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11 Comments on Cash Back At Closing, Why It Is Fraud, Why "They" Will Be Looking For You
What a good post!! Thank you Ken. Luckily, I have never come across this issue. Heard about someone who thought about it, don't know if it happened.
Fran Rokicki, Clubnet~Mentor, Broker~CT
Brian Buffini's Turning Point is in Altanta, Ga. today and tomorrow, is that near you?
Ken, If I had a dollar for every REALTOR(R) in my area who thought "cash back" was perfectly legal I'd be a wealthy man!! It's always the same response, "But the lender(MB) said it was fine we just have to have a separate addendum. They do it all the time." Well ok then. Let's do it!!!!
Good informative post Ken.
Miriam, no one else threatened to come kick my ass. But, you're right, it doesn't matter who he had his license with so I removed it. But historically it still makes sense. Seems to be some lack of professionalism among those ranks. I do humbly apologize if you are one and you took that to your person. I will say one of their original agents used to work for me as a loan officer and he was a very nice, lazy man.
Frances - thank you. I haven't seen it too much in the northeast but I'm sure it's there. Yes, we're a small community of about 650,000 just across the river from Atlanta. Sorry, I've never heard of Brian. I'll Google him.
I had a situation with a builder and a regular client of mine. In addition to the commission, the builder was also paying a $6,000 bonus. "Very nice" I said. "I want my client to have it". The builder tells me "no problem" and we proceed almost to the closing table. You see when the HUD1 arrives, the $6,000 is in my column for me to be paid. I called and reminded them of what was supposed to be happening and they told me that was up to me but it would not be appearing on the HUD1.
I think if it's not on the HUD1 then it's mortgage fraud. Pure and simple. The builder would not budge and so I had to inform my client that he would not be getting the bonus but that I would knock the $6,000 off the next deal we did and this is indeed what happened.
The builder's lack of ethics truly had to be seen to be believed.
Bryant - now let me think, I wonder why that would be a separate addendum. Do you suppose that sheet of paper stays with that loan as it goes through the secondary market? Hmmm ...
Chris - I have heard that song many times. Shall I sing along? My mom used to say, "If your friend jumped off a cliff would you do that too?" Too many sheeple, not enough ethics. Thanks for the comment!
Okay, see? Already it has started. From someone evidently too ashamed to post here I received this anonymous email from someone who thought if they changed their name to anonymous I couldn't see their email address. "You are wrong. I checked with my attornee and if a seller wants to give cash to the buyer after the close of esrow there is nothing the lender can do about it. It is none of the lenders business if it comes from the seller they can do anything the want with there own money. I have been clients selling for many years with this process and it is not fraud."
Wow. Gosh, I must be wrong. But I'm not. Sorry d.garza@... Oh, by the way, are you sure that was an attornee (sic) you checked with?
CLARIFICATION: If you are a LICENSED real estate agent and you wish to give part of your commission toward the closing or to the buyer that is your prerogative. If that commission is not within a standard range that's a red flag. ALSO there are occasions when the seller can give the buyer a cash rebate such as $2500 carpet allowance or $1500 appliance allowance ... WITHIN REASON.
I think most mortgage companies have limits as to how much cash back a buyer can receive. anyone heard of New home builders participating in things like this?
Dwayne West-"Atlanta Golf Homes specialist"
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