How to go from VP to Unemployed

A client of mine just cost the Vice President of Sales for a major homebuilder his job.  Actually, the VP cost himself the job.

Let me take you back for a bit of history on this particular transaction.  After ample due diligence on the community and the home builder, we signed up for a new build in Queen Creek, AZ in January.  My clients passed on a minor preferred lender financing incentive in favor of an institution that could provide an extended rate lock (Wells Fargo).  Thus began the contentious transaction that was to ensue

Additional earnest funds were demanded for using the services of an outside lender.  After these funds were deposited, the rep claimed that the amount required was actually more than outlined in the contract.  We declined to meet this new demand which contradicted the purchase agreement, despite threats from the VP.

New buyers were later offered huge financing incentives due to flagging sales.  The sales rep told my client that he would be included in the new incentive program should he choose to switch to the preferred lender.  Any existing customer who was using the services of their lender was eligible.  He agreed to make the switch ... only to be told from the higher ups that he was, in fact, not eligible.  After much haggling, and unpleasant conversation with the VP, a compromise was reached.  During these conversations, the VP falsely accused my client of being in breach of contract for not demonstrating loan commitment from his outside lender.  He wrongly assumed that we were just drifting between lenders, when in fact, the commitment letter had been in the file for months.  Compromise in place, my client switched to the preferred lender, AMERICAN HOME MORTGAGE.

You know what happens next.  AHM goes belly up.  My client wishes to go back to Wells Fargo at this point with his financing incentive intact.  He made a good faith effort to work with the builder's lender, but there is no longer a builder's lender!  The builder is frantically attempting to forge a new banking relationship, but my client is nervous about the stability of the financial market.  He would really like the opportunity to go back to a trusted institution like Wells Fargo, especially given the rate lock fee he had previously paid.  Thinking that the builder would be more than happy to accomodate a stable buyer while everything was going up in flames around them, we make the request.  The VP declines, telling us we have to go with whatever institution they line up to keep the incentive.  After considerable scrambling, a new preferred lender is named.  I am not familiar with the institution in the least.  My client is told that his purchase price will be reduced by $40K if he goes with the new lender.  My client grudingly agrees, with the provision that the terms of the loan are competitive with the Good Faith Estimate provided by Wells Fargo. 

One week later, Jumbo loan rates go through the ceiling.  We say thanks, but no thanks to the new preferred lender.  We request a copy of the appraisal be sent to the original lender, Wells Fargo.  Guess what?  The $40K price reduction was not really an incentive to use the builder's lender, it was due to the appraisal coming in low!  We had been demanding the appraisal information for weeks and kept getting the runaround from the builder's brass.  So now, the builder concedes that the purchase price will remain at the appraised value regardless of the lender used.  The VP had been outright lying to me regarding the appraisal and for the true purpose behind the reduction.

Meanwhile, construction essentially halts while we have debated various issues, and the completion date is delayed nearly two months.

4 weeks from closing, my client receives a call from the preferred pool builder.  They need his go-ahead to start digging the pool.  He says go.  One week later, he receives a very cryptic message from the VP of Sales demanding to know what his intentions are, and why he is in such a hurry to dig the pool.  He is told that the builder is not too keen on the prospect of having a big hole on the property prior to closing.  Keep in mind that this is the "preferred" pool builder.  The icing on the cake is that the VP claims the home would not pass city inspection with a hole in the backyard!  As if a pool has never been dug in conjunction with a home!  The pool builder is baffled, but does offer that several homes had fallen out of escrow recently.  I surmise that the VP is making an executive decision not to allow the pool to be dug (despite my client being contractually allowed to dig a pool prior to COE using the preferred company) because he fears being stuck with another pool should the deal blow up at the last minute.  My client calls back, leaves a message, and never gets a return call.  48 hours later, he sends a scathing email to both the VP as well as the President of the company.

