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Do we need a 3rd party system? Politics in general....

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Okay.... I am not the type that would start a topic on politics, but I read a blog tonight by Leigh Brown; Have some skin in the game!  America is great because we are allowed to have our own thoughts and opinions. Have the Freedom to do things in a lawful manner. Doing things within reason. Basically, having that right that many other countries don't have. This is GREAT... or is it? Who controls this sometimes. What are your true rights?

Something that I have come to realize is that we need change.... a major change when it comes to who runs for these specific offices that we voting on. Entrusting that we are putting the right person in this position of power, per se. Sure, it's defined that "We The People", are the one's that make these decisions. And let's put our differences aside right now so we can think clearly on the next paragraph.

One thing that has been bugging me for over a decade now is that there isn't much of a choice on who we can vote for. Sure, you have the Independents and the smaller parties. But these so called parties take the votes away from those that might mean more in the last minute. Am I saying that these people don't have a "say" in todays society? No...I don't mean that. But what I am saying is that we should have 3 major parties that we can choose from. But that means that we would need to disrupt a system that has been implaced for 100's of years.

Has anyone noticed that when someone is interviewed in regards to who they voted for, they come out and say...."well, I got tired of such and such. And I thought we needed change."  Well people, that change becomes the next person in line. Then we have the next issue at hand. "I am a ______________ Republican/Democratic), and nothing will ever change my mind. "  Again, are we picking the right person for the job or are we just going off of what are family history has stood by.

I am also tired that so many votes were lost this year because so many promised to end the war and bring our troops home. I hate to say this, but promises just to sway votes? And why was it that mostly the Democrats said this and the Republicans for the most part stood behind the war. Do some of these politicians mean what they say or even care?  I bet not. Are they playing off of your emotions. You bet your bottom dollar.

 

 

war & plitics

Are we cutting back on the costs of the war that we end up with this? >>>>>>>>

Are we not supporting our troops now? Is the general public accused of following the media? Can the media sway your opinions? Yes, because some of these parties control certain papers. Does this get back to the routes of who we are?  AMERICAN's....The land of the free?

I will admit that I am a Republican. I will admit that I voted for Perot at one time. Why?  Because we needed change. Not the change of picking the next person in line, because of the person if front didn't do their job. But because of two things.... 1. To have more of a selection and not fall back on who is next in line. 2. And because we need to eat into the deficit. True business people have more of a chance of this. Again, my opinion. ie. Look at Jimmy Carter. Bad choice for President?  Maybe. Ambassador?  You bet. He did wonders for us in foreign affairs, after his Presidency, which was his calling.

There are so many issues at hand. But I am a firm believer that we need someone to run this Country as a business. There are many positve and negative solutions in regards to all of this. But where do we draw the line. Am I showing some of my emotions in this blog. You bet. I spent 2 years in the Army. Did anyone that I ever graduated from High School would have ever seen this happen? NO. Things happen for a reason and I changed course in my life because of my actions. Left College, did the Military thing, and then back to College. And I will tell you this, that was the best course that I could have ever taken. What an experience that many will never have. Were am I going with this? I am also tired of politicians using their previous military experience as a ploy to win office. Democratic or Republican. And then you have a Democrat that actually wins a race, but is against the military per se. Cutbacks....  What about protecting our troops with every piece of knowledge that we have known to man. Remember the protective armor issuses when we first went over to Iraq?  Using vehicles from two wars ago? Who is looking out for who? It gets back to my original statement..... WE NEED A 3 PARTY SYSTEM.  This is my opinion.

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Jeff Belonger
Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc - Cherry Hill, NJ
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Jeff!  What a great political discussion; the only reason I am registered with a poltical party is so that I can vote in the primary elections; that's how it's done in Cleveland. I could swear I lived somewhere (maybe Massachusetts?) where I did not have to be a rep or dem, as an independent I could decide which primary election ballot I wanted.  Oh well.

My first vote for a non '2 Party' person was John Anderson. Yes, I'm old. When I lived in Maryland I loved that the city I lived in which had non partisan elections....imagine this, much more focus on the issues and not whether the person talking is a donkey or an elephant.

Biggest peeve I have right now is that past 'runners up' for the Presidential elections seem to be in first place for the next 'go round.' If ya didn't win the first time, why would a party spend millions of dollars on you to see if maybe you can do it the second time? It's like there are no fresh voices who can be heard because as you guys mention above, the money is with the ones who already have the sound bytes.  IMHO.

