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will-small.jpg This coming Sunday, I will be hosting an Open House out in the Richmond District. It's an extremely well priced single family home, and I know that it will likely draw hundreds of potential buyers. The biggest draw to the place? It's a probate sale.

A property ends up in probate if a property owner dies without a will. (Just a little side note... Everyone should have a will... if you don't already have one, get one! If you need help getting one, let me know and I can put you in touch with an estate planner or an attorney that can help you get your ducks in a row for what is, unfortunately, the inevitable!) When a property ends up in probate, it typically has to be sold so that the proceeds can go to the estate, and eventually, to the heirs. So how does a probate sale actually work? Read on!

1. Two Kinds of Probate Sales - An administrator is assigned to the estate, and the property ends up being sold in one of two ways. Occasionally, the administrator has the power to sell the property without court confirmation. If this is the case, the sale progresses just like any regular non-probate sale. The main difference in this case is that the estate does not need to provide the buyer with any disclosures about the property (in a regular sale, the seller must provide potential buyers with all available information about the property.) Buyers make offers, the best offer is taken and the sale eventually closes. However, when most people think of probate sales, they think of the kind that require court confirmation. For whatever reason, maybe the heirs are bickering, or maybe there are no heirs, the sale of the property often requires court confirmation. This is the kind of sale I'll focus on today.

2. Where to Find Probate Property - Most probate sales end up listed in the Multiple Listing Service (MLS), but those that don't are listed on the BlueSheet which can be found at the California Superior Court in San Francisco. Of course, if you are a buyer working with a REALTOR® that knows you are interested in probate property, your REALTOR® will do the searching for you.

3. Is Probate Property a Bargain? - Unfortunately, bargains don't exist in San Francisco. Not even in probate sales. The accepted bid on the property must be a minimum or 90% of the appraised value of the property. Of course, everyone makes mistakes. And if the appraiser over appraised the property, it can be appealed. But typically, buyers scope out probate properties to try to find that elusive unicorn (that'd be the non-existing bargain I mentioned) and interest builds to a situation where there are multiple offers... so finding an offer that is at least 90% of the appraised value is usually a breeze.

4. Before the Offer - Probate property, like most other property, is marketed by a REALTOR® that represents the seller, in this case, the estate. Probate sales are "as is" sales, and as I mentioned before, the estate does not have to disclose anything about the property. Does that mean you have to make an offer on the place blindly? Not a chance! You have every right to fully inspect the property. Bring a contractor, bring a friend, bring an architect, bring your mother! It doesn't make a difference who you bring, just be sure to bring them BEFORE you write your offer. Also, one thing to keep in mind... with your offer, you will have to submit a cashier's check for 10% of your offer price, payable to the estate.

5. So Your Offer Is Accepted: Now What? - Your offer is accepted! Are congratulations in order? Not quite yet. Next comes the court confirmation. A court date will be set and the date will be published. For the buyer with the accepted offer, this is a scary date. This is where other people take a stab at overbidding on the property.

6. How do Overbids work? - The first minimum overbid must be a minimum of 105% of the original accepted offer, plus $500. If there are other intererested parties, then the subsequent bid increases are set by the court, and are typically set at $5000 to $10,000 intervals. Bidders must come prepared to pony up some cash-o-la at the court proceedings if their offer is accepted, again, in the form of a cashier's check payable to the estate. My suggestion - bring a check that equals 10% of the highest amount you are willing to offer. If you are lucky enough to get a smaller offer accepted, anything over 10% of the price still applies to the purchase price.

7. So What's the Key to Winning in Probate Court? - This is not the answer that most people want to hear, but the key to winning probate is to discourage others from making offers in court... and no, you can't stand outside the property and tell passersby it's haunted and hope word gets around. The way to avoid other offers is to avoid a bidding war, and the way to avoid a bidding war is by making your initial offer count. You should make your initial offer high enough to discourage others from an overbid that is 105% plus $500 when the court date rolls around. But you don't want to overpay, so you also want to be sure it's low enough to make buying the property worth your while. Getting the price right definitely takes some finesse, but with the right REALTOR® on your side, the process can be easy, painless, and even a little fun!

If you have questions about purchasing probate property, give me a call, I'm always happy to help!

