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I read the events in the local paper and my jaw keeps dropping.
Two 13 year old boys in Chappaqua had their bake sale stand shut down for not having a permit. The police officers who had to stop the little venture were very polite, but the parents were incensed, and eventually the local paper filed a Freedom of Information Law (FOIL) request to find the complainant and it was actually a town councilman.
The councilman, Michael Wolfensohn, said he called the cops because he essentially didn't feel he could handle the situation himself. The press the case has now attracted has yielded the local politician some rather unwelcome attention, and he has admitted that he could have done things better in hindsight. The story has gotten legs, and he has gotten angry and threatening calls and emails. Sad.
"In hindsight, maybe I should have done that <approach them himself-JPF>, but I wasn't sure if I was allowed to do that," he said. "The police are trained to deal with these sorts of issues."
For me, the moral of the story is that engaging in commerce in this modern age, especially in New York, is not easy. There is always someone around the corner ready to take you down, invoking some arcane minutiae of the law or perceived shortcoming. In the case of these two young men, an innocent effort was scuttled and I hope they do not lose heart.
I think the councilman has regrets too, but frankly, if he were in my town I'd vote him out. I don't have faith in the judgment of a person who feels the police are the best way to handle two 13-year olds selling cookies and brownies. We don't need the blind leading the blind around here.
If it is this hard to sell brownies in this environment, imagine the challenges facing those selling homes.
15 Comments
on Cookies, Brownies and Intrigue in Chappaqua
NOV
16
2010
Philip....he should have done this much differently.....however, there was no adult supervision and who knows what was in that food or how it was made??? they're teens.....I guess a little "weed" in a brownie won't kill you!! might do some good to a few!!!
Good analogy and of course it will be a featured post. I guess I can see why he 'shut down' their bake sale but maybe he can have a better and much more gentler approach? That councilman should have a better PR person...
Phil, Do they beat the Girl Scouts when they sell cookies too?? People everyone complain about lazy kids and when a couple show initiative they get shut down? Something is wrong with this picture!
Hi Phil~ I saw this on Facebook and came to ActiveRain to comment. That town councilman is such a tough guy, and what a great representative of the leaders of the town! (You know I am saying that facetiously) He apparently has too much time on his hands to be worrying with unimportant matters! I can't even imagine someone thinking that calling the police for something this trivial was the right way to handle this situation. I would NOT want to be selling anything in that town, let alone houses!
Hmmmm . . . what's not "public" about a public park?!?
What a shame that the boy's good intentions are met with such stern reprimands. A very traumatic thing for young children to have to go through. The police shutting them down?!? GEEZ, it wasn't as if they were running a SPEAK EASY during prohibition.
I can only imagine the boys' heartbreak and anxiety that this caused them. They are all excited about coming up with a good idea, their parents helped them (I'm sure taking them to the public park). Parents involved with their childrens' project ... what a novel idea!! Having some family interaction, neighborhood interaction, planning their project, baking their goodies!! POSITIVE in every way.
And then . . . using the police department to be the enforcers of this totally victimless "crime" -- because the didn't have a permit.
We blame society for the bad children, the bully's, those that do negative things. Then when two young lads try to do something fun, and engaging -- BUSTED!!
The city should be thanking them for their wonderful project. Being good children who thought of a fun thing to do. I hope their spirits aren't broken by this. The city should issue them a FREE permit, and look at them as productive citizens -- not law breakers.
What a very sad "civic lesson" these children had to learn. I'm sorry for their disappointment.
At first, I thought that maybe some "busybody" (Mrs. Kravitz-like individual) had requested that the councilman check it out, but it appears he called the cops on his own. Amazing. And LOL on Barbara's comment above...
this is awful. I'm going to make sure my parents know so they can help vote him out. My mom is on the League of Women voters (maybe treasurer or something). So, I'll make sure she gets the word out. This is awful.
Phil - I tried of something neutral to say regarding the police ... but I couldn't. I would think the Police Department would be saying "really?" to such a request. I hope that the publicity creates such an embarassment for the councilman - that the City digs a hole and tosses him in! Oh wait ... does the City need a permit to dig?
Hi Phillip! I can't decide if this guy just has too much time on his hands or if he has a hero complex. Either way, he is the reason we don't trust our elected officials. Sometimes it needs to be recognized that the legality or illegality of something isn't the criteria that should be used. Use laws when someone is hurting someone or something. These boys were practicing their first "job". Why not encourage such entrepreneurial conduct? Every time I see a lemonade stand, out comes some cash. The kids need to be encouraged to be productive. Shame on that councilman!
