FHASecure Diary Part I - I Took My First Loan App For an FHASecure Loan - Let's Be "Guinea Pigs" Together Saving Alfredo's Home

Last week, I wrote a blog called, Here It Is... The New FHA Loan Program - FHASecure - Mortgage Lates and 100%+ CLTV Allowed

It detailed the new FHA program that is supposed to help up to 250,000 save their homes from resetting adjustable rate mortgages over the next few years.

Today, I took my first FHASecure loan application.  I have to believe I am one of the first since it just came out yesterday.   

Therefore, in the spirit of Active Rain, I am going to do a diary of this process for the next 30 days, or however long it takes to close it, or decline it, so we can all, cynics and proponents, learn from this experience together.

As a reminder, this new FHA program allows people whose ARM has adjusted to refinance their home as an FHA loan.  

Here are the highlights again:

1. The mortgage being refinanced must be a non-FHA ARM that has reset.   Your loan must have adjusted already to be eligible.

2. The mortgagor's payment history on the non-FHA ARM must show that, prior to the reset of the mortgage, the mortgagor was current in making the monthly mortgage payments.  You can be late on your mortgage but you must prove that you were not late prior to the reset and that the reset is the only reason why you have lates now. 

3. If there is sufficient equity in the home, under additional eligibility instructions provided below, FHA will insure mortgages that include missed mortgage payments.  If you are on a plan with missed mortgage payments that need to be paid, they can be rolled into your new loan, so long as you have enough equity.

4. Under certain conditions explained below, FHA will insure first mortgages where (1) the existing note holder writes off the amount of indebtedness that cannot be refinanced into the FHA insured mortgage; or (2), the FHA-approved lender making the new mortgage or the existing note holder may take back a second lien that includes closing costs, arrearages or previous secondary financing.  

Last night I got a call from a valued real estate agent client of mine, Sam.  Sam sold a home to Alfredo two years ago.  Alfredo got a subprime ARM on 100% financing. 

The rate on the first was 6.99 on a 2/28 IO with a 2 yr hard pp.  He owes $171,000 on the first.

The rate on the second was 9.99 on a 30/15 balloon. He owes $42,500 on this. 

Please excuse the mortgage jargon, but the diary of this transaction is going to require a bit of mortgage knowledge.

Sam said Alfredo was very upset because he could not afford his new reset mortgage payment and would soon lose his home as it had not appreciated much at all.   

"Aaron, is there anything we can do?"  asked Sam.

"Let's try the new FHASecure program," I said.  Of course, he never heard of it.  He brought Alfredo into today for the loan app.

Alfredo bought this condo for $213,500 two years ago.   He has never been late.

The rate just reset this month.  His new reset rate on the first is 9.500%.  He can no longer afford the payment and will go into foreclosure if I can't help him with this new program.

Alfredo believes the value today is $228,000, which will make him able to qualify for this program with no problem and leave 3% equity in the transaction, which is what FHA requires on this new program. 

His new loan amount will be $221,160, which will cover the first and the second and pay all of his closing costs.

His agent who referred me believes its only worth $220,000 or less.    If the agent is accurate, and I tend to believe he is, this is going to test the promise of this new program.

If its only worth $220,000, that will mean I can only get him an FHASecure loan for $213,400, which will not leave enough to pay off the second entirely and cover closing costs.   It will be close but not enough.  If its worth less than $220,000 its even worse.

To add to the challenge, his debt to income ratios are 41/46 but his credit score is in the 700's.  He has limited reserves.

Today, I took the loan app, submitted to processing, who ordered the appraisal and prelims, and title/escrow has ordered the payoffs.

It's going to be very interesting what happens when that appraisal comes in.

If the appraisal doesn't come in, will the holder of the second mortgage take a small loss just to be done, will they resubordinate part of it, or will they challenge Alfredo on his threat of foreclosure? 

I am going to have to get on the phone for this borrower, use every bit of sales and persuasion skill I have learned, and convince this second mortgage holder to reduce this lien or re-subordinate it in part.  

I am excited by this opportunity!!! 

The other challenge to this will be that WMC Mortgage did the loan, both first and second, and America's Servicing services the second now.  

God only knows who owns the second today but I will soon find out.  Getting to the actual decision maker at that bank ought to be interesting as well. 

