is a good idea :)

11:19am • #9
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More than 25 words would be better in my opinion.  We need to articulate why we chose to re-blog and I think it would be great to add some additional insight or nugget of useful information to the post.  Otherwise I believe the AR "product" is going to be watered-down.

11:19am • #10
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Bob...

I like the idea of adding a commentary for the purpose of a re-blog. And in most cases, this is already happening.

BTW I love all of the recent changes on the platform. AR totally rocks!

11:21am • #11
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Good idea - I think 25 is too few words.  That would probably be almost 2 sentances.  I think that it should be at least 3 sentances - 50 words woudl probably do it.

11:23am • #12
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I noticed it last night when I reblogged a post.

I think it is great as it will keep out all the people who only reblog and make no comments.

25 words are good.

 

11:23am • #13

In one word. . . brilliant!

11:24am • #14
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Bob: I think counting words is ridiculous, bordering on stupid! When you do that, what you are saying is, "The longer you write, the better your writing is."

However, requiring commentary on the re-blogs is a terrific idea! I really hate re-blogs that don't have any commentary or intro from the re-blogger.

11:26am • #15
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Great Idea.  The people who just reblog other's blogs with zero comments, is wrong.  

11:26am • #16
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Putting a minimum limit on the number of words is a good thing. I've reblogged a few times. I don't just look for post to re-blog, but if it is something that consumers should know, I reblog it.

11:27am • #18
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It should give the ones who just reblog without comment some pause. After all, it's just about the points...right!

Rich 

11:29am • #19
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Adding your own two cents in when reblogging is a must and can only second John Mulkey's comment.

11:31am • #21
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I like the reblogs.  Sometimes I've missed the original blog and catch it on the reblog. 

11:35am • #22
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I mostly only Re-Blog content written for consumers and I have always added commentary.  I did not add 25 words the other day... I was Re-Blogging Debbie Gartner who does great flooring posts... I probably said too succinctly something about "here's another post from Debbie, blah, blah, blah..."   but I fleshed it out easily.

The serial Re-Bloggers with no commentary did not bother me much.  I mean you could see that was all they were doing....

 

11:36am • #23
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Yes reblog with commentary is almost a common sense, but I guess it is not very common to have common sense... 250 words is good I think.

11:37am • #24
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25 words should adequately introduce the topic and provide a tease to get it read! Good decision!

11:39am • #26
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Requiring a good minimum will prevent people from reblogging without adding any value.  A think people have figured out that reblogging can be useful but without limits the system will be abused.

11:39am • #27
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Hi Bob, I feel that this is a fair request. When you add the verbiage it will usually equate to 25 words or more. Great idea.

11:41am • #28
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I'm not sure about 25 words. Sometimes, that's too many. If one can write a good paragraph, why dont they just write their own post?

11:44am • #29
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I agree! At a minimum, your own commentary should allow your own blog reader to understand why you thought it was important to include someone else's thoughts, right?

11:44am • #30
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Hmmm...  I have to totally agree with it.  If someone LOVES your blog, and wants to repost it...  Let us know why!  :)

11:44am • #31
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Bob,

Generally, I don't reblog, but some of my posts are reblogged. It should contain some commentary. I think 25 words is enough. In some cases, there is not a whole lot more to say. So, I wouldn't increase it beyond that, or it might defeat the purpose.

Brian

11:45am • #32

Hi Bob,

Twenty five words and twenty five points to "keep it real" sounds great!

11:45am • #33
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Excellent, Bob. The fact that folks could just take 2 seconds to hit a reblog button and say nothing drove me nuts. I  am glad there is a word requirement so folks don't jsut say GREAT POST. I actually think a longer word requirement would make sense so the reader know WHY the writer chose that reblog - it's a chance for the write to add their perspective.

Jeff

11:46am • #34
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I think 25 words is not enough and that 50 is better. Why? Because if only 25 words are required, then from serial re-bloggers we’ll likely start seeing:

“I found this article very informative. I wanted to share it with you. It is a great post. I am sure you will enjoy it.”

There… 25 words. (Hmmm… Maybe I should trade mark those phrases?) ;)

11:48am • #35
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I like it - I like to add SOMETHING, although lots of items I reblog are so great they don't need anything added...it's like gilding the lily.

11:49am • #36
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I feel out of respect to the original author it is the least we can do to explain why we are reblogging.  Some posts take quite a bit of time to put up---25 words seems like the least we can do.

11:56am • #37
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Its a great tool, i agree it should start with your own voice

11:58am • #38
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A 25 minimum seems very fair. I have seen some where they don't even make a comment at all. Unless you look closely, you might not even realize that it is a re-blog.

11:59am • #39
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Good morning Bob,

Reblogging is a great feature.  Using reblogs I've been able to bring excellent information, posted in the past, to the attention of ActiveRain newbies.

I agree with this new rule.  If you reblog, you should point out why you are reblogging.

Being a man of few words, a 25 word commentary works for me!  :)

12:00pm • #40
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This is a great idea, 25 words is a minimum for sure. Another progressive move by AR.

12:01pm • #41
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Why do other people continue to have opinions, when mine is always right? =)

12:08pm • #42

I have only one thing to say, but I'll say it 25 times:

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12:08pm • #43
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you guys are always thinking & it's only fair to share WHY you're sharing the post...25 words at a minimum is my vote & perhaps only give them the same number of points as a comment.  I do it rarely but there are times the information needs to be heard far & wide...

12:11pm • #44
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I think reblogging is a very cool option. There are some great posts that don't get featured that get a second lease on life with the reblogging!  Requiring at LEAST 25 words for comments is a sound move! 

12:11pm • #45
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I think 50 words should be the minumum to make it make meaningful.

Also, I think there should be a requirement to post it to groups the make sure the word gets widely shared which is one of the primary goals of a reblog IMHO.

This would also condition members to use groups more often, which currently is sometimes underutilized.

12:13pm • #46
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Perhaps the implementation of the 25 word requirement will get the attention of those who do not provide any commentary.  If not, you can increase down-the-line.

Reblogging is brilliant as it gives us a chance to share valuable insights from across the country to our home towns readers while giving exposure to those who write rebloggable posts.

And, #46 has a good point re posting to groups.

12:13pm • #47
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Hi Bob...Absolutely require a minimum of 25 words (maybe more).  Whenever I have reblogged someones post it has been because I found the information valuable.  I try to convey that in my commentary.  Makes sense to me.

No problem for me anyway.  I'm seldom at a lose for words.

Kate

12:17pm • #48
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I like the idea of requiring some kind of commentary but, as someone else said, counting the number of words seems a little silly. How 'bout let em re-blog it but don't give any points for it unless it's at least 25 words. Gets rid of those who do it just for the points.

But then I don't really have a horse in the race since I think I've only re-blogged maybe 2-3 times ever.

12:22pm • #49
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I always write a commentary before re-blogging.  I just assumed everyone did.  I think it's good to have the requirement of at least 25 words though.

12:24pm • #50
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We've seen featured posts that were around 25 words, so requiring that much for a reblog isn't too much to ask, is it?

12:29pm • #51
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I usually write a comment or two about the article I am reblogging but I never counted the words. I'm okay with the idea. I like to reblog a good post or two.

12:30pm • #52
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I so love this idea! It may put a damper on those who hate to post their own content...