Flash forward to last Friday.  The president calls my client directly.  My client airs his grievances.  Letting the president know that he was not looking for anything, he simply wanted to clue him in on the aggravation he had experienced throughout the entire building process.  While my client is very pleased with the product, and eventually got everything he could have asked for out of the transaction, the manner in which he was treated by the VP at every step was inexcusable.  After laying out his complaints, which are actually far more numerous than the synopsis I have provided here, the president agrees.  He offers my client a gift certificate to the restaurant of his choice, and my client feels better for the opportunity to vent.

We get a call yesterday from the sales rep that next week's meeting with the VP (which was to be the first time we actually met the guy in person) has been cancelled, as he no longer works there

The moral of the story?  My client is a great buyer and a reasonable person.  The issues that we had with this particular person had very little to do with the actual points of contention, but rather the way in which they were handled.  The president saw what the VP did not.  Especially in a down market, you simply cannot afford to treat customers with anything other than respect.  Even if you believe their demands to be unreasonable. 

I know my client never intended to cost this person his job, and I certainly don't revel in contributing to his ouster, but it goes to show that you are never too important to take the customer for granted.

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27 Comments on How to go from VP to Unemployed

Ther is enough money in this industry to make a good living without being like the guy you described above. Frankly people who do the things you blog about deserve to go as they make it harder for the rest of us

09/05/2007 12:52 PM by Charlie Ragonesi Big Canoe Realestate Jasper,Ellijay,Ball Ground,Benttree (All Mountain Realty)


Chalk up another one for the "good Guys"

I wonder how many people without your buyers tenacity got burned by that worm.

09/05/2007 12:53 PM by Victor DaGraca Myrtle Beach Home Inspections (Critical Home Inspections)


You said it, Charlie.  The guy actually had some valid points along the way, and my client was never entitled to any more than was in the contract, but it was his posturing and arrogance that sealed his fate.

Victor:  Too true, Victor.  I think he was generally accustomed to getting his way by bullying people.  Unfortunately for him, neither my client nor I are much for intimidation.

09/05/2007 01:33 PM by Paul Slaybaugh, Scottsdale AZ Real Estate (Realty Executives)


Paul, it seems as though your client found a VP that just hasn't changed with the times.  I recall a transaction I had during the frenzy in which the builder was trying to strong arm my client over her decision to use an outside lender.  We had to repeatedly remind the builder of the language in their very own contract on a number of points.

But that was during the frenzy, when builders were arrogant, and there was another buyer in the seat next to you just hoping someone would back out, so they could step in.  Now things are so vastly different that if anyone in this business hopes to survive they absolutely must adapt.  And unfortunately for that VP...he didn't adapt.

09/05/2007 02:39 PM by Steve Belt, Phoenix & Scottsdale Real Estate (Realty Executives)


Wow - have to say I love the President of the Co's take on it...and myu staging firm acts in the same fashion.  If everyone in an an organization doesn't have the same views...then they probably don't belong.  How does that saying go...one bad apple spoils the batch?

Thanks for the reminder to all of those out there that are lacking in the customer service field. It seems so many people these days are out there to make money they forget about treating each other with trust and respect!

All the best,

Beth 

09/05/2007 03:09 PM by Beth Patnode, MN Home Staging Firm, Minnesota (Minnesota Home Staging Network~ MN's Top Home Staging Firm)


Steve:  You said a mouthful.  I came to expect such attitude a couple of years ago when the market was at its peak and buyers were lined up around the block for the priviledge of purchasing a house, but in this market?  Ridiculous.

Beth: The president just saved his company from a collosal badmouthing from my guy and myself to everyone within earshot.  It doesn't erase the bad taste of this transaction completely, but at least the problem was corrected for future customers.

