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Home Inspector with JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC HOI 394

I have found in my business of inspecting homes that the more people complain or continue to complain  the more likely they are to be perceived as some what eccentric. The person or persons who are the recipients of these complaints usually begin to feel this way after, without exaggeration, years of listening to this person gripe about the same problem.she's not happy

The scenario is usually like this; the person or company in charge of rectifying the problem has not been able to do so. They are frustrated by their inability to correct the issue resulting in continued complaints. This is where I usually enter the picture to evaluate the problem using my infrared camera.

Infrared is a great, non invasive tool that can detect what the eye can not see. Infrared is the spectrum of light that might be termed as above the visible light spectrum. It is long wave light radiation which we perceived as heat. Infrared cameras look at the world in a range of subtle temperature differences. The images they produce are gradients of temperature reflected off the objects at which the camera is pointed. The "heat" is in fact infrared light.

It is important to understand that all though at times an infrared image can appear as if it is looking into an object, it is only displaying the surface temperatures. Infrared is NOT x-ray vision. Due to differences in material densities and their infrared reflective-ness (known as emissivity) an image can appear x-ray like, but again it is only the surface you are seeing.

So that being said let me tell you about a job I just finished utilizing the infrared camera. I was contacted by a management company that maintains a condominium complex where a homeowner has been having a recurring spot of mold on her wall. I was told by the company they had made some repairs, but the problem was still happening. I got the sense the management company felt the homeowner was being a bit over dramatic.

Initially the companies inquiry was if I could test the mold. I explained that;

  1. My company does not perform mold testing and
  2. It was unnecessaryMoldy wall

I went on to tell the woman on the phone that the mold was a sign of a moisture problem. Using infrared technology I could possibly locate the source. We made an appointment.

When I arrived at the condo on the morning of the appointment I was let in by a very pleasant woman. She was eager to show me the problem and more eager I felt for a resolution. She showed me to the spot which was behind a hutch. She had cleared it so that I could move it away from the wall. This is what I saw.

Doesn't look particularly good. Not something I think anyone would want happening on their wall.

Normal looking wallOn the outside the wall looks normal, but I did notice a drain cleanout in about the same location as the stain & mold. See it just to the right of the A/C unit sticking out of the bottom trim board.

Now looking at the same exterior wall through the infrared camera shows something quite interesting. There is a pattern, a thermal anomaly. It almost looks like a set of lungs. See it? The dark purple/blue shape.

The thermographer's second tool is the moisture meter. It's used to confirm what the camera sees. Using the meter to check the wall I found moisture. A lot of moisture and some wood decay. Wood decays only after long and continued exposure to water. Meaning this leak was not something new; in fact it probably has been going on for years.infrared image of the wall

What I believe is happening is this; there is a waste pipe in the wall that is broken, pierced or cracked. Waste pipes are not under pressure nor is water in them at all times, so they tend to leak intermittently.

The homeowner has been complaining to the management company regarding this issue for about 5 years.  Their repair had been to put spray foam around the opening of the drain clean out. Basically nothing else has been done since to attempt to rectify the problem.

I think it's a bit ironic that the company that hired me to appease the homeowner will be eating some humble pie.

 

James Quarello
2010 SNEC-ASHI President
NRSB #8SS0022
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC

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James Quarello
Connecticut Home Inspector
Former SNEC-ASHI President
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Dorie Dillard Austin TX
Coldwell Banker Realty ~ 512.750.6899 - Austin, TX
NW Austin ~ Canyon Creek and Spicewood/Balcones

Good morning James,

Wow it is amazing what you found. Sound like this problem will now get re-mediated!!

Oct 21, 2010 11:54 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

You took a very logical approach. And your diagnosis is a good conclusion too.  As I have said, IR is sometimes art and sometimes science.  But the two things together are fairly indisputable.

Was there moisture inside?  Even if not, I bet that insulation is interesting and trashed!

Oct 22, 2010 12:48 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Then again, that could be the beginnings of Mosby and friend making their way through the wall...

Oct 22, 2010 04:24 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Dorie, Yes I believe that it will to everyone's benefit.

Jay, There was moisture on the baseboard stain, but the moldy spot was dry. The condition of the insulation was one of several thoughts I had about the inside of that wall. Who's there?

It's funny you should mention Mosby, here is another IR shot from that morning. There is a spectre on the left. I didn't notice it until after looking over the images in my office. I don't thinks it's Mosby, to slight of frame. Weird.

Oct 22, 2010 05:49 AM
TeamCHI - Complete Home Inspections, Inc.
Complete Home Inspections, Inc. - Brentwood, TN
Home Inspectons - Nashville, TN area - 615.661.029

Thermal cameras are on my wish list. I am going to wait tho until the economy picks up a little...

Oct 22, 2010 08:26 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I'd stick with one camerA, Michael, as camerAS may be a bit of an overload, in more ways than one!

Oct 22, 2010 09:55 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Michael, My one piece of advice would be do not buy one of these inexpensive, water down models. Better cameras cost a fair amount of money, but good equipment = good information.

Oct 23, 2010 12:43 AM
Jim Allhiser
Perfection Inspection, Inc. - Salem, OR
Salem, Oregon Home Inspector

Good advice James.  Those cheepo (less than $7,000!!) models just can't see what the better ones can.

Oct 23, 2010 08:32 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

The other thing is to run all your images through the software as sometimes different color palettes give different information!  Jim is right, no cheapo's!

Oct 23, 2010 11:52 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Jim, Agreed! If you want good information from your equipment, you have spend the money to get good equipment.

Jay, I have found, depending on the job/object, that yes different palettes can yield different info.

Oct 24, 2010 12:52 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Wouldn't you love to find out what is really happening?  I always beg my clients to let me know about whether my suspicions were right about stuff, but I never hear back from anyone.  Does that happen to you too?

Oct 24, 2010 02:20 PM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Reuben, Yes I would like to know, but like you no one usually follows up. It would be nice just to get an idea if I'm diagnosing correctly.

Oct 25, 2010 01:51 AM
Dana Voelzke
loanDepot (203) 733-9408 - Bethel, CT
Loan Officer/ First time home buyer specialist

I am working with a couple now who is buying the house they are renting. So they feel comfortable moving ahead without the inspection. Just goes to show you that you don't know everything that goes on in the home even when you live there. Sometimes it takes a while for the symptom to appear. Great stuff!

Oct 26, 2010 01:24 PM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Dana, I explain to customers quite often until they live in the home they will not discover all the problems that exist.

Oct 27, 2010 01:48 AM