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Lessons of History- Do We EVER Learn?

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with Sherwood Property Investments

Can you believe this? Curtis Brooks posted on FB-from Cicero 55 BC: ‎"The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work instead of living on public assistance." ---Cicero, 55 BC

Comments (31)

Lane Bailey
Century 21 Results Realty - Suwanee, GA
Realtor & Car Guy

The more things change... 

I wonder if they had wifi, too...

Sep 19, 2010 02:10 PM
Mike McCann Nebraska Land Broker
Mike McCann - Broker, Mach1 Realty Farm & Commercial Land Broker-Auctioneer Serving Nebraska - Kearney, NE
Farm & Commercial Property For Sale 308-627-3700

Wow...first time I read it I did not see the cicero notation...and wa wondering who said it? A Dem or a Rep...but a Roman....we may be in trouble.

Sep 19, 2010 03:37 PM
Ralph Janisch ABR CRS Broker
Janisch & Co. - Conroe, TX
Selling Northwest Houston to good people like you!

Amazing!  It seems we haven't made much progress in the last 2100 years.  I didn't realize people back then really had the same thought process about living on the public dole.

Sep 19, 2010 04:30 PM
Ron Parise
LocateHomes.com - Cape Coral, FL

Dont forget that about 25% of the Roman population  was held in slavery . Do we really want to go back to a slave based economy?.... I know thats a stupid question, Of course we do...at least there are some that would like to see the rest of us slaves to the corporations that have been running our country

But there is some good news:  the budget deficit is going down....According to the Congressional budget Office, outlays this year are 2% less than last year and revenue is up 1%, and with the temporary  tax cuts passed 10 years ago about to expire, revenue should increase some more.  One of our foreign wars is winding down, and the other  has something of a deadline imposed to begin winding down. 

Cicero would be pleased. except for the work thing....perhaps we can learn from ancient Rome here too. They were big on public works projects as I recall. and we could use  new ways to generate electricity,  some infrastructure improvements and perhaps a few high speed trains.

Sep 19, 2010 04:34 PM
Marie-Denise Kratsios
Daniel Gale Sotheby's International Realty - Huntington, NY
Where ever you are, that's where I'll be!

Maybe you should send Cicero's quote to the gods of Washington.

Sep 19, 2010 05:03 PM
Paul Francis
Francis Group Real Estate - Las Vegas, NV
Las Vegas Real Estate Agent - Summerlin Homes

And eventually Rome fell...

Sep 19, 2010 05:42 PM
Fernando Herboso - Associate Broker MD, & VA
Maxus Realty Group of Samson Properties - Clarksburg, MD
301-246-0001 Serving Maryland, DC and Northern VA

Was this after the great fire or before?  . . obviously Cicero was a wise man.

Sep 19, 2010 11:59 PM
Rick Fifer
Vintage Homes Realty - Tampa, FL
Broker/Owner, Vintage Homes Realty

An in another quote from a contemporary of Cicero..."in our times we can neither endure our mistakes nor have the will to correct them."  I believe this one was from Pliny.

Sep 20, 2010 12:07 AM
Carl Schumacher
CIDM Real Estate - Grand Rapids, MI

"the Treasury should be refilled"

Something else to consider; Cicero was dealing with REAL money, coined from real gold and most importantly, gold that citizens felt had real value. Today, we're dealing with an illusion of value based on faith called the fractional reserve banking system. The faith that the US government and markets will never fail. You can print all the paper money you want to refill the treasury under this system any time you want to. The rub is; Will the world accept it as truth? If things keep going the way they are, I think the answer to that question will eventually be NO. Today, technology is replacing workers at such a rapid pace that 20-30% unemployment may be the norm much sooner than we once thought. Add outsourcing to that equation and it's projected that within the next 10-20 years, over half the population in this country will no longer be needed to produce the goods and services required to sustain ourselves. What then? How will all of these people get the money required under our current system to buy the products and services they need to survive? That's the deeper question that all the so called experts don't seem to have an answer for. Two words: Be Prepared.

