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How Do We Fix Our Overcrowded Transportation System in San Diego? Taxes or Tolling?

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Have you noticed how willing our state legislators are to spending the tax revenues? Rhetorical question of course. How could one help but notice? The better question to ask is on what? It isn't like our roads and infrastructure are forefront on their 1st page of discretionary spending.

If the funding was for maintaining streets and bridges, that's one thing but since it isn't "sexy", those funds are appropriated for things in districts that hallmark the legislator's image. And what would that look like you might wonder. Well we are all wondering, but we can be sure the funds are going there because they certainly are not going to streets and bridges and other aging and updated infrastructure.

If the state revenue bonds were not enough, the federal system might be considered worse. It's those little things called earmarks that seem to take from the " roads named Peter" and give to the "bridges to nowhere name Paul".

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Comments(12)

Marlene Bridges
Village Real Estate Services, Inc. - Laguna Hills, CA
Laguna Homes|Laguna Condos|Laguna Real Estate

William - Geven the recent bridge tragedy, this is certainly an important issue.  It's critical that we take a look at updating our infrastructure not just for comfort and aestetics but for public safety.  Now, what can we do about it?

Sep 06, 2007 02:35 AM
Bill Nazur
First Lending Solutions - Riverside, CA

Wiliam

Imagine....just imagine,,,,if this whole thing was privatized how quickly the problem could be addressed, and probably for less money, even with added incentives to finish sooner. I'm impressed at how quickly the TollRoads/FasTrak builds their toll roads....pricy, yes, but absolutely worth every penny.

Something has to be done soon....I love San Diego....but the traffic really has become comparable to LA and parts of Orange County. eeeeewwwwww.....

Sep 06, 2007 03:24 AM
William Johnson
Retired - La Jolla, CA
Retired
Hi Marlene, With the aging infrastructure, we need to have sources of funding and bills approved to get the bonds needed underway. It would seem to that citizens around the state would be in favor in getting these stated sooner rather than later. Municiple bonds have always been very secure and it would be a great way too ensure these needed upgrades. At a rate of 5%, they would prove to be very popular.
Sep 06, 2007 04:05 AM
William Johnson
Retired - La Jolla, CA
Retired
Bill, your comments just make so much sense. if we had legislators with vision instead of hindsight, we might already be there. With term limits once again up for negotiation, they will even deeper entrenched. Maybe a mass recall would be in order, :-) Thank you for enhancing the Post.!
Sep 06, 2007 04:08 AM
Bill Roberts
Brooks and Dunphy Real Estate - Oceanside, CA
"Baby Boomer" Retirement Planner

William, you are right we CANNOT  trust them to spend the money appropriately. Just look at how much they are spending to add all those HOV lanes to I15 when what they really need is more regular lanes.

Bill Roberts

Sep 06, 2007 04:47 AM
William Johnson
Retired - La Jolla, CA
Retired

Hi Bill, Thanks for writting. I travel the section of I 15 daily and see from a layman perspective that the design is very poorly thought out. I trust on road design you are also a lay person. Why is it that as lay people on rad design that we  can see the problem and the designer can't? It begs the question about the way the funds were allocated and whose purse was being fattened. Totally amazing. If I 15 were a toll road, this would not be the case. I would personally rather pay the toll than the pay for the waste of fuel of sitting and creeping along and also for the time it takes to get anywhere. 

Thanks for enhancing this post and kn ow your comments get to the real heart of the issue.  

Sep 06, 2007 07:35 AM
Bill Roberts
Brooks and Dunphy Real Estate - Oceanside, CA
"Baby Boomer" Retirement Planner

William, you are about to get your wish. The HOV lanes will be accessible to you for a toll (Fast Trac) but they were paid for by all of us, not some private company risking their investment for a reward.

I personally don't like this "allocation" of my tax dollars.

Bill Roberts

Sep 07, 2007 04:32 AM
William Johnson
Retired - La Jolla, CA
Retired

Hi Bill, I feel the exact same way. I had been speaking hypothetically about I-15 being a toll road. You are right of course, out tax dollars already paid for those roads and they should be designed and operated efficiently for all users. This a clearly double taxation. Pay get it built and then pay again to use it.

