Broken Heart"I don't know what to do any more. She and I are hardly speaking and on top of the money problems our marriage is being threatened as well. Is there any hope for us to get out from under this huge payment? "

I was painfully reminded of how money problems are the greatest cause of divorce this week.  Both of the families that are being threatened by bad financial decisions came to me for advice as a mortgage loan professional.  One man from Escondido contacted me through Active Rain and gave me permission to share his letter.  Here it is:

Joey, I'm in real financial trouble. I've always allowed for my wife to handle the bills but just recently found out that she's been hiding our money problems from me. Our house is in (the beginning of foreclosure) and I had to pull teeth to find this out. She's saying that she is going to pull the two late payments from her 401K to get us caught up but we have another $3827 payment due by the 15th of this month. I think that the loan is for $416k and adjustable. I had signed some loan docs January of this year and she's been telling me that the loan was refi'd but it's all been lies. Is there any hope for us to get out from under this huge payment? I'm begging you to please help us if you can. Even if we can get caught up, I don't for how long we can keep up. I did a budget and we just don't have the money.

Unfortunately, after reviewing his situation, there was no loan solution to help them at this time and the home was going to be bank-owned before they could sell it.  All I could do was let him know that he's not alone, that people through bad advice or their own bad decisions have been trapped in a corner financially.  I said a prayer for him, and encouraged him that although this is a painful experience, it is possible that this could be the beginning of a new start for him and his family.

Here are some ideas to avoid letting money get in the way of marriage:

  • Share bank accounts.  Some people keep their finances separate thinking it will shield them.  What I've seen is that "Where your treasure is, there your heart is also."  If you can't share money, you probably can't share your life.
  • Be accountable to a budget.  My wife and I struggled for years to stay on budget.  One of the best tools that we found to keep track of our money AND to be open and honest with each other is Mvelopes, an online tool that keeps track of all your accounts in a very easy way.  This link will take you to a free 30- day trial, and HERE's a movie that explains it.  It really helped us, and is even kind of fun.  Plus, there's no room for secrets...everything you do is there to see.
  • Remember your commitment.  A vow is a very powerful thing.  If you're married, divorce isn't something you should keep in your bag of tricks to pull out any time things don't go your way.  That's not to say that divorce isn't best sometimes, but that just because the husband or wife, or both, make mistakes doesn't have to mean the end of the marriage.  Most wedding vows say "For richer or poorer."
  • Access faith.  Faith is keeping hope alive, when all seems hopeless.  Let's face it...this is the United States.  If you ever lose everything and get to the point where you don't even know where your next meal is coming from, someone is probably going to give you a sandwich.  One of the most successful people I know was homeless once, sleeping in his car.  You can rebuild a broken relationship and you can build a better future.
  • Trust a good friend.  There are plenty of people who are in bad financial situations because they bit off more than they can chew financially.  Do you have friends that can give you solid advice?  For example, I was having trouble paying some bills but really wanted to buy my wife a new computer.  It was a good friend who told me that I should hold off, even though I really wanted that computer.  My friend was right.
  • Work with good people.  Just this week a woman called me who I worked with two years ago.  Her credit was in rough shape, so her refinance mortgage loan fees were more expensive.  I could have reduced the fees, but only by adding a pre-payment penalty or making the loan an adjustable rate, but I wanted to make sure she had the right loan for the long haul.  She ended up canceling her loan because some other mortgage lender was offering lower fees.  Now her rate has jumped to 10% and climbing...and she's having trouble making the payments.  But because her credit is just awful, another refi is not the answer.  She'll either have to make the payments somehow or sell the place.  Always work with someone that you can look in the eye...and ask for references.
 
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34 Comments on Money Problems Threaten Homeowners' Marriage

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Joey now this is a powerful post! My husband and I both have access to all financial information. We each have a log-in to our bank accounts and if one of us spends anything the other one knows right away! We have the spreadsheet on my computer and he is networked in and logs into and grabs a copy every couple of days. You just have to know what the other person is doing. I have seen to many people get into trouble because they trust the spouse is taking care of it. Heck neither one of us could buy a soda without the other one knowing about it.
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Joey, Unfortunately we are seeing more and more of this... I had a similar situation this week.  My heart breaks for them.  Good post!
1:04am • #2
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Joey

Great Post,

Spoken like a true mortgage professional.  It breaks my heart when we cannot help certain folks.  Your advice is priceless.  I started giving copies of the book "the richest man in babylon" to helps clients out.

