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Casting for a recast of your mortgage? Better plan on dining out for dinner.

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Mortgage and Lending with C2 Financial NMLS #279125

 

Casting your line for a recast of your mortgage?  Better plan on dining out for dinner.

 

William Johnson wrote a post explaining the theory/process of re-casting your mortgage and the possibility of contacting your lender to consider a “re-cast” of your mortgage.  Technically, much of William’s post is accurate and I will not attempt to further explain the re-cast process in this post (follow the link to William’s well written post).  

However, I must respectively disagree with the likelihood of many (any?) consumers being able to accomplish this suggestion. There are a few instances that MAY help a consumer facilitate a re-cast of the mortgate:

1).  A re-cast clause is written into the note of the originating mortgage

 

2).  The consumer has an adjustable rate mortgage

 

3).  The consumer is making a substantial principal reduction at the time of the request.

 

On, the other hand there are cases where a re-cast is very probably completely out of the realm of possibility:

 

1).  Most fixed rate products (30, 20, 15, 10)

 

2).  Loans sold on the secondary market (investor approval highly unlikely)

 

 

It may help to understand that virtually ALL negative amortization loans have a “re-cast clause” hard coded into the mortgage note.  The parameters of the product allow for a “re-cast” of the principal balance if (when) the outstanding balance reaches 110%, 115% or 125% (this was determined by the lender/investor at the onset and varies across the board).

 

In other words, if a consumer has a $100,000 mortgage and they continue to make the negative amortization payment (less than interest owed) amount, the mortgage balance will increase monthly until the maximum outstanding balance of $110,000, $115,000 or $125,000 (respectively).

 

In the case of these loans, the looming threat of a “re-cast” is the proverbial shoe that is still going to drop in the continuance of the mortgage mess.  This is simply because the loan will automatically be amortized at the full allowable interest rate (per the note) at the time of “re-cast”.  The increase in payment WILL be significant (increasing the likelihood of eminent default).

 

In fact, I believe a great strategy for any real estate agent marketing short sales would be to monitor negative amortization loans, educate yourself thoroughly on the product and understanding the actual loan documents so you can show and explain to a consumer the looming situation when the mortgage will “re-cast”.

 

Now, in the case of a adjustable rate or balloon (also 5/25 or 7/23) mortgage, there is a better likelihood of convincing a lender/servicer to “re-cast” and/or reamoratize a mortgage at 1). the date on which the balloon (also 5/25 or 7/23) is due or the adjustment date of an adjustable rate loan AND 2). the concumer is making a substantative principal reduction of the outstanding mortgage balance.

 

I think the real value of William’s article is in the education provided to the consumer of exactly what “re-casting” is and in providing the homeowner the “how” to make one more “try” with a lender prior to acknowledging the need to shortsale their home.  And, unlike the approval of a short sale or attempt at a loan modification, I suspect it will take only one or two phone calls to a lender to determine IF a “re-cast” is possible or not.  It really is a “YES or NO” question.

 

William deserves much appreciation and kudos for helping the struggling homeowner to understand each and every option available to them, I believe William provides a valuable service in this education and an approach that crystalizes he puts the needs of his potential clients above his own interests and motivations.

 

 

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Comments (29)

Kimo Jarrett
Cyber Properties - Huntington Beach, CA
Pro Lifestyle Solutions

I also agree that 99% of homeowners wouldn't have this opportunity. The information of recasting should have been explained thoroughly prior to the homeowner accepting the terms and conditions of the loan. Yet for those who can, this is a rare opportunity and should be explored.

Generally, this loan serviced self employed homeowners who experience inconsistent cash flows sometime during a year but usually increased their cash flow during other times of the year, like the hoiday season. At the end of their fiscal year they could have the cash flow to pay down the negative interest balance.

The homeowner who understands this type of loan knows that at the end of the year, they should focus on the sum of accrued negative balance and try to reduce it to prevent the sum from increasing to the 10 or 15 percent recast trigger. Many small business owners were prime beneficiaries of this loan product.

Finally depending on the index, margin and the cap, many borrowers would not be adversely affected with expiring loans of this type because the index rates are still very low. This loan product was not designed for most homeowners, yet many MLO order takers who are no longer in the loan industry used this product almost exclusively to homeowners that didn't comprehend the terms and conditions of their loan and probably not really qualified unfortunately, to own a home.