The toll roads I am in favor of are those that are created with Bonds sold to investors with accessible capital and the not where our tax dollars have already been allocated. The biggest obstacle to the proper procurement, design and execution are the environmental groups that attempt to keep frogs,snakes,nats and unspecified visiting birds and other offensive bugs safe while humans have no choice but to pollute the air with spent fuel burned at very low efficiency standards sitting massed up on highways and byways while the birds fly over and crap on the windshield. Don't get me started on this one, it could be weeks before I re-surface,lol

I am not in favor of converting out present roads that we already paid for into toll roads.

 

Sep 07, 2007 06:20 AM
Bill Roberts
Brooks and Dunphy Real Estate - Oceanside, CA
"Baby Boomer" Retirement Planner

William, I don't think you intended this post to be about the merits of toll roads but somehow that is what it has become.

I am totally opposed to toll roads, whether public or private. It is an "eastern" concept, not a California concept.

We "invented" the FREEway. Look what we called it. It is our own concept. Now these "eastern" clowns want to come here and destroy fifty years of something veryvery good. I won't stand for it!

And a "private" toll road is absolutely anathema to our way of thinking. TAKE private property for a private use? Is this a defensible use of eminent domain? Are you kidding me?

In the history of this country we had "private" toll roads. They were despicable to say the least. They catered to a "privileged" class. Don't we learn anything from history?

Bill Roberts

Sep 08, 2007 03:29 AM
William Johnson
Retired - La Jolla, CA
Retired

This all started when I suggested that I would rather pay a toll than to sit on a crowded freeway. Funny how all this gets interpreted as somehow advocating toll roads. The alternative of course would be to advocate for the allocations to build the infrastructure that we paid for. I fear we will pay many times again and still not get the roads and bridges that would relieve the overcrowding.

So NO, I am not an advocate for toll roads over the public roads that are just not getting built. Its an impasse though and in the meantime, we waste our time and energy resources trying to fit 3 million people on roads built for 1 million.

There are answers but as long as the voters keep putting the same people in office with the same tax and spend mindset, nothing changes.

One example I can recall was route 125. It had the potential of relieving the stress on 1-15. When the designers proposed the road and the canyon that runs along the east side of TierraSanta was to be part of the route, the environmentalists and tree huggers successfully fought off the expansion as endangering the so called "preserve". If they can't get the land, they can't the build the roads. So their answer is to charge more tax and supply less roads. And if you live in areas that don't share THEIR profile of expected political views, then there should also be less money to maintain what's here. Soon those voters will come a crawlin......, seems to be their mantra.

Sep 08, 2007 04:23 AM
Bill Nazur
First Lending Solutions - Riverside, CA

William

Sorry, it looks like I really steered people towards the benefits or disadvantages of toll roads. Seriously, I'm sorry I put you in that position. :(

Bill R....love getting you stirred up....its when the passion comes out.....but seriously, my intent on the post I wrote is to illustrate that I agreed with the inefficiencies that are so evident in government. There seems to be so much concern and political correctness that we can't get things done.....I can give you a million examples....the Post Office, Amtrak, and the Correctional system come immediately to mind but that's another topic...point is, government is NOT efficient, and it wasn't always that way. Seriously, I look at some of these Caltrans projects that take YEARS when they should take months. I can say that because when I started in finance, it was on the commercial side building hotels. Funny how something so complicated with so many safety mechanism can get built so quickly, yet a flat road takes soooooo long because as William indicates, EVERYONE has an opinion of what is right and what is wrong. Give me a break!

The roads are there, ready to be expanded, re-striped, double decked, whatever it takes, yet it doesn't happen. I think that is the point William intended to illustrate, till I threw the 'toll road comment in there'.

What if government decided to under promise and over deliver? Imagine the utopia we'd live in.........

Sep 08, 2007 07:31 AM
William Johnson
Retired - La Jolla, CA
Retired

Hi Bill, Thanks for commenting and it is no real problem. I explained clearly where I am on it and most understand that. I like differing points of view as it helps each of use be more clear about our positions. It is a good thing and and a healthy thing. Besides, the public seems to just roll along mostly oblivious to the process and then only complains after the fact. When I see 1000's of cars backed up ate the Rancho Bernardo exits daily, it is exasperating. Especially because it is so unnecessary.

Sep 08, 2007 07:42 AM