 

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Ashley:  Good for you and your husband.  There's a casino near my town and there are plenty of people who get in trouble by harboring a secret gambling addiction.  With Mvelopes or some other accountability, it's really hard to keep that hidden.

Kim: Yep...just about every day this is going on.  Fight the good fight, and thank you for visiting.  Keep coming back!

Gary: I'm going to have to check out that book.  It's only gotten tougher to help folks.  I'm excited about the new FHA guidelines to help fix 'broken ARMs', but the combo of bad credit decisions and lower values in my market is proving unfixable for many.  Thanks for your insight...keep in touch.

1:14am • #4
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This is so sad.  It always amazes me when people have no clue what is happening with their finances. 

Just as amazing is how many couples think they should keep 'my' money separate from 'hers/his'.  It makes no sense to me.  What kind of marriage is that? 

 

2:53am • #5
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Joey, great post.  It is so unfortunate that money issues can destroy so many marriages.  My wife and I just help each other out when we need it and continually motivate each other to work harder, smarter, and earn more.  Together, we've weathered some difficult financial times.

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Joey, EXCELLENT advice!!  I'm amazed at the people that I run across who have seperate finances.  I had not ever thought of the ramifications that could cause until reading your post.  My husband and I have been married for 31 years and have always thrown everything in to one pot so to speak.  Even before he got his real estate license to help me I still had his name on my bank business account.  Finances have not alwasy been easy; especially when the kids were younger but you are right for richer or poorer!
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Doreen: I understand why some folks do the hers/his thing. It's coming from a place of worry and fear.  So you gotta ask youself...is worry and fear what I want in this relationship, or is it partnership and trust?  People don't think it through, and it's worth the risk to have a great partnership.  People will make mistakes...that's part of it.

Brian:  Good things, all.  From what I've read, you need to add encouragement to 'save'.  By save I don't mean putting money in savings (although that, too), but just spending less.  For example, if you shop around for a cheaper vacuum cleaner and save $100, you've actually saved more than that...because to bring home $100 you may need to make $200. Thanks for staying in the conversation.

Marchel:  My wife and I did the same right before we were married.  But we learned it from a book or something...most of us just didn't get the education on money from our parents, and it's not something they're teaching in schools either.

10:20am • #8
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All I can say is...many people are gpoing to be in the same situation very soon.....

The adjustable rate problem that was created is NOT simply going to go away.... I am glad I did not buy a home back then with one of those teaser rates.....

I'd be in so much trouble now that it would be unbearable....

=-)

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Harb:  Thanks.  The new FHA guidelines will help.  It's just a perfect storm of greed, opportunity, and massive brainwashing.  All parties are a little guilty, all parties are victims.  Will there be a next time?  Let's hope cool heads prevail.  Thanks!

4:55pm • #10
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Thanks for a greatpost, that is very well spoken from a heart that truly cares about your customer. I will check out the link and bookmark for later!

5:13pm • #11
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Thanks for a great post, that is very well spoken from a heart that truly cares about your customer. I will check out the link and bookmark for later!

5:13pm • #12
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Diane, thank you for the compliment so good you had to post it twice.  Do check out the link, because it's been very helpful to me.  I really appreciate you frequenting my blog...thanks.

5:30pm • #13
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Joey  LOL, I didn't do it on purpose. I checked out your Mvelopes sight, and I am really impressed! I am going to add that link to my web site. Thanks for the tip!
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Joey,

Truly spoken as someone whoactually cares about his customers. May your business prosper.

                 GOD BLESS YOU

10:24pm • #15
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Have your client contact 1-888-995 Hope

You'll find information on this company here - maybe they can help.

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10:56pm • #16
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Diane: You're a good sport.  And that Mvelopes is a great way to add value for clients, to show that we care beyond our own commission, but for their overall well-being.  Good luck.

Hugh: You are very kind.  And I'll accept any prosperous well-wishing, too.

Kate:  The link didn't work out for me...can you email it to me or comment again?  I'm curious.  Thanks for the help.

11:20pm • #17
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Wow - that is a tough one. I see this all of the time and it breaks my heart. I hope this family will heal. Thank you for sharing.
11:32pm • #18
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Good ideas, hopefully they will help some caught up in this mess. But for others it's a foreclosed condition.
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I have never gotten caught up in the separate account thing. I am not sure if this is a cultural thing, but a lot of older women I know like to tell younger women to keep a rainy day fund just in case "he decides to act up." Or, men will keep separate money so that the wife doesn't know everything.

