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Our Family Room Is Freezing!

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Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

This is an easy one!  All you need is a website for people with a home inspection problem to find you, a car to get you to where they live, and some really cool tools, including an infrared camera.  Beyond that, knowing what you are doing is important, but you have already demonstrated that with your fabulous website!

Showing up at the house, you want to make sure the front porch ceiling is painted light blue!  When they are not, the IR camera can find things that perhaps you did not want to run into during the inspection!  If the porch ceiling is light blue, and the house thus guaranteed ghost free, just get started!

Rooms can be cold for these reasons:

1.  The windows.

2.  The insulation.

3.  The windows AND the insulation!

This house is five years old.  This high-ceilinged family room has always been cold.

Rooms with high ceilings are hard to heat.  The heat naturally rises and any cold naturally sinks.  Sometimes with an IR camera you can actually see stratification of the air temperatures in a room.  It can be a rather colorful display depending on the color palette a thermographer chooses to demonstrate it.

In the palette used here, blues and purples indicate cooler temperatures.  Certainly cooler temps can be seen all around this bank of windows.  The insulators did a poor job installing the insulation.  Either it was loosely attached (without staples) and sinking over time, or it is minimally present.  Either way this area will get cold.

But look, there is another problem.  Do you see the lavender area in the palladium window?  Its seal is beginning to break.  Double-pane windows have a seal all around which encases an argon gas inside.  This gas, along with any coatings on the glass, provides energy efficiency.  If the seal breaks and the gas dissipates, air gets introduced.  This brings in humidity (you have all seen perspiration inside of windows) and makes the window less efficient.

But as the glass loses that efficiency and cold gets through, it pulls the two panes of glass together.  The closer they are, the colder the two panes become.

Thermographers call this a "bull's eye" pattern.  You can see why!

This is a classic bull's eye.

Now look at the palladium window above and you can see the beginnings of that pattern.  That window is beginning to fail!

As it does, and gets worse, the problem in this room will get worse.

My recommendation:  Call a thermographer who can diagnose many different kinds of problems - temperatures, leaks, electrical, various!

Thermal infrared imaging - it's not just for leaking anymore!  Call your local, and very cute, thermographer!

 

 

Posted by

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comments(50)

Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Roger - I don't know what others charge, but I start at $400.  If it is coupled with a home inspection I charge $300.  To me that is cheap at twice the price.

Chris O. - windows are important, but the installation is even more important.  You can crappify good windows with an improper installation or insulation!

I invented that word just for you...

Chris A. - I probably am thinking a thousand things when I walk into a home that you have never thought of!

Oct 24, 2010 10:54 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Eric - for sure!  It sees temperatures to within 1/10th of a degree Fahrenheit!  How do you like your roast?

Damon - don't know any HERS, but if there is one she probably looks great in the cute thermographer T-shirt!

Gee, Reubs, you think that makes a difference?  Another thing is leaking conditioned air from around where the duct meets the register and BEFORE it gets to the outside.  The underside of the flooring is comfy though...

Oct 24, 2010 10:57 AM
Ed Silva, 203-206-0754
Mapleridge Realty, CT 203-206-0754 - Waterbury, CT
Central CT Real Estate Broker Serving all equally

Jay, the colors in the blog are a week early. Halloween is next week. I definitely need to get one of those cameras to shine at my wife's feet before she comes to bed. Wrong color, wrong bed

Oct 24, 2010 11:53 AM
Richard Iarossi
Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage - Crofton, MD
Crofton MD Real Estate, Annapolis MD Real Estate

Jay,

The Thermal Imaging technology has come a long way in a short period. Have the prices come down on the units?

Rich

Oct 24, 2010 03:02 PM
Steven L. Smith
King of the House Home Inspection, Inc. - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham WA Home Inspector

Jay,

If cute is the key, as to the tech, then I think Nutsy needs to borrow your gear since he cannot afford his own.

Oct 24, 2010 03:24 PM
Tish Lloyd
BlueCoast Realty Corporation - Wilmington, NC
Broker - Wilmington NC and Surrounding Beaches

Jay ~  Congratulations on the Feature!  This is so timely and we see these windows with broken seals all the time -- especially at the beach where people just love to slam those sliding glass doors!

Oct 24, 2010 04:55 PM
Alex Morris - Austin Real Estate Agent
Austin, TX

I would pay big money to have my family room freezing down here in Austin!  Well, I guess I do.