12:32pm • #53
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Bob,

I always add a comment. but not always 25 words - sometimes less and sometimes more. I think we're going to get into a compliance issue rather than a quality one. How many letters does each word have to be - more than 2, 3, 5? What constitutes a word? I'd eliminate the number and just make it a requirement to add a comment. :)

Steve

12:35pm • #54
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I ran into the new requirement yesterday or the day before.  While I did have more than 25 words to say about that one I think some re-blogs might speak for themselves and not require much commentary.  So I'm not sure a word count is appropriate. 

12:40pm • #55
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I think it should be up to the person that does the re-blog. But, that's me.

Besides, isn't the real worry in the edit feature? I mean I could go in and take someone else's blog, re-blog and edit it to include me, me and me. Maybe I change a few words do a copy and paste and bingo I just made a blog post. NOT THAT I'VE DONE THAT, but the system does seem ripe to that kind of nonsense.

What do you think? Can you change the edit feature when someone does a re-blog?

12:41pm • #56
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Hmmm... 25 word intro? Let me think about that. Sometimes a single sentence is the best introduction. I wonder if a 25 word requirement would really do any more to limit abuse than 10 words. I think that several of my re-blogs contained a relatively short intro, but I've had followers and others thank me for the info I posted.

12:41pm • #57
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I think are right on, Bob. There are some really smart Realtors out there with some great ideas and experiences. These should be shared with others.  25 words is about right.

12:44pm • #58
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I'm good with teh 25 words of commentary...  It gives credit where credit is due...and it validates the value of the blog.  Glad you added the requirement. 

12:45pm • #59
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Go for it. I think that if it's worth reblogging that there should be something to support why they believe it should be reblog worthy. 25 words is not so much....unless you're one of the folks that just reblog for the points.....and only say....good post. :)

12:46pm • #60
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I was just waiting for AR to intercede.  All too frequently people would just re-blog for the points which was evident when subscribing to their blog.  Expressing ideas to the blog provides the reader with content as to why it is being re-blogged.  BTW, what happened to your picture?

12:55pm • #62
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Not nearly enough words.  Shucks.  Many will have that in their footer alone.

An ActiveRain post is about 136 characters.  The average content will have an average of 5-6 characters per word.  We're talking about a mere one line of content with 25 words. 

Not nearly enough.  Without 2-3 lines of content, there is no reason to believe that the Re-Blogger even read the post.

12:57pm • #63

I guess I'm not sure what the real issue is. I don't see any reason to put a rule/requirement on the spread of useful info that maybe helpful/useful to others.  If the issue about AR points and abuses then simply don't give any points for re-blogging.

1:02pm • #64
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I reblogged a post the other day that only required 16 words which would have been more than sufficient.  I felt that I had to make up something just to fill the requirement.

1:03pm • #65
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I think it's a good idea because evidently you've had some people not following the rules right? I always did put in a sentence or two - even a picture - to make my point.  You should have mentioned to thank the original poster.  I also am shocked sometimes how people are just not reading & thank 'me' for writing the reblog!  Yikes, I always correct them & put the credit where it is due.

I must be living with a bucket on my head as I never see this stuff. I catch a bunch of other stuff though!

 

1:08pm • #66
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Bob I was wondering when someone at ActiveRain would discuss this.  I agree - 25 words or more (no more than 50) is fine.  In respect for the Author of the Blog, who took the time to write it in the first place, we should have a commentary if we plan to reblog it.  Go for it.   Shall we "reBLog" this article?

1:09pm • #67
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25 sounds good. If someone likes the information they read and want to share it to people in their sphere of influence, 25 words or so should do the trick. If someone disagrees with a point, agrees with a point, or has a different spin, I'm sure they'll go way beyond that.

1:10pm • #68

Gregory,

That is a loophole that needs to be closed. I will ask the developers to take a look at it sooner rather than later. Thank you for bringing this up.

Everyone,

Great comments so far. Thank you for your feedback.

1:14pm • #69
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I think this is a wonderful idea.  Hopefully it will put an end to those who try to pass it off as their own and don't say ANY words.

And of course we should have reblogging.  I love to find great content from home inspectors, lenders and people outside my field to share with my readers.  Reblogging ROCKS (when used properly)

 

1:16pm • #70
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Reblogging keeps the points of the writer traveling and if more and more reblogging happens, then it must be an important/relevant subject  

1:18pm • #72
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Great idea! Needed in most cases I have seen as well.  Just did a re-blog & saw the "25 words needed" comment. I like it!

1:19pm • #73
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Bob.,... 

  I think this is an excellent step in the right direction.. but I agree with Lenn Harley, comment #63... is 25 words very weak?  Not enough to even tell everyone why it was a good post and that it is a reblog...  maybe 40 words.

Overall, you and I talked about this, about 2 years ago when you first introduced reblogging.... and I was very adamant that many would abuse this and or not know that it was a reblog in the first place, even if someone left an introduction comment.  Not everyone reads everything... sad, though it seems to be true. But back to my point... you said that you were going to highlight the orifinal author with a picture that would appear when reblogging it and that the link back to the original author would be much larger... right now, the reblog link looks like this...

Via Jeff Belonger-The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans ( - FHA Home Loans - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc):

 

I think it should be this big .. at least... and you had even brought it up once and said that you all were working on it... I know that there are other things that are more important at times, that take precedence...

Jeff BelongerVia Jeff Belonger-The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans ( - FHA Home Loans - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc):

 

I think making the linger larger and adding the original authors picture.. with a mandatory introduction would be awesome... considering that some will abuse the introduction in any case...

In regards to Gregory's comment... is he saying that you could go into the authors post when reblogging and change somethings?  I thought this was a bug once before... but didn't know that it could actually happen...

 

thanks and again, great idea and it's nice to see Active Rain on top of some things...

jeff belonger

2:09pm • #74
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I'd make it 50 words. Twenty five words is nothing--all you have to say is: "Here's a great post from Joe Blow from ABC Realty on refinancing a home. Makes some good points. I think you ought to read it."

Beyond that, I think all reblogs should allow comments. There was a repost yesterday and I was surprised at the factual inaccuracies in the initial blog. Being a relative newbie here, I wrote a comment up and attempted to post it--only to see that the reblogger didn't allow comments. That's kind of like allowing someone to pass along rumors or gossip, and having no chance to rebut it. So I went back to the original posting and put my comments there. But the reblog stands pristine and unchallenged.

2:12pm • #75
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Bob - Whenever we re-blog we always make some sort of complimentary statement about the blog and it's writer... To me it's just common sense and courtesy that you would do something like that. It think it's a fine idea of 25 words cause I already do that..... but that's just me....

2:19pm • #76
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Personally, I don't like to reblog and have done it just a couple of times. If/when I see a blog post with a topic I like, I like to write my own post with my own thoughts and opinions for my readers.

I see too many people completely filling their blogs with other people's posts, so it would be nice to see something with a limit, like an individual person can't reblog more than 3 times a week or something like that.

2:21pm • #77
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Bob - 25 points for 25 words is reasonable and should acknowledge the original author as a compliment.

2:32pm • #78
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Bob  There should be a minimum, but if you make it too high you may as well write your own post.

2:35pm • #79
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Whether it's 25 or 100 words, people will always find a way around it. Getting around the "reblogging for points" issue is simple, don't give points. The 'reward' in reblogging should be that you get to quickly and easily share some quality content written by someone else, not that you get 25 points.

2:39pm • #80
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Bob - I think counting words is silly. I understand wanting to discourage serial bloggers, but I really don't care why someone re-blogged a good post if I see it when I might have missed it. People who game the system will always find a way around it. I would rather see a limit to the credit given for number of posts one person can re-blog each day, much like the comments are limited to ten. Two or three re-blogs a day should be plenty. More is probably point fishing.