09/05/2007 04:12 PM by Paul Slaybaugh, Scottsdale AZ Real Estate (Realty Executives)


Paul - I had a similar situation happen a few years ago when I helped my cousin purchase a new home in Round Rock (just north of Austin).  The builder was new to this area and we had a few hitches in the process (not uncommon).  The surprising part was that we had to go to the local VP in order to get things resolved, as the sales manager was ridiculously unhelpful.  I had to argue with him to get a wooden railing placed around half of the back patio, since it was so high off of the ground and everyone was worried about breaking their ankle if they tried to reach the yard from that side (about 30" or so).  Later, I heard that the sales manager was working somewhere else not long after our discussion with the VP.

09/05/2007 04:41 PM by Jason Crouch, Broker - Austin Texas Real Estate (Austin Texas Homes, LLC)


Jason:  Unbelievable.  Some people are just better suited to jobs which do not require customer interaction.  Thanks for visiting my blog. 

09/05/2007 05:29 PM by Paul Slaybaugh, Scottsdale AZ Real Estate (Realty Executives)


Paul - I agree wholeheartedly with you on this.  Thanks for adding me as your associate.  I have added you as well.  Have a great day!

09/05/2007 05:31 PM by Jason Crouch, Broker - Austin Texas Real Estate (Austin Texas Homes, LLC)


Your welcome, Jason.  I meant what I said on there as well.  I always look forward to reading your blog for that extra human touch in addition to the expertise you impart.  I am proud to list you as an associate.  Thanks for reciprocating!

09/05/2007 05:36 PM by Paul Slaybaugh, Scottsdale AZ Real Estate (Realty Executives)


Paul - I really appreciate your comments.  You have a nice looking family there.  I guess I need to include some photos of my kids as well.  Mine are 8, 6, and 1 now (boy-girl-girl), but you may have known that already if you have been reading my stuff.  Thanks again for your sincerity. 

09/05/2007 05:58 PM by Jason Crouch, Broker - Austin Texas Real Estate (Austin Texas Homes, LLC)


The one benefit of living in an area without room to build new homes is not having to deal with builders!  What an awful story.  I am glad they fired the guy, but you client should have gotten a lot more than a gift certificate for how he was treated.  How about a flooring upgrade or something?!

09/05/2007 06:26 PM by Ginger Wilcox, Marin County Realtor (Pacific Union, Marin Real Estate)


Thanks for commenting, Ginger.  He actually made out quite well.  We were able to command a 20K financing incentive despite going with an outside lender in addition to the reduced purchase price.  The gift certificate was really just a nice personal touch from the pres.  The irony is that a week prior to the VP's firing, my guy actually said that he had ended up getting everything he could have possibly wanted in the transaction ... how about making the VP's head on a stake a condition to closing?  Hand on my heart, he actually said that.  All in jest of course, but talk about instant karma.

09/05/2007 06:34 PM by Paul Slaybaugh, Scottsdale AZ Real Estate (Realty Executives)


Paul - Customer service should always be paramount.  The problem is that in a high-flying market a lot of bad service gets swept under the rug because things are moving quickly and the leverage is different.  Now that there has been an industry shift, the cream will rise to the top again, and the ones that neglect customer service will be left behind.

09/06/2007 05:46 AM by Adam Waldman - Long Island REALTORĀ® (RE/MAX Best)


Adam:  Thanks for stopping by.  An interesting parallel that I have noticed is that many of the builders that still operate in this fashion are also the ones who were so severely short-sided that they declined to work with buyer agents when the market was hopping.  Squeeze the customer and squeeze the sales force and you will eventually come to rue your decisions.

09/06/2007 12:10 PM by Paul Slaybaugh, Scottsdale AZ Real Estate (Realty Executives)


A builder down here is pulling the same crud with my clients.  UNFORTUNATELY, they are my clients because I was going to sell their house.  They went unrepresented to the home builder.  They have been jerked and tugged, and now are told they won't be getting their house.  They are the biggest advocates for buyers representation on New Home Construction now, let me tell you.