I can see it now...three weeks before the next bake sale they will go to the health dept. The inspector will come out to the front yard and require a three hole sink, running hot water with hand soap, drainage from the sink into a approved container, YIKES!
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15 Comments on Cookies, Brownies and Intrigue in Chappaqua
Philip....he should have done this much differently.....however, there was no adult supervision and who knows what was in that food or how it was made??? they're teens.....I guess a little "weed" in a brownie won't kill you!! might do some good to a few!!!
And this is why kids tend to take what adults say and do with a grain of salt and a healthy dose of disbelief. Common sense is not common, sadly.
This is typical of the arrogance of public officials these days. They have NO COMMON SENSE. We have too many regulations.
Calling the police on a couple of 13 year olds who are venturing into the world of business is just plain stupid.
I hope these boys don't get discouraged from the "lesson" the councilman and the police have taught them. Simply asinine.
Philip, for sure that councilman's competition have saved this press and he hasn't heard the last of it. And well he shouldn't. Idiot!
Good analogy and of course it will be a featured post. I guess I can see why he 'shut down' their bake sale but maybe he can have a better and much more gentler approach? That councilman should have a better PR person...
Phil, Do they beat the Girl Scouts when they sell cookies too?? People everyone complain about lazy kids and when a couple show initiative they get shut down? Something is wrong with this picture!
Hi Phil~ I saw this on Facebook and came to ActiveRain to comment. That town councilman is such a tough guy, and what a great representative of the leaders of the town! (You know I am saying that facetiously) He apparently has too much time on his hands to be worrying with unimportant matters! I can't even imagine someone thinking that calling the police for something this trivial was the right way to handle this situation. I would NOT want to be selling anything in that town, let alone houses!
Hmmmm . . . what's not "public" about a public park?!?
What a shame that the boy's good intentions are met with such stern reprimands. A very traumatic thing for young children to have to go through. The police shutting them down?!? GEEZ, it wasn't as if they were running a SPEAK EASY during prohibition.
I can only imagine the boys' heartbreak and anxiety that this caused them. They are all excited about coming up with a good idea, their parents helped them (I'm sure taking them to the public park). Parents involved with their childrens' project ... what a novel idea!! Having some family interaction, neighborhood interaction, planning their project, baking their goodies!! POSITIVE in every way.
And then . . . using the police department to be the enforcers of this totally victimless "crime" -- because the didn't have a permit.
We blame society for the bad children, the bully's, those that do negative things. Then when two young lads try to do something fun, and engaging -- BUSTED!!
The city should be thanking them for their wonderful project. Being good children who thought of a fun thing to do. I hope their spirits aren't broken by this. The city should issue them a FREE permit, and look at them as productive citizens -- not law breakers.
What a very sad "civic lesson" these children had to learn. I'm sorry for their disappointment.
Gimme a break.....GEEZ.
At first, I thought that maybe some "busybody" (Mrs. Kravitz-like individual) had requested that the councilman check it out, but it appears he called the cops on his own. Amazing. And LOL on Barbara's comment above...
this is awful. I'm going to make sure my parents know so they can help vote him out. My mom is on the League of Women voters (maybe treasurer or something). So, I'll make sure she gets the word out. This is awful.
Phil - I tried of something neutral to say regarding the police ... but I couldn't. I would think the Police Department would be saying "really?" to such a request. I hope that the publicity creates such an embarassment for the councilman - that the City digs a hole and tosses him in! Oh wait ... does the City need a permit to dig?
Hi Phillip!

I can't decide if this guy just has too much time on his hands or if he has a hero complex. Either way, he is the reason we don't trust our elected officials. Sometimes it needs to be recognized that the legality or illegality of something isn't the criteria that should be used. Use laws when someone is hurting someone or something. These boys were practicing their first "job". Why not encourage such entrepreneurial conduct? Every time I see a lemonade stand, out comes some cash. The kids need to be encouraged to be productive. Shame on that councilman!
I can see it now...three weeks before the next bake sale they will go to the health dept. The inspector will come out to the front yard and require a three hole sink, running hot water with hand soap, drainage from the sink into a approved container, YIKES!