Requiring comments just encourages more mindless verbiage, I believe. If you like the post, it should stand on it's own with no introduction. If someone wants to write that it is an awesome post, fine, but we already presume they thought enough of it to re-blog it!

Just limit the number of reblogs for credit, that should do it.

2:53pm • #81
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Commentary and proper credit to the original author should be a mandatory part of reblogging, however, I think whether it's 25 words or 100 words, we'll still see the canned commentary used over & over by reblog abusers...copy & paste, simple. I leave what I think is appropriate which is usually too verbose and over 25 words. :) jay

2:56pm • #82
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Hi Bob -

1. You shouldn't put any word restrictions on the re-blog. It can be a simple re-blog to get the information out for whatever reason. The author of the original blog has already granted permission for this. Give your customers the flexibility and freedom to make their own rules.Who are you? Obama? ;)

2. I love the re-blog feature as I tend to comment on ideas or blogs I disagree with and the Author either calls you guys to complain, deletes my comments or disables comments! So I like the fact that I have control over the debate and give my opinion about the subject matter without censorship!

3. It's easy to fix the loophole that Gregory mentioned. All you have to do is to create a trigger that captures the original blog content as an embeded object which gets automatically attached to the new re-blog. That way the embeded object cannot be modified and if the original blog is gone, the content will still be there in the re-blog. Right now you are bringing all the information into the re-blog as an editable object.

It looks like you guys need a great database administrator with business development skills as everything you guys are doing seems difficult for you. Also, why do you need downtime for system maitenance? I take it that you don't have a disaster recovery plan estabilshed yet. ;)

Thanks for Activerain. Someone in your company has a great vision. I hope it continues to grow and I advocate this website to all agents I come across.

Regards,
Satar

2:59pm • #83

I agree with John #80....no points at all for reblogging....if I like a post I will comment on it and reblog it because I think it has substance.....I hate it when you look at some people and they don't blog at all...just re-blog for points to climb the ladder

3:01pm • #84
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Some of the comments had me LOL.  Thanks Craig, Charles and Russel.  I agree that there should be a requirement to tell people why you thought this particular blog should have a second trip around the block.  Personally I've reblogged very little, but when I do, I'm passionate about it and why I thought it important.

I'm in the camp of 25 words being too few.  I think an interesting experiment would be to allow the reblog with 25 words but not give points for it with fewer than 50.  I suspect you'll find a lot of folks with exactly 50 words in their prologue -- or maybe 51. 

I do get reblogging now but didn't quite understand the point when it was first started.  There have been a number of great posts I've missed on the first go round.

3:11pm • #85
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I think that is an excellent idea.  When people don't write any content themselves and only re-blog from others, it spoils their image as far as I'm concerned.  I don't think they realize or understand that there is certain etiquette.  It's like when you are bowling and a person in the lane next to you doesn't know to wait. 

25 or 100 words is fine with me.  If I need to write 25, I'll end up writing 100 cause once I get going.... well.

3:16pm • #86
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25 words is perfect...usually when I reblog something I think the author did a fantastic job of stating their case. It usually doesn't require more from me. This is a great new rule!

3:31pm • #87
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Good idea, however many words you choose it will never be right, some will want more, some will want less. But the concept is a good idea.

3:48pm • #88
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I'd make it 50 words, because you'll get the robotic point sluts to come up with some generic cut and paste pablum to use without real commentary.

I'd also suggest automatically disabling comments so the re=poster doesn't siphon off reader comments. Some do that voluntarily but I'd be for making it part of the deal. 

3:50pm • #89
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I'm not sure why someone would re-blog.  Maybe they can't think of anything that day, or love the concept of the blog,  so they want to somehow make it their own.  I guess thats good.  I would rather take it and make it completely my own, but source that other person's blog.

3:51pm • #90
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Bob - I like the concept. There should be some kind of commentary on why the post is being reblogged, perhaps why the person agrees, or disagrees if that is the case. And maybe just some additional info. 25 word minimum is ok with me.

3:52pm • #91
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I really APPRECIATE you doing this. I have noticed some of my posts getting re-blogged with NO comment or introduction or explanation from the re-blogger, which makes me wonder if they even READ my post. In the meantime, it looks like they are blogging and providing useful information to their clients.

So, I say this is long over-due and sad that it has to be required in the first place.

4:03pm • #92
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Comment word count is irrelevant.  Some people are more elegant in 6 words than others are in 100 words.  And I can copy/paste a 100 word "templated" comment into a reblog intro as quickly as I can copy/paste 25, or 35, or 50 words of blather to garner my Righteous 25 Pointeroos...

The quality of the content of the comment offered by the reblogger reflects MUCH more on the reblogger than any arbitrary word count benchmark.

But, it is great to know that you guys are watching and care!

4:17pm • #93
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Thank goodness! I think a lot of people were trying to build a blog with the work of others. This at least forces them to show some input.
4:25pm • #95
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I think reblogging is a good idea - a way to share great information. I too think that some introductory comments should be required and 25 words doesn't seem like asking too much.

4:32pm • #96
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I love reblogging great ideas and information and am flattered (and appreciative) when others re blog my posts.  I do think we should be required to add commentary of at least 25 words.

4:54pm • #97
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Bob:  Great idea.  There are many Rainers who abuse the Re-blog terribly.  Some, that's all they do.  Right now I believe the limit on reblogging is either ten a day, or ten a week... I don't remember.  But, whatever it is... it is abused. Too many folks just re-blog, and do not write original posts.

So, this in an improvement.  Adding a 25 word original comment to introduce the re-blog ?  Also a good idea.  Make it fifty.  It is content that is Queen, here... and just slushing along a blog post in a re-blog... without any attendant comment, is silly.

As far as comment # 93 is concerned, sure, someone can write up a generic re-blog intro, and just copy and paste it into every re-blog he does, but after awhile, that is very noticeable, and after awhile... the writer of that canned re-blog intro starts to look either lazy, or foolish, or both.

There are enough folks who go through their "ten comments" just making the same doggone ten-word copy-and-paste comments... ten times.  I know we cannot over-police, here... but, thank goodness, those folks who DO copy and paste the same silly comments... begin to look very, very foolish to many of the rest of us... and they don't even know it.

There is even one Rainer, who writes posts, and has four of his doobies make the same old ten-word copy and paste comments on HIS blog posts.  He gives quick answers to each of their copy-and-paste comments... so he starts off many of his posts... with eight comments right "off the bat..." so to speak.

OK... back to my own post writing.  Great idea, here.  See... I CAN... agree with you... <smile>

4:59pm • #98

Comment for reBlog is awesome, and I think 25 words is enough.  Great idea!!

5:16pm • #99
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Minimum of 25 words seems fine ! We've got to be careful that we don't add too much length or we could lose readership !

5:22pm • #100
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I like the idea of a comment. I think the least someone can do is comment as to why using someone else's comment is worthy of re-blogging. Having a number of word requirement makes someone think more about what the lead-in comment should be. There are times I spend quite a bit of time putting blog comments together - I certainly don't think it's asking too much to have to find the words to explain why the re-blog is relevant.

5:31pm • #101
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I'd go with 25 words minimum, lest it becomes another blog. You don't want 2 blogs in one post.