Nov 08, 2006 12:30 AM
Nima Rezvan CT Lender CT Senior Mortgage Broker
Nima Rezvan Prosper First Funding Corporation NMLS#110681 - Fairfield, CT
First Time Home Buyer Expert - CT FHA Loans - FHA

Hmmm Politics this AM or anytime this week is not a good discussion for me after the disaster of an election day we had.  Ooops, did I just give up which party I support.  No but to be fair to your blog, but don't we already have 3 parties and at times 4 parties? 

For example, in Connecticut:  Ned Lamont, democrat beat democrat Joe Lieberman but then Joe got on the Independent boat and beat him in the elections after he just lost to him in primaries. 

That is all I am saying about politics for a while now.  Not a happy camper as of late last night into this morning!

* PS:  Jeff, although I did not want to see or talk politics this morning or anytime soon, this BLOG is a 5 in my book and you know why baby!

Nov 08, 2006 12:47 AM
Ron Withers ----Retired Mortgage Professional
Kissimmee, FL

Jeff,

Thanks for your reply and kind remarks!  Let me throw another comment into this political discussion, one that kinda sticks in my craw.

There are so many people out there that are Repuplican or Democrat for no other reason they were brought up that way, that their parents and/or family had always been one or the other, so that is what they are. If you really got into the nitty-gritty of their politics they really don't know or understand the parties platform (planks).

Nov 08, 2006 01:08 AM
Brian Brady
Matthews Capital Markets - Tampa, FL
858-699-4590

While dismayed with the Republican party I intent to take it back to the party of Lincoln and Reagan.  This has been my party since 1980 (I was a high school kid when I announced my intent to register).

I don't need a third party, I just need to reclaim what was rightfully mine.  It was kidnapped by the fiscally irresponsible, free-wheeling zealots.  

Nancy Pelosi can't keep me safe from harm.   

Today is D-Day.  I'm taking MY party back. 

Nov 08, 2006 01:52 AM
Leigh Brown
Leigh Brown & Associates, RE/MAX Executive - Charlotte, NC
CEO, Dream Maker - Charlotte, NC
That's an excellent post, Jeff.  And if I knew how to backlink like you do, I would add it in that crazy post of mine that went off in about 14 different directions. =)  I've been a registered Republican forever, and yes, I adored Jesse Helms, but it's sad that the days of the politicians who said and voted what they believed no matter what are over. The lobbyists and PACs are the 3rd party today. And they're in control.
Nov 08, 2006 02:02 AM
Keith Jeppson - Salt Lake City Real Estate
Everest Realty Group - Holladay, UT

Jeff, I'm usually not at a loss for words, but I'm struggling with my reply.  Sure, we need to improve the system, although it is the best the globe has to offer at this time.

But, I don't see most of your issues changing with a change in the party structure.  You would still have voters flopping due to frustration with the incumbent.  You'd still have the wealthy getting elected because they have the money to get massive exposure.

And yes, as a republican, I voted for Perot.  But, then I've never voted a straight ticket.

Nov 08, 2006 02:12 AM
Rob Robinson- Lehigh Valley PA
Bertrum Settlements (Title & Abstract) - Allentown, PA

Cross dresser*.........errrrrrrr...cross party line voter here also.  I vote for the person.  I belong to the party that best represents my 'values'.

Registered Republican, but not happy at all with present spending and their 'non-position' on immigration.

 * Philly Mummer for those that missed one of my pictures 8^O

Nov 08, 2006 03:14 AM
Mitchell J Hall
Manhattan, NY
Lic Associate RE Broker - Manhattan & Brooklyn

Jeff,

This is an interesting blog. Everyone makes valid points. I have always loved politics. Yesterday I wrote a blog about politics and real estate. "Just like real estate politics goes in cycles".

I saw it coming. I know many life long Republicans that voted for Democrats yesterday. I grew up in a prominent Republican family. When I was 5 years old I attended my first political campaign. My Uncle was a leading Republican politician who held state office by winning landslide elections for two decades. Today he would be called a "moderate" Republican. He was adored by Republicans and democrats alike. 

Unfortunately Karl Rove and George Bush divided this country into North and South. Many good moderate Republicans were put out of lifetime offices yesterday because of the sweep.

This President and his policies are loathed by people in the North including many Republicans. Good people like Christie Todd Whitman, Colin Powell, etc have been shunned by this administration for disagreeing. I hope that the Republicans will move more to the center where most Americans are.

The party was taken over by the far extreme right wing. The north became dark blue last night and the south is very red.