Oct 17, 2010 04:51 AM
William Johnson
Retired - La Jolla, CA
Retired

Good Morning Debra,

Thank you so much for the mention. Interesting subject. While recasting may only help a few homeowners caught in bad economic times, it remains as a viable possibility for those whose goal had been to pay off their principal early. I have a relative that used an annual bonus check and applied it to her fixed rate mortgage year after year to reduce her principal and pay off her loan early and was told she is eligle for recasting.

Oct 17, 2010 05:07 AM
Deborah "Dee Dee" Garvin
C2 Financial - San Diego, CA
C2 Financial

Kimo, You and I are in absolute agreement on when the loan was used correctly and when it wasn't.  Thanks for you comments!

William,  My pleasure...Your relative is exactly the client for whom a lender/servicer would be most likely to agree to the re-cast.  My purpose for writing this post was not to be contradictory...just clarifying.  To re-cast or not, that is the question (LOL)...rarely would it ever be detrimental for a consumer to get a re-cast (kind of a rate and term rate reduction refinance without any closing costs....how bad could that be???????).  By all means, ASK!  All they can say is no!!

Oct 17, 2010 05:30 AM
Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

Those loans are causing people a lot of problems.  There were good reasons for those products to be on the market, but they were used wrong.

Oct 17, 2010 07:03 AM
Beverly Femia
BlueCoast Realty Corporation - Hampstead, NC
Broker Realtor Stager - Greater Wilmington, NC Are

I'm sure folks didn't understand what they were signing.  I've read & reread & reread one of these and I'm still not sure I understood it.  Of course, with the whole country convinced that up was the only possible direction for value, what it said didn't matter much anyway.  One thing folks with questionable credit are still told is that having a mortgage is a great way to build credit.  The plan in many, if not most cases was a refinance at a later date.  Now that option is gone and this whole scenario regarding negative amortization loans is just one piece of the giant puzzle that is the economic meltdown haunting us today.  The inevitable rise of interest rates just another reason why things are not going to be magically different anytime soon.  Imagine recasting and higher interest rates and it's yet another reason for a queasy stomach.   

Oct 17, 2010 07:13 AM
Beverly Femia
BlueCoast Realty Corporation - Hampstead, NC
Broker Realtor Stager - Greater Wilmington, NC Are

By the way, Deborah, thank you so much for the post.  I really gained knowledge I didn't have before reading your feature.  That's what AR is for me - a source of information from the inside out with the ying and yang of getting multiple perspectives on issues.  That's exactly what's missing in our political dialog today.  

Oct 17, 2010 07:20 AM
Deborah "Dee Dee" Garvin
C2 Financial - San Diego, CA
C2 Financial

Gene,  Your comment is absolutely correct!!!

Beverly,  Your comment is exactly why any consumer who still have a neg am mortgage should be trying to get is recast now and/or make an exit strategy....the sooner the better.  If they are still making minimum payments and cannot afford the increase in the payment for a recast in today's market there is absolutely no way they will be able to handle the payment increase when the bank takes the reins and recasts the loan.  Thanks for visiting and bringing great information to the thread.

Oct 17, 2010 07:24 AM
Mike Bjork
Evolve Bank & Trust - Redondo Beach, CA

Hi Deborah,

Very well, thought-out article.  Thanks for sharing.  Have you noticed a lot of the NegAm Loans have minimum payments that are paying more toward their principal balance (vs. the amortized option)?  I've been seeing this, and heard about this during the earlier part of the decade while rates were low.  This seems to occur when we have a drop in the rates and somebody has held the loan for at least a few years.  Haven't studied it enough to determine if the re-cast of these loans will really hurt the borrowers ability to continue paying the loan (especially since they've been able to pay more principal down as a result of the lower rates).  I wonder if the longer than normal timeframe of very low rates will help diffuse this possible bomb (re-cast).  If they're able to keep paying larger chunks of their balance, then possibly the change in their re-payment won't be considerable, as many may think.  What do you think?

Oct 17, 2010 07:30 AM
Deborah "Dee Dee" Garvin
C2 Financial - San Diego, CA
C2 Financial

Mike,  EXCELLENT point!  And, you may be onto something...however, you and I would have to know 1). when they took out the loan, 2). exactly what is on the Note and the terms of recast, 3).  current balance of the loan and the amount of principal reduction the consumer has been making AND 4). the approximate value of the property.  Remember the recast is set by ltv...in today's market you could be making additional principal reductions and still losing ground.  This analysis would be a very beneficial action for any consumer holding a neg am loan.  They may well be better suited to stick and stay.  And, by the way, you bring up a good topic:  The reality is the, over the course of 30 years, an adjustable rate loan will almost always be better that a straight 30 year fixed.  You just have to have the stomach and resources for the twists and turns!  Glad to have you here~  You work for a great company!!