 

Lexa 

09/08/2007 11:41 AM by Lexa Montierth (Currently Looking)


Lexa

I am sorry that you had to lose the business, and your clients had to go through such drama to learn your true value.  The misconception is that all we do as buyers' agents is to find the property.  Who needs an agent for a new build?  Everyone!  I have had more difficulty this year with new construction than resale business.  I can't imagine someone going through the process unrepresented.

09/08/2007 12:08 PM by Paul Slaybaugh, Scottsdale AZ Real Estate (Realty Executives)


Paul- This post is being added into my favorites.  It seems that there is a pattern with homebuilders here in the valley.  In this market, you would think they would just do the right thing for the client.  Thanks for sharing. 

10/08/2007 01:49 PM by Gary Miljour - Mortgage Lending for Tempe Arizona (Cherry Creek Mortgage Company)


I figured that this would reaffirm your distaste with the new construction process, Gary.  After all was said and done, I had a commissionectomy performed on me as well.  After months of working to hold on to this transaction with both hands, how was I rewarded?  By having my fee reduced.  They bought a disgruntled agent for $1700.   I offered them the opportunity to correct the "oversight."  3 weeks later ... nada.  All it would have taken was an explanation, a mea culpa, a "sorry, but we took such a hit on this," and I would have been fine.  Ignoring my concern and just waiting for me to go away was a big mistake.  Now I won't show their product in the future.  1600 fellow Realty Executives in Arizona will know how they can expect to be treated by this builder as well. 

10/08/2007 02:20 PM by Paul Slaybaugh, Scottsdale AZ Real Estate (Realty Executives)


Paul,

Whatcha wanna bet this VP just moves over to another builder, and continues his slimy ways? We see this all the time - the cross pollination in the building industry borders on incest. Sad that you had this experience... Even sadder that this happens quite a lot with builders... And they wonder why they are in a jam these days!

10/12/2007 11:47 PM by Patrick Harfst, CRS (Realty Executives)


I wouldn't take that bet, Patrick because the odds are even.  Unless he takes a job selling anti-aging cream, or used Pintos in the interim.  It is unfortunate such weasels always seem to find some other company to infect.  Given the high level of turnover and agent dropout right now, this guy probably had the choice of several positions.  Sad.

10/12/2007 11:57 PM by Paul Slaybaugh, Scottsdale AZ Real Estate (Realty Executives)


Customer Service.......and respect.  That's what it's all about.  The Cocky "Take it or leave it"  or you have to do xxx doesn't hit it........I'm glad your client got what they wanted, to be validated in the way their transaction was handled.

10/13/2007 01:46 PM by Kathy McGraw ~ Calif Broker (CELLing Realty)


Thanks, Kathy.  This was definitely one to chalk up for the good guys.  As Patrick said, the shame of it is that this clown will resurface somewhere.  You meet the very best and the very worst folks in this industry.

10/13/2007 02:03 PM by Paul Slaybaugh, Scottsdale AZ Real Estate (Realty Executives)


Amen to that Paul...we do indeed meet both types :)  :)

10/13/2007 11:03 PM by Kathy McGraw ~ Calif Broker (CELLing Realty)


All we can do is try to remember the good folks.  I have a tendency to recall the negative experiences much more vividly, so it is a constant effort.  Thanks for coming back, Kathy.

10/13/2007 11:20 PM by Paul Slaybaugh, Scottsdale AZ Real Estate (Realty Executives)


Wow!  Your poor client really went through a lot.  Isn't it nice to work with a buyer so reasonable and even tempered on deals like these?

10/20/2007 07:12 PM by Robin Willis, Tucson's Expert Agent, Realty Executives (Realty Executives Southern Arizona)


That's the only saving grace, Robin.  I can't begin to imagine how even more arduous the process would have been with difficult clients.  These were good friends and good people.  Thanks for commenting, Robin.

10/20/2007 07:35 PM by Paul Slaybaugh, Scottsdale AZ Real Estate (Realty Executives)


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