Can a pro choice Republican ever get on the Republican ticket again?  Can the Republicans ever put a liberal like Rudy Guiliani on the ticket? What ever happened to the party of Wall Street?

I have never had a problem splitting my vote for the candidate that I want representing me regardless of party. I have voted for Republican mayors and Governors as well as Democrats. I would not have a problem voting for a third party candidate. 12 years ago Rudy Guiliani a Republican endorsed the Democrat running for Governor over his own party candidate. The Republican George Pataki won anyway. They still worked together. That's what I like, support the candidate and what you believe not the party.

Things only get done in government when different views are debated and compromises are made. I hope the newly elected congress and the white house can work together to accomplish great things for our great Nation.

Running the country like a business? Isn't that what George Bush was supposed to do. Wasn't he the MBA President? He became one of the biggest spenders in American history.

Nov 08, 2006 03:28 AM
Rob Robinson- Lehigh Valley PA
Bertrum Settlements (Title & Abstract) - Allentown, PA
Nov 08, 2006 06:37 AM
Bryant Tutas
Tutas Towne Realty, Inc and Garden Views Realty, LLC - Winter Garden, FL
Selling Florida one home at a time

Hey Jeff, Good stuff. Personally I hate politics. I do vote, but I'm not affiliated with either party. I don't trust any of them. It's all about power and money. The only one that looks after me and and my family, is me. I will succeed no matter what party is in power. I will support the causes I support whether I'm "supposed" to or not. It is going to be along time before our system is changed for the better, if that ever happens. IMO our leadership does not give a crap about us or our needs. We could use a Ghandi, Mother Terresa or Nelson Mandela. Someone that truly cares and stands up for what they believe in. Not one, whose advisers and the polls tell them what they believe in.

The war in Iraq? I support our troops 100%. Both of our boys are Marines, (one retired, one active). Should they be there in the first place? I just don't know. There are only a very few select people in this world that even have a clue as to what the real purpose of this war is and I'm not one of them and neither are you. Is Bush one of them? I doubt it. He is as much a puppet as the rest of us.

But having had my little rant. I love the USA and am proud to be an American. In most parts of the world they would be hauling me off to prison, or worse, for what I just wrote.

I do have hope though that something will change. I too am tired of voting for the candidate that is the least negative.

Nov 08, 2006 07:05 AM
"The Lovely Wife" The One And Only TLW.
President-Tutas Towne Realty, Inc. - Kissimmee, FL

"The Goose"

I stay out of politics as a result of voting for Clinton...I agree with my hubby Broker Bryant...Should we be there? Who knows...I also like a suggestion he made a few days back. He thinks it would be a good idea to have us voters all protest and not show up  to vote anywhere...A complete protest of the crap...Speaking of crap. Goose I have a good one for ya'...I am the proud owner of a crap meter. You must come see it and have yourself a good long laugh...Don't rate me when you get there...But I gather I am now required to rate you so I will give you a fiver. Excellent post as always...

TLW "The Lovely Wife"...Learning To Rate I Guess...ROAR!

Nov 08, 2006 10:50 AM
Jeff Belonger
Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc - Cherry Hill, NJ
The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans

Carole........ Thats for the great compliment. You bring up an interesting point, in regards to the next go around. It's so true with the investment that is made and how they want to carry it over to the next time. And this sometimes leave new voices out of the equation. Some great comments.

Nima.......... thanks for the happy horray at the end. ;o)  In regards to 3,4, or 5 parties?  Each is different and you have to remember your have Primarys and the big Election day. Most of what I wrote about was just frustration in how people look at the canidates and for the fact that at the end.....when the Presidential election comes around, that I feel we need a 3rd party system. And on the other side, there are too many good reasons not to disturb this. It's a catch 22....and it just stinks. But getting back to your 3, 4, 5 parties... if you ever stare at a ballot, there are a lot of small parties. That is kind of what makes America, America. Giving each and everyone the right to run for office and those to vote for anyone. Even if they know that they have no chance in winning. And the reason being is because these people want to try and make a difference, make people believe, understand their views, etc etc. "Freedom"

Ron.......... thanks for stopping back. I totall agree. I am tired now, but I think I said this in another comment earlier today. That even irks me more. I am sure many of us have made comments not knowing everything about something or someone. But to be brought up in a certain era, or under a certain set of rules, or old family values or laws or beliefs.... and not knowing what you actually want for yourself, hurts our society in many ways. But thanks for bringing this up again.

