I had told a short story in regards to a first time homebuyer being very confused over the mortgage process, even though I explained it well to them. Why did this happen?  Because they started to talk to family members who got them to shop around and a realtor that told them one fee was too high.

No matter if you are going for a FHA, conventional, VA, or subprime mortgage, you not only need to feel comfortable, but educated. The story turned out in my favor because the previous lender wasn't keeping in touch with his clients after application in regards to the market, good or bad. Not giving his clients the option to lock-in or to float the rate. All consumers when shopping need to ask how long the rate is good for or if they can lock in. Too many lenders dangle lower rates that are only good for 15 to 30 days when shopping. You wouldn't know unless you asked. The ending?  I gave my client a 6.5% rate compared to the other lenders 7.0% rate, both with zero points and same fees. But this was after I had them speak to their current lender, asking him if their rate was lower because of a positive market. He said no, thinking that he had them for good. Please read this story : Realtors, do you do this? Consumers, just be careful sometimes..... Locking in mortgage rates -- Part 1 of 2  

 

 

Part of the application process is to go over a form called the Interest Rate Lock Agreement. It will have two boxes on this form. One box stating, I Do Not Want an Interest Rate Lock in at this time and the other stating, I Do Want an Interest Rate Lock in at this time.

floating
Floating your rate :  A very simple process. Many loan officers really don't go over this extensively.  If they don't spend more than a few minutes on this and just have you sign it as a float option, RED FLAG.  Just maybe because they gave you a lower rate just to get you into the door. Then what happens?  Even if the market is stable, they will tell you right before closing that the market tanked, that your rate moved. Ouch!!

A good to excellent loan officer will go into specifics about locking or floating your rate. Spending more than 10 minutes on this subject. At least I do. You deserve the best, right?

 

lock Locking your rate :  Yes, you are taking a risk locking in just as you would when floating your rate. Why is this? If you are 40 days out from your settlement date, you aren't sure what will happen. Rates could get better or they could get worse. That is your risk. 

Once you lock in your rate, that is it. If rates go down, you don't get the better rate. How would you like it if they went up and I raised your rate after you locked in?  Makes sense, right?

Now, you will have some loan officers out there that will tell you that if rates come down, that they will lock you into the lower rate. This typically comes from that desperate broker willing to say anything. Sure, there are some brokers that can do this. But this will not happen on a FHA loan, because many of them are manually underwritten. And they have to send your loan to that lender that they locked it with because they are underwriting your loan. A banker, different story, but the same result. This can even become difficult on today's conventional loans for many reasons.

In most cases, they use this as a ploy to get you into the door. Many wholesale companies have different delegated underwriting systems that approve your loan. Some may not approve your loan. Then what? Especially if rates go up? One big fat excuse from the loan officer, that's what.  

 

 

Conclusion :  Be careful on some of the paper work that you sign. Two most important forms?  Your good faith estimate and the lock-in agreement form. 

Your lock in agreement?  Again, if you are dealing with an experienced and knowledgeable loan officer, they will give you some history of rates and how they act and react. They will make you aware of certain economic indicators, weekly jobless numbers, talk about durable goods, housing stats, and the CPI which is the consumer price index. This might all sound confusing to you. And maybe they shouldn't talk to you about these. I don't often, but I understand them and their importance to an ever changing market. Able to read the daily bond prices and the yield, which helps determine the rates. This is what you want from your loan officer. And possibly to give you guidance and advice. And not just someone telling you that floating isn't going to hurt you. Reminder :  If the loan officer asks for a large lock-in fee, maybe you should just take one day to see how rates are with 3 other companies.  A lock-in fee is not a bad thing, but what about the rate in itself?

 

 

 

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10 Comments on Mortgage Rates -- Locking or Floating -- Part 2 of 2

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2007
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Bottom line: know your people you're working with!  It will make all the difference in the world. And I can't stress enough...family and friends add more confusion to an already stressful process.
9:56pm • #1
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Jeff, as always on point.  And you are right family and friends will confuse the borrowers and they should hopefully fine you or me or another professional they TRUST
10:11pm • #2
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25
2007
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Jeff, remind me to print blogs of yours out and put them in binders.  You have a wealth of knowledge that I need to refer back, but forget where I heard it.....or how far back I need to trace it.

Send me an email saying "yo, print it ya nut".

1:26am • #3
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I sure guessed the ending wrong!!   Jeff, great job, and as always, great advice.  Like Rob above, would you mind if I printed some of these (giving you credit of course) and gave them to my FHA/VA buyer clients?
4:56am • #4
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Jeff, that is always a quandry to lock or float, isn't it. I always make sure there are no pre-payment penalities for my  buyers.
7:10am • #5
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Jeff,

I actually had clients ask me for proof that I locked their loan, and if I did everything right, then there would be no problems... I like these posts they are familiar to me..

Take Care,

Tom Weiss

8:24am • #6
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Yep. If my borrower mentions that they are buying a home..... the advice comes out of the woodwork.

And, usually, the advice givers don't know what they are talking about.

 

9:30am • #7
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Sally......  yes, for the most part, family and friends can had confusion to an already stressful situation. We know family cares, but emotions can get in the way of common sense thinking. And yes, know the people that you are working with. 

Joe.....  trust is so key. And if you trust someone 100%, don't let other people whisper in your ear. Yes, we know it can get confusing, but you need to pick one person and just stick with them then. Unless someone can actually prove the other is lying and or wrong. In some cases of conventional or FHA guidelines which are written in stone. This can be proved.  thanks for the compliment.

Rob..... so, you want me to remind you?  ;o)  Just look at your subscription list once a day and look for my name. ;o)   But I do really appreciate the kind words and for the support.

Kris.....  so what. You actually took a shot at it. And you know what, your scenario happens more than the one that happened to me. Usually I don't a chance to talk to the client once they made their mind up. So,good guess.

In regards to printing my posts, not at all. I would be honored and flattered. thanks 

Missy.....  it doesn't matter if the client chooses to float, as long as both options are explained in detail. ...reasons why and why not. 

In regards to pre-payment penalties. These are only offered on some Alt-A loans and many sub prime loans, unless not allowed in your state.  And some pre-payment penalties are bad depending on the clients goals, the rate, and the program.

Tom W. .....   hey, giving them proof is not a problem. No, the lock agreement would not be proof, but all companies when locking it, internally or with another lender, get confirmation. You can white out certain pricing concessions and such, but at least show them the piece of paper, the proof. Thanks for the comment.

Tom B. .......  it's amazing, isn't it. This is what makes our job harder and not everyone has a good idea about this. And you are right about the advice given, usually they don't know. 

Hey, on another note, this has happened on more than one occasion. But do you and Tom Weiss call each other up to make comments back to back?  ;o) 

10:08am • #8
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Right now the volatility of the market is making it hard for those borrowers who would usually hold on locking and see if they could better their rate closer to closing

I would say that most of my clients historically have wanted to float and I explain that locking means they are sure of what they get but a drop in rates doesn't guarantee they will get the float down for free... on the other hand, they may have to buy the rate down if they don't lock and the rates jump!

What drives me NUTS is when attorneys claim that Loan Officers play games when the decision is made to float... It isn't OUR decision alone!!  I won't float someone if I know that's not what they want.

some LOs have floated to try to get better YSP but that's not the reason to float.... the only reason to float is to better the rate for the client

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Good ending - I had a feeling it would turn out in your favor. Rob's on to something there about printing these posts and saving in a binder. Better yet - when are you just going to write a book, Jeff?
1:53pm • #10

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