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An interesting email came the other day.  It was from a former client, for whom I had done an inspection four years ago.  His house at that time was only two years old.  All the window trim on the house was beginning to rot. 

My comment at that time was that this was a lot of rot developing in only two years, and that it would get worse.  I also suggested that since it was on nearly window that the problem was likely due to improper installation.  At that time I was unable to see what could have caused it, but thought it to be the usual suspects.  On my way home the next day this house was along the way, so I stopped by to have a peek.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I could have posted many more photos.  So, what are the common characteristics?

1.  Caulking is not meant to be wider than about 1/4".  This is much wider than that!

2.  Interior nails (or brads) were used.  As they rust, they rot the wood with them!

3.  The wood was not primed.  Even if it was primed on the outside facing the weather, and I could see on some peeling windows that it was not, wood has 6 sides!  All 6 sides need to be primed PRIOR to installation or it will not last.

4.  The trim was just jammed into place, with large gaps.  The miters and joints are not tight and merely filled with caulking.

ANYTHING NEW HERE?  No, not at all.  I see this every day.  It is 7-11 construction at its worst (or best, depending on your angle...).  It is a slap-up job by inexperienced people, working with little oversight.

Here's the big issue!  ALL of the houses nearby are experiencing the exact same problem.  I had noticed that 4 years ago, but the other houses weren't my focus then.  Now we have a demonstrable pattern throughout the neighborhood. 

The pattern, in my opinion?  Improper product, improper installation.  Of course, if contacted, the builder would claim lax homeowner maintenance.

But everyone has let this go and now the rot is migrating into the framing structure around the windows.  This was something my client was told four years ago that he needed to handle immediately.  It has been let go.  By everyone.  Now it has gotten dramatically worse.

I don't know where it will go from here.  But I would recommend replacing the wood!

My recommendation:  Sometimes home inspectors will point out conditions and suggest repairs that prevent future, more difficult, repairs.  It is best to pay attention...

 

 

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia

www.jaymarinspect.com


 
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41 Comments on Past Is Prologue

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 ah yes...the famous deferred maintainance...last on the Honey Do list stuff...new windows...hardly anyone here with our change of seasons does wood replacements anymore...and there are some great looking vinyls available...thanks for the tip...here's looking at you ...thru a well maintained window !

5:19am • #1
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Sally - vinyls might be the way to go to forestall future repairs for, well, for a really long time!

5:35am • #2
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This is quite sad.  And, yes, you're right - once you know there's an issue, much better to take care of it sooner rather than later.  The problem will always get worse, not better and hence even more expensive to fix later.

5:38am • #3
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In this case, Debbie, "this too shall pass" doesn't work!  This too shall get worse is more like it, as you say!  I had a Pergo floor the other day where two dog water bowls had really swollen it up badly.  The seller actually said that what we were seeing we really weren't seeing because "Pergo is permanent and doesn't have any problems."  Ummm....

5:44am • #4
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I am spending a LOT of my "make ready" time on the exterior of the rental homes of my clients.   Front porch pickets and railings seem to start rotting the day they are installed!!!

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Good Morning Jay,

Thanks for the informative post. I tell my customers and clients that a home inspection report does not only tell the current condition of a home but is a road map of any conditions that have to be resolved in the very near future and should be used as a negotiating tool to possibly have funds escrowed or price reduction.

But it does come down to taking your advise. Thanks again for the post Jay. Have a good one.

6:58am • #6
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Wallace - maybe because the nail them with interior brads from a gun.  I see that a lot too.

Patrick - thanks!  I try to give my clients head's ups for future concerns.  Somethings you can look 10 years down the road - like a tree too close to the driveway or corner of the house.

7:03am • #7
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Vinyl, vinyl, vinyl.  I am thankful for every inch of vinyl on the exterior trim on my home.  Any wood trim used in the construction process had rot within two years and I've been replacing them piece by piece with vinyl.

 

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At the time you pointed out the problem on a 2 year old house the builders warranty might have covered repairs.  Now they need to spend thousands of their own money to make it right.  Sad.

7:17am • #9
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Wow.  Vinyl siding and vinyl windows, and someone felt the need to introduce a wood component...

Was "Quick Rot" one of the features in the Builder's sales brochures?

7:27am • #10
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Wow 2 years and wood was starting to rot? I would have been concerned, wood doesn't just stop rotting.

Good information.

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Jay:

This is tragic for a 6 year old house. Why didn't they listen to you? The solution is going to be much more costly now than it would have been when you advised them.

 

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I guess it's not hard for some buyers to get caught up in the excitement of buying a home and not listen carefully enough - when the dust settles, though, they really need to sit down with the inspection report AGAIN and revisit all the recommendations.  Great example, thanks!

8:10am • #13
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Vinyl is final. They used vinyl siding why not use plastic trim.

8:27am • #14
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Jay - I've seen the same problem for the past few years, and one of the reasons that the trim is rotting so fast--of course it's rarely installed and caulked properly--is that the preservative once used on exterior trim has been outlawed.  And the wood used is very soft and cannot stand exposure to moisture.  I'd use composite trim or cover with vinyl; and for window trim, definitely vinyl. It should be required.