 

Jane Pacheco

5:34pm • #102
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Bob, Not sure why you think adding commentary should be required. What difference does it make? Folks will still reblog but now they'll just add some nonsense to reach the word requirement. Is it about the points? Or is just to try and stop folks from doing nothing but reblogging? Personally I see it as a non issue. But hey that's just me.

I'm all for reeblogging in whatever form it takes.

5:53pm • #103
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OK I went back and read the comments. Why do we care what someone chooses to put on THEIR blog? ActiveRain is a bunch of individual blogs that just happen to scroll together on the main page. But why should we care if someone wants to fill their blog with reblogs? It doesn't affect us as idividual members does it? Maybe I'm just missing something.

6:00pm • #104
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25 words seems like it should be a bare-bones minimum.  Of course it's much better than the average "zero" that many people currently use. 

(by the way... THAT was 25 words).

6:10pm • #105
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Bryant, it just clogs up the system when folks fill up their blogs with re-blogs.  But, I think adding comments can put a personal perspective (interesting, I just miss-spelled that word, and it came out peer-spective)... which makes sense as well.

But... starting out a re-blog by giving your reasoning or slant on it... as to why you think it is good enough to re-blog... adds some credibility to the re-blog.

6:11pm • #106
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I think that 25 words is a decent minimum......50 might be more appropriate.  A lot of people just want the 25 points.

7:00pm • #107
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I don't reblog often - only the ones I feel are appropiate for my base and/or really good content like one yesterday. I always write a few words or so saying why I'm re-blogging.  25 -30 words sounds good to me.  It's a re-blog not another post.

Seriously - folks re-blog for points? Are you kidding me?  Take the points away and see how many re-blogs these folks are doing.  I bet it goes down dramatically if the only reason reblogging is for  points.

7:25pm • #108
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Twenty-five words is just one or two full lines.

Fifty words would only be three or four lines. 

Placing the cut-off at 50 would seem to be a bare minimum.

Because you see this comment is only fifty words...and it's nothing at all.

Right?  Right!

Right as Rain.

7:28pm • #109
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I love this idea! I reblog specifically to get a good post out there to my outside blog and I always write a small commentary. 25 words is not hard to do.

7:38pm • #110
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Great idea, but maybe 50-75 words?  I've seen so many blogs that are nothing be re-blogs with zero intro.  So this hopefully will deter that practice.

7:39pm • #111

I agree with adding words to explain why you are choosing to re-post but 25?  You might get people just being wordy to get to the 25 words.  Sometimes less is more!

8:16pm • #112
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Bob, after reading more of the comments that mentioned it, perhaps taking away the points for re-blogging will take care of it.  That way... no silly parade of re-blogs... but ONLY the ones that actually have to do with the purpose of re-blogging... just sharing the information we think needs to be shared.  Just a thought.  I don't know if that would totally kill rebogging, or what.

8:19pm • #113
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I am adding my 25 word spin on each one now. I am selective about which ten posts I reblog each week but now I add my two cents in the pile.

8:43pm • #114
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Bob - It's just not that big of a deal. 25 words is perfect. What I don't like to see is the "Only rebloggers". When I choose to see if it is a person that I want to add as an associate or a subscriber. If the majority of their blogs are re-blogs I do not friend them.

But the point is we do need re-blogs. And people should tell you a little something as to why they are re-blogging. There are many blogs that I miss if it is not re-blogged.

9:05pm • #115
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I don't re-blog much but when I do I always state why I am re-blogging.  I would say that if you can't put together 25 words you should not get the 25 points.  In fact I think it should be more like 50 words.

9:36pm • #116
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I don't know much about the points system, so excuse my ignorance. Re-blogs should be awarded only half the points as an original blog. (Perhaps they do receive less points, I don't know) Also, there should be no comments allowed on the re-blog, as many conveniently "claim" the blog as their own by answering commenters as if they actually wrote it. Comments on the blog, should be directed at the original blog.

9:37pm • #117
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Make it 50 :)  I love the idea of the reblog in case I need something for my outside blog!

9:41pm • #118
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The best way to stop this is NOT TO GIVE ANY POINTS for reblogging. . We get the benefit of reblogging by giving fresh content for our base.

The reason you are doing this is because people are points hungry and are reblogging just for the points. .

clogging up the system and diluting the message 

 

Take the points away and that will stop .. as a matter fact that will increase the quality of the reblogs

9:54pm • #119
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I think that adding 25 words is reasonable.  I can't think of one that I didn't add that many words to, but there probably is one... 

Also, it might be nice to have an easier way to kill comments on the reblog and direct them back to the original post if appropriate.

9:55pm • #120
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9:58pm • #121
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25, 50 - that's fine.  I think that the original author needs to be identified by name and thanked in the reblogger's comment!  No name, no gracias = no points.  Can a program be written to monitor that?

Also, disable reader comments on reblogs.  25 points for a gracious reblog, that's it.

10:00pm • #122
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Bob, I have a suggestion.  First, I think 25 words could be enough.  If you wanted more than that, say 50, it would make more sense as a blogger to just write a new post with a link to the first one.  Second, I think it would be good to add points to the original blogger for comments that get posted for the reblog. 

My 2 cents!

10:20pm • #123
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Bob.. back again... been reading the rest of the comments...  I think a great point is giving no points to those reblog.  Their reward is the google juice from some excellent posts...

Another point... no, don't automatically disable comments... give that choice to the person reblogging. I like going back to those that reblog me and not only thank them, but to read the other comments... and most of all, gives me a good idea of who follows them at times... and because some of those same people wouldn't go over to the original blog anyhow...

Lastly... back to my comment # 74... I just wanted to add this again, because this is my biggest pet peeve... and I was hoping that this was changed by now.  I even did a post about a year ago, things that people wanted to see changed on AR... I mentioned this and most agreed with it, making it the #1 choice of members.

 

Not everyone reads everything... sad, though it seems to be true. But back to my point... I think making the link larger.. here is how it looks now.

Via Jeff Belonger-The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans ( - FHA Home Loans - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc):

 

I think it should be this big .. at least... and you had even brought it up once and said that you all were working on it... I know that there are other things that are more important at times, that take precedence...

Jeff BelongerVia Jeff Belonger-The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans ( - FHA Home Loans - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc):

 

I think making the link larger and adding the original authors picture.. with a mandatory introduction would be awesome... considering that some will abuse the introduction in any case...

thanks...

jeff belonger

10:27pm • #124
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I like the re-blog when used correctly.  I always do an intro to a re-blog and I always thank someone who reblogged my post.  I guess if AR wants to implement a 25 word commentary intro, I don't have a problem with it.    In my personal opinion, one who does not add a commentary to a reblog must have nothing of value to add.....I'm just sayin....

10:47pm • #125
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Bob I am glad and have on previous email explain my opinion on re-blogging to you. I think when done properly the reblog enhances the community. With no explanation of the perceive value of the re-blog is not a good thing.

I am happy with this policy change on Reblog feature here on AR.

10:52pm • #126
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Bob,

Maybe I just don't get the motivation behind the 25 word requirement. I though my own blog on the topic was appropriate. Here it is.

11:05pm • #127
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Bob - it seem fair to me since it was always the intention that you provided commentary to go along with the reblog

11:38pm • #128
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Bob,

Great. Let it be 25 words, at least not that crazy reblogging without even reading the post. It really happened.

Patricia Kennedy has a good suggestion, but I do not think it is technically feasible.

I would love to see that comments from the reblog are not counted for extra points like from the original blog.

I have seen here people doing one after another 10 reblogs, because it is easier to do than comments, and the added bonus was that if you get 1 or 2 comments, you get extra points.