Oct 24, 2010 05:00 PM
Richard Weisser
Richard Weisser Realty - Newnan, GA
Richard Weisser Retired Real Estate Professional

Jay...

This is an awesome way to check for thermal problems! Especially looks very useful to check windows!

Oct 24, 2010 05:24 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Hey Ed - I can tell you that when you think your wife's feet are cold, they really are!  And when she says she is having a hot flash, she really is!

Richard - the one I use, which was state of the art 7 years ago (RAZ-IR) has come down to about $7500.  I bought it at almost twice that.  The good ones are still around $10K.

Steve - my "gear" is simply the universal thermographer's T-shirt that we all get when we sign on to the technology...     ;)

The cuteness is genetic...

Oct 24, 2010 09:37 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Tish - windows get broken seals from use, as you say, and also from wind deflection.  The window above is on the weather side of the house, and gets the wind.  That window is about 6'x3' and that is a lot of square footage of space that has an R-value of about 1.5.

The best energy-efficient windows have just about a 10 R-value.  The worst are around 2.5-3.  Those windows probably originally were 3-5, but I don't know.  However, with a broken seal the R-value is much less, between 1 and 2.

Alex - I see your tongue bulging out your cheek...

Richard - checking the windows and AROUND the windows is a significant check.  It's probably the best energy check inside the home - well, include doors and insulation with that.

Oct 24, 2010 09:41 PM
Debbie Gartner
The Flooring Girl - White Plains, NY
The Flooring Girl & Blog Stylist -Dynamo Marketers

That tool is so cool. Now, if we could combine that w/ my laser, the customers would be in absolute awe.  Congrats on the feature.

Oct 25, 2010 12:28 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Thanks Debbie.  I have been in awe since buying it.  I had one of those laser tape measurers years ago and the sucker never worked right.  I am far more accurate measuring a 20' room with my feet, usually to within 1" (my foot, like Charlemagne's, is exactly 12" long...  that's where we got the measurement of a "foot").

Would this have made you as mad as it did this person?

http://activerain.com/blogsview/1170116/thermal-image-of-my-wife-s-hot-flash

Oct 25, 2010 01:02 AM
Brent Wells
The LivingWell Team - Prosper, TX
Dallas - Fort Worth

Jay,

That is just flat out the coolest man toy around. Where can I buy one?

-Brent

Oct 25, 2010 01:32 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Brent - contact any of the many manufacturers!  I have the RAZ-IR, but they are manufactured by FLIR and Fluke as well.

Don't go cheap!  They aren't worth it!

Oct 25, 2010 01:38 AM
Aaron Seekford
Arlington Realty, Inc. - Arlington, VA
Ranked Top 1% Nationwide 703-836-6116

Very cool stuff, Jay. The images really capture the temperature--I'm sure this would actually be a fun thing for consumers to do. Sign me up!

Oct 25, 2010 02:47 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Aaron - on a 20 degree F day, that large palladium window, with no seal, would be about 25 degrees.  That is very inefficient!  And that will influence a room!

Oct 25, 2010 02:59 AM
Andrea Swiedler
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices New England Properties - New Milford, CT
Realtor, Southern Litchfield County CT

Jay, is that a guarantee of being ghost free???? Do you have a meter to check that? :D

Seriously, great post. Addressing those cold spots can sure help to save a bundle! Addressing the ghosts is a whole 'nuther story...

Oct 25, 2010 04:20 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Andrea - I took Dr. Bunch's "American and Virginia Folklore" class at UVA.  And for sure, painting your porch ceiling light blue wards off ghosts!

My meter to check that is my IR camera.  Here is a recent post about my ghost friend Mosby:

http://activerain.com/blogsview/1910980/mosby-brings-a-friend

The camera does a great job of finding problems with cold or moisture too.  I use it for that now and again.

Oct 25, 2010 04:26 AM
Atlanta's Home Inspector, David Lelak IHI Home Inspections
IHI Home Inspections 404-788-2581 - Canton, GA
Experience the IHI Difference

Great article about infrared, most folks down here don't realize all the things that can be seen with the infrared camera.  That is one of the reasons that we decided to add it to our services, just so we can go one step beyond the normal to help the customer.

Oct 25, 2010 04:29 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

D&B - that is why I did it so many years ago.  I was certainly the first around here, and still there is a huge mental paradigm shift that needs to take place among consumers and Realtors.  IR is the sharpest arrow in my quiver.

Oct 25, 2010 04:34 AM