8:40am • #15
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Good Morning Jay, excellent post and advice, now to get the home owners to listen!

8:53am • #16
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Jay, the time to fix it was two years ago. With time the problem will only get worse. I hope they take your advice.

9:31am • #17
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Jay thanks... I Re-Blogged your content for consumers in my market. I see this.  An agent who used to be in my office would always complain when home inspectors would point out the crappy wood trim on her listings because they were only X number of years old. It was like listening to a broken record... 

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Oh if only people would listen to the home inspectors. I hear so often after a really BAD inspection that they will be "ok" with that and take care of it....because they are already in love with the home. Crazy

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Jay, 

So very true!  It's so important to stop the simple and cheaper problems before they become the large, expensive and complex problems!  Bummer.  Folks just don't always listen to pro-active advice.  

All the best, Michelle

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Jay, I see the same malarky here as well.  I always wonder why if you are going to have all vinyl windows and all vinyl siding----why is the trim wood?

11:26am • #21
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Jay - I can't imagine how disappointed the home owners must be. Actually yes I can, we have had older existing homes that passed a detailed inspection have multiple problems, but nothing so blatantly wrong... I would be furious.

11:33am • #22
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By the time you buy that much caulk, you could probably take the time and effort to do it right.

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Hi Jay,  Interesting post.  If this is typical in that area someone should hold the builder's feet to the fire.

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Jay- once again I have to say that nothing can replace a great home inspection!!!

2:37pm • #25
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Why do clients hire inspectors to get advice and then not heed it?  Looks like it's going to be a costly repair now.

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Excellent information.  A lot of buyers get the initial report and then don't bother to do anything about it after they move in.  Such a shame.

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Jay, I don't think I have seen anything this extreme before! Thanks for sharing, Jen

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Lenn - I am seeing vinyl more and more.  It is the new white trim...

Maybe Cindy, but even then the builder might have tried to say it was maintenance related, who knows!

Mike - my grandmother built the first house in a section of Washington, DC called Chevy Chase at the turn of the last century.  The original wood siding is still on that house.

Missy - no, it doesn't!  Once started the process is slow and unrelenting.

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Claudette - this is a good object lesson.  I don't often hear from people years later saying they still have the same problem I identified on the inspection!

Susan - he may have looked at that trim for years saying how he had to get around to it!

Jim - I don't see that too often.  I still wonder about its long-term viability.  But it might be terrific.

John - or primed, particularly at mitered joints.  But you're right, it is soft and the aluminum or vinyl-covered stuff works very well too.

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Dan - I think at this point they want the builder to listen...

Michael - like I said, I think they want this to be the builder's problem!  Good luck, probably...

Maureen - what would she prefer the inspector say?  What should the inspector say?  Geez...

Karen - I have had a few of those and surprisingly they fixed the houses up nicely!

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Michelle - proactivity is hard to teach!  The School of Hard Knocks usually gets its lessons over pretty well.

Charlie - quick, easy, available, cheaper, traditional.  Who knows?  But you gotta treat it right.

Brent and Deb - I sent him my thoughts and a few photos and have not heard back!  And I did that no charge.  Not even a thank you...

Jack - I saw a bathroom drain the other day with enough caulk on it to fix this house!  Is that what you mean...?

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Bill - there was CERTAINLY a pattern here, but after all, it has been six years.

Barbara-Jo - I can't think of anything either.

Tammie - very costly.  Nearly every window.  Only the ones under the front porch roof escaped this problem.

Lesley - the wood was unusually rotten for even a 2 year old house, so, yes, it is a ashame.

Jen - this was quite the problem.  And it is getting worse by the day.

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Jay, 

You did it again! Another informative post! I re-blogged you for my customers in the OKC area. I love your pictures and detailed explanation of what we are viewing in your blog. Great job! Oh, and thanks for the ability to re-blog! :)

3:38pm • #34
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Valerie - thank you for stopping by so often and for reblogging!  I am glad you find the posts informational.

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Jay- it's really upsetting when we put so much time and effort into the report and still get call backs because the client did not read the report or act on it.

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That happens to you too Eric?   ;~)

Once a lady ripped me one because some plaster fell from her ceiling onto her stereo system.  She was disgusted that I had not warned her that it could happen.  I looked on the report - there it was!  She never called again!

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How do you come across so many nasty houses?  I've never seen wood anywhere near that rotted in that short of time.  I wouldn't have thought it was possible.

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I know Reuben - I get all the good houses!  That is typical around here, although not on houses 6 years old.

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Dear Jay -
I love the phrase 7-11 construction!
It is really sad to see this on expensive homes as well. Give me a "grandmother" house with all its revolting wallpaper and let me see that the repairs are done properly. It is too easy to hide really serious errors when the home looks so "ROOMS TO GO" as the Client walks through it and falls in love. 
Have a happy day -
Lynn

12:27am • #40
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That's my experience Lynn.  The builders sometimes go to 7-11 in the morning to pick up workers.  It's a shame.  Then they are out working on homes and leaving people with this.

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