Oct 17, 2010 08:13 AM
Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

I don't think anything has worked where the owner has contacted the lender to change anything! Give it up, unless it's to the lenders benefit, it ain't gonna happen. Homeowners just don't have the wherewithall to take a lender on & discuss bupp-kiss, maybe an attorney.

Oct 17, 2010 08:34 AM
Deborah "Dee Dee" Garvin
C2 Financial - San Diego, CA
C2 Financial

Lyn,  I think you may be correct, but I can tell you this:  I would certainly be more than willing to meet with a consumer and review their mortgage docs (note) to determine if it would be advantageous to even attempt to get a recast AND I would help them through the conversation with their lender.  Why?  Because if I were successful the good will and referrals would be worth it and, more over, it would remove one more question from the "should we short sale or not?" which would help both clients and real estate agents.  I think there is opportunity here that I wasn't even thinking of when I wrote the article!!!!  Got to put more thought behind this!!

Oct 17, 2010 08:44 AM
Marte Cliff
Marte Cliff Copywriting - Priest River, ID
Your real estate writer

Thanks for injecting a little clarity into the mortgage maze.

Oct 17, 2010 10:31 AM
Nancy Frimann
Eagle Ridge Realty/Signature Homes & Estates - Gilroy, CA

Deborah, I agree with you that it is not as likely as many think it is, for the reasons you have stated.  I have never heard of anybody getting this type of modification to their mortgage when they requested it.

Oct 17, 2010 02:25 PM
Christine Donovan
Donovan Blatt Realty - Costa Mesa, CA
Broker/Attorney 714-319-9751 DRE01267479 - Costa M

I think there are still a lot of people out there with neg am loans who don't understand re-casting or what's coming.

Oct 17, 2010 04:05 PM
Steven Cook
No Longer Processing Mortgages. - Tacoma, WA

If they don't qualify for refinancing, there is likely to be something that will stand in the way of the re-cast as well.  Though it is going to depend upon the particular lender/investor and maybe what his portfolio is looking like.

Oct 17, 2010 04:45 PM
Jon Quist
REALTY EXECUTIVES ARIZONA TERRITORY - Tucson, AZ
Tucson's BUYERS ONLY Realtor since 1996

I agree, most borrowers are going to be out of luck trying to get a principle reduction, simply because their house is now under water. I think they "invented" the strategic default for that.

You'd think the banks would want to keep the customer, but no, after all, they're banks.

I realize the post is about re-casting neg am loans, but the bankers are not much help on any type of product.

Oct 17, 2010 06:11 PM
Robert Vazquez
75 FAST OFFER, LLC/ Countrywide Capital Group, LLC / CRP - Orlando, FL

Interesting article

Oct 18, 2010 01:22 AM
Deborah "Dee Dee" Garvin
C2 Financial - San Diego, CA
C2 Financial

Marte,  Thanks, I try...there is massive confusion in the marketplace today and we need to share enough information as possible so consumers can make informed decisions.

Nancy,  You are correct, but there are people who could be successful if they knew how to talk to their lender/servicer.

Christine,  Your comment exposes why understanding this process is so important.  Agents may well increase their listings because of looming recasts.

Steven,  Exactly!  Every situation is unique.

Jon, The chances of getting a principal reduction are less than nil and a recast does not address or warrant a reduction.  To be sure, a consumer would completely blow their chance of getting a recast if they approach a lender about a reduction.  Totally different animals!!

Robert,  Thank you much!

Oct 18, 2010 03:42 AM
Josh & Julie Hambarian
Josh & Julie - Steele Realty. North County San Diego Coastal - Encinitas, CA

Thanks for the clarification and for the tip on monitoring the negative amortization loans!

Oct 19, 2010 09:37 AM
Deborah "Dee Dee" Garvin
C2 Financial - San Diego, CA
C2 Financial

Josh & Julie,  Thank you, and if you have access to records on neg am loans I encourage you to market them heavily for short sales.  There is absolutely a untapped market there!

Oct 19, 2010 03:38 PM