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25 Comments on Buying Probate Property - 7 Things You Should Know

SEP
06
2007

Luba:

Good info.  I never thought of probate sales as being something to go after. Interesting.

5:44am • #1
San Francisco is just one of those markets where you go after every property out there.  Low inventory has buyers trying to grab every opportunity that they can.  Probate scares some people, but it really shouldn't.  It's really quite simple, especially if you have a professional on your side. 
5:47am • #2
JUN
08
2008

If what you say is true then how can these infomercials that sell "How to " packages claim there is no negotiating and no competition when making an offer on a probate property??

4:56pm • #3

If what you say is true then how can these infomercials that sell "How to " packages claim there is no negotiating and no competition when making an offer on a probate property??

4:57pm • #4

Well, infomercials make lots of promises - like "Lose 30 pounds in 30 days" or "take this pill and grow hair" or "become a millionare overnight."

Whether you are talking about probate sales, foreclosures or tax liens, the unfortunate truth is that I have yet to see a single infomercial related to real estate that is legitimate or will truly make you the immediate profit that you (or I, or anyone desire).  In fact, with many of the programs that I've looked into, I find you'd actually be throwing good money after bad!

If you have a specific program in mind, feel free to contact me and I can look into it and see if there's something legitimate to it.  You can contact me here on ActiveRain or through my website at www.lubasf.com.

I'd love to find a program that works, and have explored a few of them because they DO sound so damn good!  But, after doing my research before throwing my money at any of these programs, I always find that there's a major catch - and all they end up doing is ripping off the people that are unfortunate enough to be lured in by false promises.

Luba Muzichenko, San Francisco Realtor
8:23pm • #5
SEP
22
2008

Hi,

Thanks for the great info. I have an offer on a probate property that's been accepted and I am currently biting my nails waiting for the court date. My offer was accepted on Sept 10. Today is the 21st. How long does it typically take for the court date to be set?

Thanks!

Erika

Erika
11:27am • #6

Hi Erika,

It typically takes about three weeks to set the court date - so you shouldn't start panic unless it's still not set by early October.  These things take patience and time!  Hang in there and good luck with the purchase.  :-)

Regards,

Luba

Luba Muzichenko, San Francisco REALTOR
1:45pm • #7
SEP
30
2008

Thanks for the offer, i just put in a offer on a protate property.  But the market is so bad, I am afraid maybe we should have gone less.  Can offers be changed?

 

Regards,

Marisol

marisol
3:47pm • #8

Marisol,

Did your offer get accepted?  If so, you really can't "change" your offer price.  You likely aren't able to negotiate a lower price or credits in a probate sale.  However, if your offer had contingencies built into it, you may be able to get out based on some of the contingencies.  If you are working with an agent, they should be able to coach you through the process.  If you are not, you can email me and I'll be happy to give you some unofficial advice.

Regards,

Luba

Luba Muzichenko, San Francisco REALTOR
7:34pm • #9
APR
15
2009

Im am looking at a probate property in los Angeles Ca,  I was wondering, is it 10% or 10% deposit.  I am borrowing the money and want to know how long before I can pay if back.  I wanted to finance the total purchase price of the house minus the closing cost.

Leticia Alvarez
10:21pm • #10
APR
20
2009

Leticia, you will need to put down a 10% deposit.  Also, you mention you want to finance the entire purchase price, but honestly, loans aren't working that way these days.  You really need to have a minimum of 15% down unless you do an FHA loan. 

4:50am • #11
JUL
13
2009

I have an accepted offer on a home that is in probate and I'm waiting for court approval.

I had a septic inspection today and found that the system needs to be replaced. The seller says that since the property is in probate that it has to be an as is sale. My feeling is that it at least has to function and that the sewage shouldnt be free flowing and creating a health hazard.

Do I have any option other than to take it or leave it. I like the home and I've accepted all of the other issues some major, but this seems wrong.

Any suggestions?

Jan
8:08pm • #12
JUL
14
2009

Hi Jan,

Was this a probate sale that required court confirmation?  Sometimes the estate won't allow the seller to do any work that isn't mandated by law. 