But anyway, points or no points, it is a good requrement

11:46pm • #129
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I don't reblog for points... I reblog to get the word out a particular topic... I am fine with the requirement to add your own "spin" on the reblog... I have done missing persons... and experts in mortgages, home inspections, missing kids etc. where those I reblog had much more expertise in a given subject that I have.

11:52pm • #130
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Patricia Kennedy (123) is on to something. I wish there were a way to redirect all comments on reblogs back to the original post. I would like to see all of the responses on a hot topic I get into. I know that may not be technically possible.

It seems polite to disable comments on a post that you have reblogged, so I actually don't think a reblog should get any points for comments. In fact, I'm not sure a reblog itself should get points...

11:56pm • #131
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I don't re-blog at all...I like my own content.  I don't like it when someone else gets points when they reblog my post.  The original author should get the points...not the one who used the original content. IMO.

11:58pm • #132
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I have reblogged a couple of times posts which I thought were outstanding and seemingly not getting a lot of attention (or at least comments).  I love the 25 word requirement - wouldn't mind it being 50 words!

12:14am • #133
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Bob, fortunately I do know what a reblog is (yeah for me). I feel 25 words of commentary is appropriate – in fact, a reblog without a commentary does not make much sense at all IMO.

12:14am • #134
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I do occasionally reblog, however, I do not like the footers that carry over on the reblog. I think it looks very very cluttered to have the reblog footer and then my automatic one. It becomes very confusing to the consumer as well.

I agree with having the "VIA .... " larger to the reader; that way they know right away who wrote the original post.

IMHO, points should be awarded to encourage reblogging. A reblog not only helps the one doing it but exposes the author to a whole new audience. It's a win win for both and one way to keep good posts going is to give rebloggers points.

12:16am • #135
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Personally, I don't think twenty-five (25) words is nearly enough, Bob. I've been a crusader in this particular aspect of Active Rain for some time.

By the way, the above comments are 25 words - not nearly enough to introduce a topic.

The number of re-posts for mere points acquisition is rampant. I often see it time and time again: a member goes in, selects 10 blogs, re-posts them in succession, none of which offer a lead-in or reason for the re-blog. 

If you're going to assign re-blog points, and if the blog is TRULY WORTH re-posting, an introduction of 75-100 words should be MINIMAL. If one isn't capable of "taking ownership" or taking a few moments to include "why" the blog is being re-posted, then don't.

12:21am • #136
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A commentary of 25 words is reasonable for a re-blog.  I re-blog on occasion and always make a comment at the beginning of the post so hopefully the reader sees that I am recognizing someone else for their worthy posting!

12:28am • #137
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Those that have abused the points system will merely "copy and paste" something like:

"I came across this blog. This is a great article and offers a wealth of information on the subject matter. I hope you all enjoy".

-That's EXACTLY 25 words and doesn't offer a darn bit of useful information!

12:28am • #138
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I have always written a commentary along with re-blogs if you don't it seems like you are just stealing that person's Blog and sticking your name on it even if it does have a little line that says via.....Points is no big deal, you only get 25 points for a reblog which is the same amount of points for commenting on a blog.  If you are going to impose a minimum for re-blogs are you also going to require a minimium on the comments????  I have read through others mention here and part of the problem is the bullet bloggers who just comment the same thing on 10 posts for the day with short cut and paste comments 

Active Rain is a forum of sharing and commenting on insightful information not just slam bam thank you man stuff! 

1:01am • #139
Called Shot Master

I think 25 words just about anyone should be able to come up with and it won't dilute the original ideas in the post.  Some of them don't really need a comment, because they are perfect.

2:33am • #140
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There is someone in Los Angeles County that has over 200,000 points that seems to do nothing but reblog other people blogs.  I think that reblogging sometimes make sense if someone says something really unique, but I think the purpose of a blog should be to write about something original on your own. I agree that if someone reblogs,  the original blogger information should be much more prominent to make it very clear that it is a reblog and not original content.

3:14am • #141
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Great idea.  Where;s the "like" button?

4:45am • #142
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25 works for me...it's wordless...speechless...foolish that doesn't sooo much...

5:41am • #143
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Someone will always find a way around the 25 words but at least it's SOMETHING to contribute to the original post!  Thanks becuase the rash of reblogs (just reblogs) was really outta hand!

Wake Forest NC House Chick

6:31am • #144
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Bob - I think it is a good idea to require an intro to the reblogs.  I have seen too many people reblog with no comment and many commentators on the reblog do not realize that it is a reblog.  25 words seems appropriate to earn the 25 points since you receive 200 points for writing a 200 word post.

6:52am • #145
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Disabling comments on commentary? 

           That seems a little extreme to me.  So, I reblog a post and add the required 25 or 50 or 100 words of pithy commentary, not just requirement-meeting blather, but truly pithy commentary.  And folks propose that a reader must go to the original post to comment on my commentary?  I do not think that would be logical.  It would not productively advance the tangential conversation or improve the reblog concept.

Eliminate points for reblogging or commentary on reblogging? 

      Whatever.  Reblogging ain't about the points.  At least it isn't for most normal contributing AR members.  Good reblogging is certainly about spreading the thought, and thoughts on the thought, and the opportunity for conversation.  But, shouldn't a member reap the same reward for a great comment in a reblog conversation that they would in another conversation?

Making the "Via" more prominent? 

        Do people read carefully, so would this matter or help?  On every reblog I post, I insert into the title:  REBLOG OF (AUTHOR'S NAME): and I separate my pithy, conversation-advancing commentary from the "Via" by a few vacant lines and a bold full width underscore line.  And people STILL address comments to the original blog rather than to me.  Making a rule that people read what they comment on might be as productive as a lot of boilerplate regulation and change in scoring.

Will we ALWAYS have System Gamers in the AR community?

       YES.   Always, as long as there are Righteous Pointeroos to be garnered.  I suggest cutting off my leg for an ingrown toenail would be comparable to crippling a great AR feature because of a few weak abusive members in the community.  They aren't reading Bob's stuff, including this post anyway.

Are any of these points worthwhile?

     I think so.  To the extent, they could make a great commentary/introduction on a reblog of this post. (Can't.  Did that already.)  And I think that a member who wanted to comment on any of these thoughts should be able to do so where that hypothetical reblog would reside.  Which would avoid hijacking this blog.

7:05am • #146

I think reblogging is a great thing.. but i do feel that you should be required to put at least 50 words commentary...25 words can almost be used up with a long title or their contact info.. if someone wants to share a blog by reblogging it, it should be made very clear it is a "forward" .. also, they should not be able to change wording or take out wording in the reblog..

9:33am • #147
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I think reblogging is a great thing.. but i do feel that you should be required to put at least 50 words commentary...25 words can almost be used up with a long title or their contact info.. if someone wants to share a blog by reblogging it, it should be made very clear it is a "forward" .. also, they should not be able to change wording or take out wording in the reblog..

 
9:37am • #150
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As many have said, don't give points for reblogging.  The motive for the reblog would then be to pass along good content.  No problem with the 25 word intro, but do allow comments.  The reblogger should mention the original poster in the comments made on the reblog, but since many never go back and read the comment, probably a moot point.  With too much intro comment, the original post is lost in the middle, somewhere between the 500 word intro and the 1000 word signature.

For most of the members, this is not a problem, but I have to say it is annoying to see the same lame comments on posts day after day.  All I have to do is see the person's picture and I don't even have to read the comment. 