I am geared up for 60 minute hold times and endless "sorry, not my department" transfers.  This loan is certain to be more of a learning experience than a profitable one.

Will they write a new second mortgage for him to cover his deficits?   Will they defer the payment on this new second for three years as one more payment will push his DTI to a much more difficult underwriting zone? How about our closing costs?  What will happen to those to make this work?

Lot's of interesting questions.   I am very excited about this opportunity and I told the borrower how psyched I was to be getting a chance to do this for him.    

Alfredo is psyched too.  He thought he was going to lose his home and is very grateful to be given this opportunity.   He understands the uncertainty of this loan. 

I let him know that he is one of the first.  I told him this is my first time as well.    

As he was walking out of my office, Alfredo smiled at me and said "Aaron, you and I are the guinea pigs!" 

I said, "Alfredo, you got that right."

Stay tuned.  It ought to be interesting.  I will keep you informed.  I will also appreciate any input you have as I go through this.

UPDATED 10/16/2007:   I am sad to report that this experiment, for me, was a failure.  When FHASecure was released, I was very excited about its promise for client's like Alfredo.  Many Active Rainers argued with me.  They were right.  I was wrong.   

In my experience, this solution will help very few.   I blogged my frustrations at The Headline Reads, "Democrats Want President Bush To Do More To Prevent Foreclosures" Give Me a Break, The Cubbies Are On.   I am at a new company now that does not even offer FHASecure.   Not many banks do.  I know of only one and they are having limited success with it.   

The best option for borrowers in trouble today is note modification. Calling on All Mortgage Lenders on Active Rain! Be a Hero - Give FREE Time To A Distressed Borrower and Help Them Save Their Home thru Note Modification

A great place to start is Moe Bedard's website www.loansafe.org.

The good news is Alfredo is going through the loan modification process.  The note holders agreed to not reset the mortgages. 

He has been offered a 30 yr fixed rate mortgage with his bank at 6.750%, and his first lien holder is negotiating with the second lien holder resubordinated their note behind it.   He is confident in the process so for now he is happy.

 

19 Comments on FHASecure Diary Part I - I Took My First Loan App For an FHASecure Loan - Let's Be "Guinea Pigs" Together Saving Alfredo's Home

Aaron, thank for this first installment on your diary. It will probably be a frustrating experience to be a guinea pig, so your additional effort to write this is appreciated.

09/05/2007 08:43 PM by Jim Little, Your Sun City Arizona Realtor (Ken Meade Realty)


Aaron,

   Thank you for the diary and I have some questions, have the guidelines been released in their entirety?  Can you actually send this loan in yet or are you just starting the process and then waiting to see what the process will be?

 Thanks,

John Thomas

09/05/2007 09:19 PM by John Thomas (Primary Residential Mortgage Inc.)


Jim--- My pleasure.  I am excited by it but definitely concerned about the time it will take and the frustration levels I will face.

John--- I looked for the guidelines yesterday and all it said was that it follows standard FHA guidelines with the exceptions of the program as outlined here.    My understanding if you can send this in already. 

09/06/2007 09:49 AM by Aaron Gordon, Home Loan Consultant, Las Vegas, NV (Home Loan Consultant)


Awesome and congratulations! I have 2 clients locally that are equally interested that will call me today. I'll tell you how that goes.

I just saw on the Discovery channel that in Peru, guinea pigs are eaten as a delicacy.....Watch your back! LOL!

09/06/2007 10:12 AM by Bill Nazur (Nazur Enterprises, Inc. & BAMG)


Aaron,  I will be checking on this blog, thanks.  I have several clients that I can put into this program but, because I am a broker, I have to wait until the risk departments of the various lenders that I use put out their credit guidelines.  I have been told it could be a week or 2.

09/06/2007 10:20 AM by 1st Metropolitan Mortgage


Bill--- Classic!!  I am going to remember that as I go thru this.   Keep me informed as to how yours go as well.  Especially when it comes time to speak with the second note holder.

John--- I will be interested to see how the investors view this as well.  When you get those, I would love to see them as well.

 

09/06/2007 01:45 PM by Aaron Gordon, Home Loan Consultant, Las Vegas, NV (Home Loan Consultant)


Awesome post.   I've been waiting to hear about an actual FHA Secure scenario.  I'll stay tuned.  Thanks.