Unfortunately, there is no law that says anything in the house has to function.  It depends on your purchase contract and the contingencies you have put in. But honestly, the seller doesn't HAVE to honor your request to fix the septic system and you don't HAVE to buy the property. 

Now, if you had purchased the home, and THEN discovered the issue and found the seller knew about it and didn't disclose it, well, then, you would be able to sue.  However, on the surface, it sounds like your options are, unfortunately, take it or leave it. 

Sorry.  Wish I had better news.

-Luba

12:10am • #13
FEB
01
2010

i'm in illinois and very interested in a 1950s ranch. the house is in a trust.  it is being sold as part of an estate.  they are asking a pretty high asking price and are selling it as is.  It needs some cosmetic updates and I was wondering is 25% to much to ask them to lower the price? Also we are doing this as a FHA loan does all the details above apply?

MIRIAM
7:39pm • #14
FEB
02
2010

Hi Miriam,

Unfortunately, I really don't know a thing about real estate in Illinois.  As Realtors, we really specialize in our local areas, and it's true what they say - all real estate is local.  I'd be able to locate Illinois on a map, but that's about it. :-)  Sorry I can't be of more help, but if you need a referral to a local agent that specializes in your area, let me know where you are looking and I'll be happy to put you in touch with someone in my network. 

Best regards,

Luba

Luba
12:23am • #15
APR
14
2010

Who pays the realtor's commission in a probate? Does the buyer use an escrow company?

Kerrie
1:44pm • #16

Who pays the realtor's commission in a probate? Does the buyer use an escrow company?

Kerrie
1:45pm • #17

Who pays the realtor's commission in a probate? Does the buyer use an escrow company?

Kerrie
1:45pm • #18

Hi Kerrie,

The estate pays the commission - it comes out of the proceeds of the sale.  And in California, the buyer and seller would use an escrow company.  I'm not sure about other states.

luba
10:26pm • #19
JUN
15
2010

Hi Luba,

read your answers to the various queries, think this is agreat avenue to some questions on probate sales.

 

i saw a property and it happened to be a probate sale (not sure what type yet). there are two parcesl to this property. my real estate agent gave me a property profile report that has under the "Sale & Loan Information" that the under Deed Type as "Grant Deed" adn the other has "Quit Claim" on it.  what do they mean?

apprecaite your response.

debbie
9:14pm • #20
AUG
15
2010

I just happened on a home in probate.  I spoke to the agent and he told me to just put offer in on what I think it was worth. He told me at this point they had no offers and the court was going to hear the situation in one week.  If my offer is accepted and I want property can I increase my bid if necessary?

gilbert
3:36am • #21
AUG
17
2010

Debbie - I'm so sorry I missed your response!  A Quitclaim deed is a deed that you would sign releasing your interest in the property.  For instance, an ex-wife removing her name from the property she and her husband shared.  A Grant Deed is the regular deed that records the actual ownership.  I hope that helps!

 

Gilbert - You are indeed able to increase your bid at court.  You will have to attend, and you should bring a cashier's check for 10% of your maximum purchase price.  Of course, you should also have an agent representing you.  If you are interested in making an offer on this property, let me know your location and I can help you find a great agent!

3:40am • #22
AUG
27
2010

Hi Luba,

i would like to place an offer on a probate home but don't want to have my 10% tied up for months.

the selling agent is saying it's going to take 4-6 weeks to schedule the court date and we found out court dates are currently taking about 10 weeks, so that's 4 months!

what options do we have?

why would it take them 4-6 weeks to schedule the court date, when it has to go to court?

does this sound strange to you? can we add a time contingency to the offer?

thanks!

martin

Martin
4:02am • #23
AUG
29
2010

Having to include a cashier's check 10% of the offer price payable to someone other than an escrow company sounds dangerous doesn't it? Thanks!

Lisa

 

lisa
3:33am • #24
SEP
30
2010

Put an offer to a property estate. the appointed administrator in state of WA accepted the offer. What instructions does the buyer give to the escrow and title company to protect the buyer from claims from other heirs/party in the will(if any), excise tax, estate tax etc.  Title insurance making exceptions on those in their schedule B. 

 

Is there a list of what things buyer should look at before closing?

 

Thanks

Andrew

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7:57pm • #25

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