Carl S

Sep 20, 2010 12:23 AM
Anonymous
Pat Sturgeon

They should stop being Democrats & Republicans and just SERVE the people. Not to be believed the arrogance!!!!

Sep 20, 2010 12:36 AM
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Missy Caulk
Missy Caulk TEAM - Ann Arbor, MI
Savvy Realtor - Ann Arbor Real Estate

Cicero, well we know what happened to Rome. There are multiltude of history lessons to be learned from our Founding Fathers right here in America, if the elected officials, both parties would take the time to read.

Sep 20, 2010 01:02 AM
Annie Collyer
Sherwood Property Investments - Haverhill, MA

Hmmm, I really don't think anyone wants to use Rome as an ideal model of government, morality, economy, etc.  Although some would argue that corporate America is basically a new form of slavery...  It is interesting how timeless the concerns and arguments are about how to govern, spend tax dollars, participate in world economies. 

Important to take the time to look at the issues, read- certainly our founding fathers as well as many other past and current thinkers - vote.  Most have some kernals of truth, most have some error- subjectively speaking, of course.

Hopefully we as a country will find solutions that will keep us going even longer than the 400 some years beyond Cicero that Rome did.

 

Sep 20, 2010 01:26 AM
Michael Setunsky
Woodbridge, VA
Your Commercial Real Estate Link to Northern VA

Annie, interesting how history has a way of repeating itself.

Sep 20, 2010 01:31 AM
Emily Medvec
eXp Realty LLC - Santa Fe, NM
Broker | Realtor | Serving Santa Fe & Northern NM

The more things change, the more they remain the same.

I relocated to Santa Fe, NM from Washington, DC sixteen years ago after living on Capitol Hill for a quarter of a century. Back then I was amazed how people could expect many of my neighbors aka elected officials or their staff to solve any problems. For the most part, their focus was the next election and money. Only a handful had the courage and commitment to make a difference.

Unfortunately, many of us have forgotten how to make a difference in our local communities and expect government to solve everything. We have given away our power in many ways but expecting someone else to fix things.

Sep 20, 2010 01:34 AM
Richard Shuman
The Only B.S. I Have is from the University of Massachusetts - Lake Mary, FL
Real Estate Broker - Orlando Area - Love Referrals

It is fascinating how with all progress man has made in medicine, technology, physics, psychology, and science in general, especially in the last century, we have not yet found a cure for arrogance. Arrogance and belkileving you are better, smarter, more deserving, is one of the key factors that keep us from learning from our past.

If most households can balance their budget by working and spending less and saving more, why can't our leaders. Aren't they supposed to be experts?

Sep 20, 2010 04:38 AM
Bryan Robertson
Los Altos, CA

Truly ahead of his time.  If only this advice were taken by our local, state and federal governments.

Sep 20, 2010 05:14 AM
Phil Stevenson, CRMP
PS Mortgage Lending 305-791-4874 or 888-845-6630 - Miami, FL
"Mortgage Nerd" in Miami, Florida and Texas

Unfortunately, history will always repeat itself.  It is simply manifested in very different ways.  The same way every great empire will eventually fall.  Hence, the US will not be THE power forever, but our current International system allows us to align with others to create a multi-national power.

Sep 20, 2010 05:32 AM
Brent Wells
The LivingWell Team - Prosper, TX
Dallas - Fort Worth

Annie,

I am posting this on my facebook account, awesome job!

-Brent

Sep 20, 2010 08:55 AM
Christine Donovan
Donovan Blatt Realty - Costa Mesa, CA
Broker/Attorney 714-319-9751 DRE01267479 - Costa M

It's often said that history repeats itself.  It also seems to me that we continue to live by Einstein's definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

In answer to your question, no I don't think we learn.

Sep 20, 2010 05:47 PM
Larry Lawfer
YourStories Realty Group - Newton, MA
"I listen for a living." It's all about you.

An excellent quote to have found right now, thank you for sharing.  History has repeated itself time and time again because of ego, arrogance and lack of a sense of history.  How does this lesson instruct us in our real estate business today?  Thanks for such a great quote for us to think about between calls.

Sep 21, 2010 04:32 AM