Thanks for addressing the issue; it will be interesting to see how it pans out...

9:52am • #151
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This is 25 words:

"Hey guys, I just ran across this great blog about the local real estate market and I thought you might like to read it, too."

It doesn't seem too much to require one sentence.

9:55am • #152
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I think 25 words is perfect. Enough to make your point of why you are reblogging the post and not requiring a novel before the reader gets to the blog itself. Perfect!

10:00am • #153

Adding a 25 word intro to someone's blog is a fair trade for re-blogging.

10:13am • #154
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This is a FANTASTIC idea. I have seen more and more (newer) blogs that only reblog with no commentary. They reblog about 5-8 blogs a day with nothing added. My opinion is that the reblog should require AT LEAST 25 words. If the blog was that good to make you want to share it, coming up with 25 words to introduce it should be pretty easy.

10:22am • #155
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I definitely like the concept if required some sort of intro. Personally, I'd like to see it higher than 25 words. Then again, I tend to have a lot to say. I'm also a fan of disabling the comments and directing to the original writer. Although I see the validity of the argument that it may take away some good commentary that may have occured on the reblog, I think the original post deserves the discussion. Perhaps if reblogs cross-commented somehow? That would create a much wider discussion possibility and would keep comments in a group, instead of being spread out across several reblogs.
10:36am • #156
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WidowMaker...

I scrolled straight down here so my opinion would not be tainted by what others think. Forgive my "Redundancy" if I mimic what's already been said :)

As you know, when the reBlog feature was introduced to The Membership, I told you The Members would abuse it. Abused it they have. So much so, that I turned off my reBlog so others couldn't post my content on their empty Blog. I've seen entire Blogs that are nothing but reBlogged content. Some, not so much as a word from The Blogger that posted the reBlog.

That said, 25 words is not enough to clean up the ongoing abuse. If a Blog is worth reBlogging then it's, obviously, worth a decent commentary by the Blogger that's reBlogging it. And you know, I think it's cheating when a Blogger thanks their readers in such a way that implies the Blogger wrote the Blog post.

I have a strong, somewhat negative, opinion when it comes to reBlogging. On the same hand, I have to thank AR for the reBlog feature. The feature itself is what inspired "Blog This" as part of my branding. It started out as a post I wrote entitled "reBlog This". From there it hit me, and "Blog This" became mine. Do I owe you money for that? :)

P.S. I just scrolled up to see that Blog Boy is indeed missing something. Big surprise there :) And Gregory is correct. Little tweak here, little tweak there, and voila. Cheating. That's right up there with news articles being re-worded and posted for points. The Members don't really do that, do they? :)

TLW...ROAR!

10:39am • #157
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At least a 25 word intro should be required with comments disabled.  Now I know, but initially I thought many reblogs were the rebloggers post, left a comment, and the reblogger commented back like it was their own!  I still see that and make sure I get back to the original poster if I want to comment.  Maybe the rebloggers intro could be in a color, font, or format that would stand out more?

10:58am • #158
392,851 Points 4 Featured Posts Called Shot Master

I've already agreed with the requirement to add a few words, but also want to chime in on the idea of no points for reblogging. At some point, people should want to get good infoout there for their clients and friends, regardless of points.

11:01am • #159
412,493 Points 1 Featured Post

I don't think 25 words is nearly enough to say much of anything.

Patricia

11:04am • #160
412,493 Points 1 Featured Post

I don't think 25 words is nearly enough to say much of anything.

Patricia

11:04am • #161
412,493 Points 1 Featured Post

I don't think 25 words is nearly enough to say much of anything.

Patricia

11:04am • #162
669,195 Points 18 Featured Posts Outside Blog Called Shot Master

Gee, Patricia made her point in just 12 words.

11:08am • #163
815,674 Points 7 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Called Shot Master

I do not have any problem with having to add 25 words.  I often reblogged without commentary as I just wanted to get the info on my outside blog and refer clients to it.

11:14am • #164
453,374 Points 15 Featured Posts Outside Blog Called Shot Master

Keep the reblogs.  25 words is a great step, and I think will help discourage some of the blatant rebloggers.   Hey, maybe we could have a requirement of no more than 1 reblog for every 2 original posts!  Other than that, I think this could work fine....

11:48am • #165
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Absolutely agree and it is about time. The 25 word minimum why not. It is arbitrary but AR needs a measure to mechanically accept or reject the re-blog. We will be able to see who is gaming the system by the mindless commentary they add.

Bill

11:50am • #166
133,753 Points Attended Rain Camp

I think 25 words is to little. There are to many people here on AR who bank on the fruits of others efforts. I am not saying re-blogging is a bad thing, but when a person's entire blog is someone else's content, that is a problem.

12:16pm • #167
197,153 Points

Have to comment, absolutely.  Limit the comment, not so much.  I tend to be a verbose writer and limiting me to 25 words would be painful.  Thanks!

12:19pm • #168
147,617 Points 6 Featured Posts Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

I think re-blogs are a fantastic idea.  There are many times that I have missed blogs due to timing and being to busy.  It works out great and we don't have valuable information slip through the cracks.

12:42pm • #169
957,962 Points 97 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

I love when one of my posts is re-blogged and the reasons why are given. It can start an entirely new discussion.

There are times when I comment on a re-blog and find that the majority of their blogs are not written by that member...sometimes not a single original post,

 Commentary at the beginning of a re-blog is a must. Not so sure points should be accrued by those just re-blogging. To be able to reblog 10 times a day IMO is gaming the system.

Wait..what was the question? "So what do you think? Is 25 words enough? Should we require more feedback in order to reBlog a post? Do you think reBlogging is the dumbest thing of which you've ever heard? Do you have no idea what a reBlog is?"

I don't think it is dumb! And we need more meaningful feedback! Yes I know what a reBob is.

Now I will go read what others have to say.

Margaret

12:52pm • #170
306,619 Points 17 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Called Shot Master

I have reblogged content that I don't write about, or maybe even know about; reverse mortgages, staging, etc.  I think I was the first to reblog when this great feature was introduced - it was a post by Richard Smith.

25 word intro - should be a minimum, how rude not to at least introduce the writer.

I don't think we should get any points at all for reblogging, but the original author should get 50 or so.

I always go back and edit the post to add some of my local keywords to the title and tag it.  Very valuable part of reblogging.

If you take that edit option out, I probably would not reblog at all.

12:56pm • #171
2 Featured Posts Outside Blog Called Shot Master

I don't think 25 words is to much to ask for.  If you are reblogging there must be a reason that you want to share the information.  Let your readers know what that reason is.  Seems pretty simple to me.

1:00pm • #172
290,496 Points 14 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

OK, I think I've changed my mind. If you can't write 25 lousy words to tell why you are reblogging a post (no hyphen is necessary, btw) then you are doing it just for the points. Of course, it's OK to reblog just for the points, I guess.

1:55pm • #173
107,578 Points 2 Featured Posts Called Shot Master

I have only reblogged one time, and I thought it was common courtesy not to pass someone else's blog as your own, so I added a few words. I think that's a wonderful idea to require this.

At first I didn't see the point in reblogging, but then I started to notice many of the reblogs are blogs I never would have seen because they fall down in the list so quickly.

1:59pm • #174

I think this is a brilliant idea!  The original poster fully deserves the right to know why a person re-blogged.  Good thinkin'

1:59pm • #175
277,828 Points 45 Featured Posts Outside Blog

I'm mostly addressing this to Broker Bryant, and of course Bob.