Brian......... we are brothers. You are my long lost brother that I never had. I just have one sister. Trust me, as much as I wrote that we need a 3rd party system and that I do believe this at times.... there is undeniably so many reasons and conclusions not to allow this to happen. One main reason is because it would take away votes from someone that was swaying towards one person, but now they can relate to this 3rd party and just give them their vote.

Going back to you and I..... I strongly look at Lincoln and everything that he did and believed in. And also that Reagan was one of my favorites also. History has proven that these men actually were a big part of where we are at today. But the general public and media and tarnish anyone's name at any given time. And I have to throw another one in there.... FDR, Jackson, & Kennedy. There are my reasons, but this could be for discussion on the beach with some cocktails.

Leigh........... thanks for the generous compliment. The back link... easy.... just cut my title/subject and paste it into yours.

Keith............ you make a good argument per se. But at the same time. You state that even if we were to accomplish a change, it just wouldn't work. A wise man once told me, those that sit back and accept faith or the way of the world, will always be a follower. I consider myself to be a leader. And if that's taking chances, possibly voicing my opinion and at the same time, hit brick walls and or get discouraged because of negative comments. At least I tried and possibly tired to make a difference. Our Forefathers did accept the British terms back then. They stood up.

You mentioned that we would still have people floppingdue to frustration. Maybe if the politicians just acted human, told the truth, and possibly held up their end of the promise... maybe we wouldn't have these issues. Hey, I am not perfect....but stop telling lies or stretching the truth just to get a vote and worry about it later. 

Rob........... thanks for the comment. Talk about a great one liner. Vote for the best person..... the problem is that so many say this... but do they believe it in themself?  Are they brain washed?  Are they so stuck on their political party, that their judgement can be clouded?

Mitchell.......... I enjoyed your comment. You wrote "Good people like Christie Todd Whitman, Colin Powell, etc have been shunned by this administration for disagreeing."  I had the pleasure of living under Whitman for many years. Meaning... I live in NJ. And she made some great changes. She was looked upon as someone with great dignity and honesty..... and made some great changes. And if her own party can't listen to someone as this, then we lose even more. Look what happened to NJ after she moved on.... aaarrrggghhh

Mitchell....I liked what you stated.... in regards to Guiliani endorsing an oposit party..... damn it...why can't this happen more. Why can't we pull together as one. Why does Congress, the House of Representatives all get along and stop the bickering. Why can't they be human and agree with each other, instead of acting like they are their OWN little countries.

Rob........... back again.... lol  I am not going to pay attention to anything else until this weekend. I need to move on with my life right now. I have too much on my plate and need to keep my clients happy, build relationships, and say hello to Active Rain... lol  Sorry for sounding negative. But my opinion from yesterday.... I know and will bet that many decisions were based on the war and the spending. Again, we need to reunite....

Bryant.........DAMN... Yes, I am a man.....and yes I wear my heart on my sleave. I had tears after reading what you wrote. I wrote a comment above your comment in regards to what Mitchell wrote.... Bryant, just like I have said to Brian Brady.... I even feel as I have gotten to know you and read your blogs, that we could be brothers in a certain sense. Meaning...we seem to think a like. I wish you wrote part of my blog because what you said was right to the point and my thoughts exactly. I have a tendency to right a little more at times. Making it lengthy and missing the point in a shorter paragraph per se.

Again..am I a Republican?  yes... did I stick up for Bush the first go around...? yes. Am I disappointed the 2nd time around?  YES  Like you stated, he has been a puppet also. But what kills me are these young kids and young adults that are protesting against the war and the men & women over there... JUST BECAUSE it's their right and freedom of speach. But I would bet that if you asked them all, that more than 75% of them would have no idea why and the basic answer would be... "Because it's my right to stand up"  But do you know why you are doing this?  Doubtful

Okay...I need to eat dinner...yes.. I haven't eaten. I wanted to write this before I ate.... and answer this the best that I could and address those that took the time to comment. Thanks. Great debate here.... this is what America is about.

Nov 08, 2006 11:10 AM
Jeff Belonger
Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc - Cherry Hill, NJ
The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans

TLW.... you snuck in under the radar here... It's sad...I started answering these comments around 5:45 pm this evening. It's now 8:15 pm. I haven't eaten dinner. I know Borker Bryant stops business at a certain hour. That's great and I respect that. But I have taken on 3 to 4 projects all at the same time. And this was my doing. And I have to give each and every one of them my same effort and attention.