09/06/2007 04:07 PM by SETH CALLEN (OKLAHOMA INSURANCE SOLUTIONS)


Seth--- I am pretty psyched by it but we'll see how it goes.

09/06/2007 11:44 PM by Aaron Gordon, Home Loan Consultant, Las Vegas, NV (Home Loan Consultant)


Aaron - Please post results! I have a similar situation in Michigan and I am curious to hear how the negotiations with the current lender go. In my scenerio the home is worth around 90,000 and payoff is around 123,000. Thanks for posting!

09/09/2007 08:42 AM by Mary Bigelow, Renewing Your Life! (Ma's Marketing)


Aaron,

I will follow your follow-on reporting and progress with keen interest. I just just made a post FHASecure: Is There Room For Improvement. I have a lot of mixed thoughts about the viability and long term success of this program.

Good luck with your client!

09/09/2007 05:46 PM by Ron Withers (Town & Country Mortgage Services, Inc.)


Aaron,

I am new to ActiveRain and I can say that after reading your post Diary I have to admit your willingness to work this through for a client without expecting much (if any) profitablitiy. I am proud of you as a Lender/Mort banker.  Being a Realtor we look for lenders to go that extra mile. 

Thank you so much for the Diary. I stand to learn from you through your process.

Oh and Don't the Peruvians don't care for Lean Guinea Pigs.  And since we are all so lean in the industry you have no worry.

Doug Pemberton

09/09/2007 06:18 PM by Douglas Pemberton (Private Funding)


Mary--- I will!  It ought to be interesting!!

Ron-- I will read your post.  The proof will be in the willingness of the second lien holders to play ball.

Doug--- Thanks!! LOL.  Welcome aboard!

09/09/2007 08:39 PM by Aaron Gordon, Home Loan Consultant, Las Vegas, NV (Home Loan Consultant)


Aaron:

You're amazing... I am verty proud of you helping people, without  expecting make money but clients first... Please let me know what happaned w/ this transaction, I will love to help my clients like you.. Good luck...

09/12/2007 11:36 AM by Vilma Henrnandez


Vilma--- Thanks!  Thats very kind of you.  I will make sure I update this blog when I get more info.  Right now its hard to find investors who are even willing to buy these.

09/15/2007 12:42 AM by Aaron Gordon, Home Loan Consultant, Las Vegas, NV (Home Loan Consultant)


Please make sure you keep us posted how the value comes in on this and if its short what you can figure out! We all have customers that are over leveraged now and trying to find a way to get people out of this mess.

10/16/2007 06:00 PM by Eric Sunsdahl (Sterling State Bank)


Eric---Just added the update.  If you have questions about it let me know but FHASecure is fairly useless in my opinion.  Note modification is the way to go.

10/16/2007 06:20 PM by Aaron Gordon, Home Loan Consultant, Las Vegas, NV (Home Loan Consultant)


Aaron

Your desire to assist speaks far more than the final outcome. I know it sucks that you were not able to complete this for the client's benefit, but it sounds like you still succeeded!

10/16/2007 06:27 PM by Bill Nazur (Nazur Enterprises, Inc. & BAMG)


Thanks, Bill!  I really appreciate that.   I did get re-educated on a valuable lesson that somehow I had forgotten.  Although I believe government, more often than not, has the right intentions, they also, more often than not, don't seem to be able to "fix" things properly when they decide to get involved. 

Challenges created in private enterprise are usually best corrected by the same companies.

10/16/2007 06:40 PM by Aaron Gordon, Home Loan Consultant, Las Vegas, NV (Home Loan Consultant)


Sorry it didn't work out.  Unfortunately, when government/hud makes changes to loan programs there is a huge disconnect from what is really at issue.  They want soundbites that make them look helpful and magnanimous, but in actuality, they help very few.

The easy money during the last 5 years drove prices up ridiculously and the main problem is back end DTI.  The back end DTI levels should actually be lowered because there are more undocumentable soft cost increases in life (cable, 3 cell phones per family, hi speed internet, etc, etc.) 

But at the current level of home prices, there are very few folks that can actually afford the house they are living in, let alone by one. 

A return to sanity/reality will be painful for us all.

10/26/2007 09:04 AM by Rich Sweum (Homestead Mortgage)


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