BB,

The issue is that it is wise for Active Rain to modify their current rules with regard to reblogging, because as it stands now, reblogging is "plagiarizing with permission"...but still plagiarizing. Without some type of context from the blog author, the post appears to have been written by the person whose blog it is. This is misleading to consumers.

The whole concept of blogging is so that the buying and selling public can choose a good agent based on what they have said on their blog. The writings on someone's blog should give us a good feel for who that person is, the degree of their expertise on the topics at hand, and whether or not to trust them with the job of selling a home or assisting in the purchase of a home. 

THERE IS A STANDARD RULE in for lack of a better term "The Blogosphere" with regard to bouncing off your ideas from someone else's writings. That is to cut and paste a sentence or two from the other person's blog post. Google recognizes a sentence or two and then a link to the full post as not plagiarism. The poster who does the cut and paste of a sentence or two writes an entire new blog post around the subject of the original post either agreeing with it, or posting a counter point. THAT is the standard rule for this practice.

Active Rain went to the opposite extreme of allowing FULL reblogging with no content added by the new poster. I am glad that they are rethinking that position (though I clearly haven't lost any sleep over the issue one way or the other). I am glad because the new policy is more in line with what is generally acceptable, and helps bloggers know what is expected of them with regard to blog writings outside of Active Rain. 

In other words, the new policy helps all Active Rain Bloggers gain the respect of their peers outside of Active Rain, and that is a good thing for all Members of Active Rain.

It isn't the amount of words of course that establishes if you are actually using the reblog feature correctly, and Bob's suggestion of 25 words does not necessarily take it up to the generally recognized standard...but it's a step in the right direction and I think a good first step. 

I say try 25 words and see if people use those 25 words correctly. Sometimes 25 words will be too many (I can think of many examples) and sometimes 25 words will be not enough. But a huge venue like AR has to have a number of words they can put into the system for automated monitoring purposes. So 25 is as good as most any number.

Bob, I think it's a step in the right direction. I would go a step further and require those 25 words to be the introduction to the reblogged piece, so that consumer readers can easily identify that the writing below it is NOT the product of the blog owner. There are several good options.

1) An automated introduction of one or two sentences that AR automatically posts at the top of any reblogged article, noting that the writing below that disclosure is NOT the writing of the blog owner, and is being reprinted with the actual author's permission. This would save people the trouble of having to make up something to say, that may or may not be appropriate, just to use up the 25 words.

2) REQUIRE that the 25 words be written by the blog owner...but allow them to use the SAME 25 words for any and all reblogged posts. This way they can come up with a generic intro that they can simply cut and paste into all of their reblogged posts.

3) Give them the option of either 1) or 2) by giving them a sample 25 words that they are allowed to use OR replace with their own language, by having a button they push when reblogging that says:

   a) Use Active Rain generic reblog intro 

                  OR

   b) Insert your intro of 25 words or more HERE (box for text)

 

I like the last one and Active Rain can come up with a suitable intro without the 25 word restriction. 

 

BB - to me the issue is not about 25 words. It is about making it clear to consumer readers that the writings do not reflect the general skill level of the blog owner. Blogs are not like websites. A website can be written by a professional public relations person and do not necessarily reflect the skill and intelligence level of the website owner. Blogs on the other hand should reflect the abilities of the blog owner OR note that the writings were not done by the blog owner. The same can be said of Ghost Writing, and have been said of ghost writing for blogs But that's another topic that has already been beaten to death with no consensus conclusion :)

Kudos Bob!!! A good "New Rule" regardless of how you eventually tweak the detail. I would likely allow reblogging with this new rule and maybe even blog here more. So in that sense it is a GREAT rule. It could bring you more writers AND more writers who allow reblogging. So that would make it a good new rule anyway you slice it.

 

2:16pm • #176
180,573 Points 12 Featured Posts Called Shot Master

To ARDELL:  The reblog feature is not plagiarizing at all.  If you have permission to reblog (which if its own, the author has given) a post, it's not plagiarizing.  Plagiarizing is when you a) copy and paste without permission and b) don't give credit to the original author.  The reblog feature here is basically a limited creative commons license and credit is automatically given to the original author via the "this post via..." tagline on every reblog (though I agree with Jeff that that should be bigger).

I also agree with Greg that the edit function should be disabled on reblogs, as the permission to reblog is ONLY for unedited material (which, btw, also puts my bottom tagline, and all the button and links that go with it, on every reblogged post of mine).

As to ARDELL's definition of the concept of blogging: with all due respect, that may be YOUR definition of blogging, but it may not be another's.  Some may blog just to provide content to their clients.  Others may only use blogging as another listing platform.  Agree or not, it's their definition of blogging.

And to the point of forcing a commentary on a reblog, I'd have to ask "Why?"  As someone said above, some can say great things in 6 words or less and others can drone on for 100 words or more and never say anything.  A word count is meaningless.

Finally,  several have said that 25 words aren't enough and that comments on reblogs should be turned off, etc, etc., and the personal favorite, reblogs 'clogging the system' and reblog abuse.

If 25 words aren't enough for you, then by all means, write more.  See above statement about word count.  As for the other comments, I'd suggest that people that believe in outlawing comments on reblogs, etc just turn off the reblog function on their blogs.  Then their troubles will be solved.

2:58pm • #177
146,061 Points 2 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Bob - I think re-blogs are a very useful feature.  None of us can be wonderful in every way (well, except me of course)....being able to re-blog others' posts helps to complement our strengths and making the info provided to our customers all that much more useful.

3:01pm • #178

I reblogged something yesterday, and noticed the 25 word limit because I didn't make the cut on the first try!  I agree that some introduction is needed.  I'm on the fence about the word count, although it seems like a very minor point.

3:04pm • #179
328,573 Points 4 Featured Posts

Adding a comment should be the minimum and perhaps 25 words may do it but consistent re-bloggers maybe should be harnessed.

Ty

5:50pm • #180

It is an excellent idea to not only re-blog to share with your readers but to also let them know why you chose to share the blog with them. There is a lot of good information out there to share with our clients. prospects.  and fellow bloggers.

Jill Klunk
7:46pm • #181
125,371 Points 5 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Wow! Do people really re-blog without adding in their own comments? I think the re-blog is an awesome concept and making comments mandatory is great! Good job AR!

8:17pm • #182
120,569 Points Outside Blog

Late to the party, but read all the comments.... I see a need for an introduction, I agree with Jeff on the size of the credit to the original author. I see no need for points for reblogging. It simply dilutes the reward for original content. As far as being indifferent to the points, I can't agree when ActiveRain displays the top two point getters in an area very prominently, while the rest of us are in the fine print at the bottom. Bet you have already guessed that my area is topped by a serial reblogger....

11:01pm • #183
SEP
02
2010
114,518 Points Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Don't see any problem with 25 words or more. Gotta start somewhere, and this seems fair. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater!!

5:28am • #184
392,834 Points 11 Featured Posts Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

I don't think that reblogs are used just for the points.  Sometimes it's just to put excellent fresh material out there that you are not well versed in.  Credit should always be given to the original blogger and an intro is a great idea, no matter the size requirement.

1:09pm • #185
1,306,423 Points 314 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Has any thought been given to limiting how many reblogs a person can do per day or per week? Since we limit comments and blogs, this would be consistent. Or IS there already a limit we don't know about?

1:15pm • #186
114,691 Points 3 Featured Posts Outside Blog

On a slightly different topic, I wish comments had to have something more significant to say than "Great post" or "I'll use that idea" in some variation.    Not just this post - I waste a lot of time going through sometimes dozens of variations of those before I finally get to a comment that adds something useful.    This isn't about points - it's about value, to me.    Pardon my grump.  It's been on of those days.