I just talked to 2 clients while writing on here.... I have talked to a satellite branch that I am about to hirer in Florida... so we have had conference calls and meetings on the phone and through e-mails.. then I just got a call from my Ops Manager to make sure my SC deal went okay. Someone that works for my company calling me at 8pm at night....who is salary. Talk about a team player..... I am going to be one powerful office and originator because I have surround myself with great people.  And thanks to those from Active Rain that have been supportive.

TLW...sorry, got carried away. I will check it out later...thanks.

Nov 08, 2006 11:17 AM
"The Lovely Wife" The One And Only TLW.
President-Tutas Towne Realty, Inc. - Kissimmee, FL
Have you forgotten all about me all ready...I am up there...I brought you a laugh because I know you needed one...TLW...ROAR!
Nov 08, 2006 11:18 AM
"The Lovely Wife" The One And Only TLW.
President-Tutas Towne Realty, Inc. - Kissimmee, FL
Okay I am off your butt...Relax buddy, you sure sound like you need too...TLW...ROAR!
Nov 08, 2006 11:20 AM
Carole Cohen
Howard Hanna Cleveland City Office - Cleveland, OH
Realtor, ePRO

Jeff I hope you are watching some boring television show, or reading a good escapist book, or drinking a glass of dom -- something that is NOT work related...it's 9:45pm in my neck of the woods.  Welll, yours too for that matter. Anyway, I had to add, that this post rocks because it has allowed so many of us with differing opinions to discuss and do it all with respect. Something missing in poltiics these days. I am hoping that even if we are still embedded (do ya like that computer term?) with a two party system that somehow every one of our representatives can wake up and say oooh, I'm supposed to work with my colleagues so we can accomplish something good for the Country. Wouldn't that be novel? When the West Wing was on the air, they had a political debate and I was so wistful of the fact that issues were discussed, no personal slandering. It was surreal but I thought to myself, I have seen the first issue oriented debate in decades.....except it wasn't real!  Anyway, get some rest. I will be working from 8am to 9pm tomorrow if that makes you feel any better. And PS: I used to work for a company headquartered in King of Prussia and Cherry Hill - I was smiling when I saw where you were located.

Nov 08, 2006 12:49 PM
David Love
David Alan Love, Realtors - Merced, CA
CRS,GRI,SRES,CDPE
I agree. But remember, the founding Fathers did not set Congree up for it to become a profession. People were elected to go to Washington and do their Civic duty and come home! A Congressman has to start running for re-election as soon as he hits town. Too much money. Harry Truman had a staff of two when he was a Senator (and no computer). The average Congressman has a staff betweeen Washington and his district of 100. If they stay too long, they all become the same. What do you say?
Nov 08, 2006 01:09 PM
Jeff Belonger
Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc - Cherry Hill, NJ
The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans

The Lovely wife.... thanks for the cheer.... I am happy now. I just got my offer out to these people in Florida. I can relax now. Just ashame that morning will be here before we know it.... ;o(

Carole...... look for an e-mail from me.

In regards to your comments.... thanks, they make me feel warm and funny, no matter what side of the fence that we are on. Again...thanks for the warm comments.

PS...I actually liked West Wing...until this past year. It started to sound like the real politics... and some were slandering. But I can remember when Alan Alda's counterpart stood up when someone died... and said, let's honor a great man, no matter what side of the fence that we are on. I think it was Leo?

David.... awesome point. Thanks for input. Gee...if we could make them all look at this and tell them, do this job proud, instead of looking at the money, the power, and the privileges.

Nov 08, 2006 01:24 PM
George Souto
George Souto NMLS #65149 FHA, CHFA, VA Mortgages - Middletown, CT
Your Connecticut Mortgage Expert

Jeff, it is only going to change by people getting involved, but unfortunately people would rather complain than do something about it.

The cost of running a national elections has gone beyond out of control, but that does not mean that change can't not happen on a local level.  And the bottom line is that is where it most effects us. You don't have to be a candidate to change things, but you do have to be involved and commited to change things. 

Nov 08, 2006 03:21 PM
Debe Maxwell, CRS
Savvy + Company (704) 491-3310 - Charlotte, NC
The RIGHT CHARLOTTE REALTOR!

Hi Jeff!  Funny that I should find this post (coming from BB's recap from 2006) just after the election and after the debacle, I couldn't agree with you more!  I think that if this administration fails, a third party will definitely become more of a contender, if not the one to beat next go-round!

Debe in Charlotte 

Nov 13, 2008 11:56 AM