Whether it's cultural or not, I don't know how someone can expect to build a solid marriage when they have a back-up plan for "when" it fails. I really think this is what happened with Shaq's wife and it's very unfortunate. I keep saying that I hope they can work it hope, but it's beyond money. He feels that trust has been betrayed. With the right counsel (the Word) they CAN overcome this too.

Thanks for a great post.

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Joey, try the link now - there was a double http in there - sorry!!
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Joey, Thanks for another well written post with solid advise.  Sometimes, the problems we create will take some time and effort to get out of...but it's worth the effort. A statement that helps to put things in perspective is:"it took you 30 years to create THIS mess, why not give yourself about 3 to clean it up?"
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Rhonda:  It's only happening more and more.  Money habits are sooo ingrained.  That's why credit history is still the greatest factor in extending new loans.  People can change...but few do.  Thank you for coming by.

Armando:  That was very ominous and spooky...like the end of a Scooby Doo show (And I wouldn't have gone into foreclosure if it wasn't for you pesky lenders!)

Toni:  Here, here.  A well written comment, indeed.  Keep 'em coming.

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Kate:  Thanks for correcting that link.  I've added it to my favorites.  Turns out that the organization is partnered with a non-profit credit counseling service I already refer my clients to...one that I really trust.  Thanks again.  With your permission, I may post some of that info in a localism post.  I'll thank you and link to you, if I do.

Lola:  Thank you.  I'm trying to write good posts so that you come by and pat my back!  I love your response. It's true...we need to keep a good perspective when cleaning up our messes.  Come back soon!

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Joey - This is a great, informative post.  These are good, sensible tips.  I enjoyed getting a chance to speak with you earlier.  Stay in touch - we'll talk again sometime soon.  Take care and God bless -
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Joey- I know that there are several banks that are willing to help those that are behind. Some will work out a plan they just need to know who to ask. I have also seen banks reduce the payment back to the intro rate before it began adjusting so the people have a couple years to get on top of things again. Call me if you want in the office and maybe I can give you some ideas that might be able to help these folks. (805) 522-2111
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This is where alot of my business is going these days to help people who are near foreclosure or who need to get out from under a bad situation.  When one spouse is deceitful it takes alot of work to rebuild trust in the marriage.  I think that is going to be a mountain that this couple will have to climb to work it out.
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Joey, can you let me know which credit counseling service you refer your clients too? I would like to check them out. I am leery about sending my future clients to such an agency without a strong referral. I have been looking for such a program without having to try to do this myself. I'd rather have solid partnerships than to try to be everything to everybody. :-)
8:43am • #28

Good advice. I don't believe in seperate accounts either. What's his is mine and what's mine is his. We have seen other couples have seperate accounts and you can see the gaps in their relationship in other ways too. They are trying to be independent but also be part of a partnership and it just doesn't work. Either you are fully committed to the partnership or you are committed only to your own self and you can't do it both ways. Someone once said that marriage is about diving in head first and hoping you don't hit your head but if you don't ever take the plunge then you don't get to ride the waves. (must have been a surfer, lol!)

We like Dave Ramsey. You can listen to him on AM radio here in Houston and probably in your state too. We like him because he's a Christian, because he has been there and done that, because his advice is biblically based and because there are plenty of testimonials, including ours, that proves it works!

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Jason: It was so great to take our conversation 'off-line' (or does the telephone count as offline?).  I'm glad for our new friendship.

Dan:  That sounds like a plan.  I was out sick today and just getting some email/blogging done, but don't let me forget.

Endea:  You're not the only one.  A lot of my Realtor friends have gotten fast educations in short sales, etc.  Way to roll with the punches.  Come back soon.

Toni:   I have a friend named Lori Lamb at Springboard Credit Counseling Services in Riverside, California.  I had her as a guest at the Real Agent Help Monthly Breakfast and she did a great job.  I've been referring clients to her.  I'm not sure if they're in TX...you might google search.  If you need her contact info, email me.

Cheri: We're all about independence in the west...but there's a huge downside to the myth of the self-made man or woman.  What's so great about making it on your own, anyways?  I say, let's give kudos to the people humble enough to say, "I need you.  I need your help to be everything I need to be."  Those self-made types often succeed at the expense of others.  Thanks for your comments!

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Great job touching on something that not a lot of people are comfortable with.  How needed, though.  I applaud your post.  Keep 'em coming!

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Greg: Thank you for visiting and for your kind words. It's a tough world for a lot of folks right now. I wish you well!
2:30pm • #32

One word - prenup

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Chadd! Tell me you're joking! A prenup is a great way to say: "I love you, but I don't trust you."
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