4:44pm • #187
277,828 Points 45 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Roger,

As I said in the comment, it is not "my" definition of "plagiarism"...it is Google's. You can have a different one, but the one I use is Google's, whom I happen to respect as a noted authority as to "web content" and "duplicate" content.

4:50pm • #188
SEP
03
2010
1,601,821 Points 154 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

If you find something interesting enough to re-blog it, I see no reason you shouldn't be able to come up with at least 50 words to explain to your readers why you reblogged it. Most comments on posts that are worth re-blogging are well over 50 comments, so why not just make your comment the intro to your readers.

5:02pm • #189
Called Shot Master

As someone who enjoys a lot of reblogging, I can't understand why this wasn't a requirement before.  Seems they  all need some sort of introduction.

6:03pm • #190
Called Shot Master

As someone who enjoys a lot of reblogging, I can't understand why this wasn't a requirement before.  Seems they  all need some sort of introduction.

6:03pm • #191
Called Shot Master

As someone who enjoys a lot of reblogging, I can't understand why this wasn't a requirement before.  Seems they  all need some sort of introduction.

6:03pm • #192
1,103,903 Points 45 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Kerrie,

That seems like a good idea. They ought to at least state why the blog post meant something.

6:05pm • #193
180,573 Points 12 Featured Posts Called Shot Master

ARDELL: In your comment, you said, "...reblogging is "plagiarizing with permission"...but still plagiarizing."   The definition of plagiarism is: the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work.

Since you, as the author of the content, have to give permission (the reblog button becomes available) to reblog a post, anybody reblogging your posts HAS permission from you to do so, hence, no plagiarizing.  Plagiarizing with permission is an oxymoron.  It isn't possible.

BIG difference between duplicate content per Google and plagiarism.

7:50pm • #194
SEP
04
2010
Outside Blog Called Shot Master

Hello Bob ~ 

I'm a newer rainmaker so "points matter" however I think I have only re-blogged once possibly twice. I didn't know life before the 25 word intro so it's just part of the process.  In a month it will be a non issue.

25 Minimum. After reading all 195 comments above it's apparent you did something good although there are a few whiners. 25 is a good minimum.  Someone said "but they can cut and paste 25" - Jeez "they" (whoever they are) can cut and paste 100 just as easily - who cares about them there "they".  25 motivates us New Rainers to write.

Disable Edits. I absolutely agree that you need to disable the edit on a reblog.  If someone re-blogs me and edits my content then they are literally putting words in my mouth.  

Regarding comments on the re-blog: No comments allowed. If you want to leave a comment you must go to the original and join in.  You (the comment  leaver) will learn a lot more from all the comments being located in one spot.  Me, the reader of the re-blog will be enticed to go read ALL the comments at the original poster's blog - thus giving the AUTHOR respect for his or her work.

Somebody pondered that if you disable re-blog comments HOW can the original author thank the copier?  Just like you do with anyone who comments on your post - you can comment back on your post.  Also e-mail, text, phone, twitter, facebook, smoke signals, gift cards and singing telegrams are acceptable alternative forms of communication.

Serial Rebloggers. Being newer, I am oblivious to these Horrible People called Serial Rebloggers. Let's say they exist. If you do the 25 word min plus Disabled Editing & Disabled Commenting as suggested above, wouldn't these people ease up? Then you would only have the Serial serial re-bloggers to attend to.

About Points. It appears All Points are Rewards except those for Re-blogging. Rewards. Thanks. Attaboy. Kudos.    I write a blog - thanks for the work, here are points. I take the time to read and comment on somone else's post - thanks 25 points.  Someone else Re-blogs my post - Attaboy for writing something good - 25 points.  So Bob, why are you rewarding people for copying someone else's work?  They didn't do anything for the reward.  If active rain is going to continue to give out points for copying (aka re-blogging) then you should have a new bucket in the person's Point Summary.  Down below Blog Points and Comment Points there should be a line Re-Blogging Other People Points. Then anyone can verify who these Cereal Rebloggers are.  "Hey would you look at that - this guy has 25,000 Reblogging Points - somebody get me a calcalater and a shotgun."  Right now what bucket do these 25 re-blogging points get mixed into?

Anyway - Thanks for asking my 2 cents.   Enjoy - Mark

  

5:43pm • #196
324,890 Points 1 Featured Post Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Hi Bob,

My suggestions/thoughts:

1 | I agree, reblogging is great if used properly

2 | 25 (at minimum) or 50 word commentary requirement is reasonable

3 | Keep COMMENTS ENABLED on reblogged post to allow collegues to communicate with their readers/audience

4 | All COMMENT POINTS credited to Original blogger/post

Thanks for your consideration.

7:58pm • #197
SEP
05
2010
548,980 Points 110 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Wow...

I like this Mark Hitz Dude. A fresh perspective is always a good thing.

Now don't go getting me started on shotguns :)

TLW...ROAR!

9:49am • #198
277,828 Points 45 Featured Posts Outside Blog

I second that loving the Mark Hitz dude, TLW! Awesome comment and perspective.

1:08pm • #199
548,980 Points 110 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Ardell...

Sometimes it really takes a new member to help us with our secret mission to shut down reBlogging. Lol. I got an email from someone that said just that. We are single handedly trying to destroy it. Yeah. Okay. We're trying to shut down a way to game the system. Geesh. I think the person that sent me the email doth protest a bit too much :)

TLW...ROAR!

5:59pm • #200
277,828 Points 45 Featured Posts Outside Blog

TLW,

To me it's kinda like teaching your kids how to copy the answers off of someone else's test paper before sending them to school...and also how to sit next to the right person to copy from! LOL! It might be a "successful strategy"...but there's something not quite "right" about it.

6:09pm • #201
SEP
06
2010
180,573 Points 12 Featured Posts Called Shot Master

I second (or third?) kudos to Mark Hitz bringing a fresh perspective to the subject.  I really did not like the idea of disabling comments on reblogs, but Mark's take on it has changed my mind on that as well.

Good job! :)

8:36pm • #202
SEP
07
2010
782,149 Points 71 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Hey Bob how about fixing the re-blog link as well!!! The credit used to go the the bloggers outside blog account on a re-blog and it now stays with the AR blog. I would love to see the credit go back to the outside blog if the owner has one.

7:59am • #203
SEP
15
2010
193,642 Points 1 Featured Post Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

I had to come back to this and forgive me I did not read all the comments again.

After just seeing someone reblog 10 posts and put the same comment on each, (basically:  'I enjoyed this and thought you might like it too....), I think points should only go to the original blogger. 

Any of us that reblog should do it just because we want to share good information that we have just read.  When I first started with AR I was guilty of reblogging for points, sorry.  Now I reblog if the information is worth spreading. 

10:37pm • #204
SEP
16
2010
242,789 Points 6 Featured Posts Outside Blog Called Shot Master

Twenty-five words should be enough for anyone to express why they feel a post is worthy of re-blogging. 

I've often thought that a member should not receive points for reblogging a post that they never commented on in the first place.  Just my opinion..

7:14pm • #205
OCT
07
2010
648,220 Points 5 Featured Posts Outside Blog Called Shot Master

Interestingly enough - when I imported my blog to posterous there were some glitches, one of which was the attribution part doesn't always translate well.  There was no link to the original blogger.  That's something to think about.

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