That's Not Rain Drops Falling Down Your Chimney, Meriden, CT

A common problem with oil fired heating appliances, especially newer more efficient models, is condensation of combustion gases inside the chimney flue. This appears on the unit and flue pipes as a rust like substance running through the flue joints. This problem is very often misdiagnosed as rain water flowing down the flue. The solution is usually to put a cap on the chimney flue to "stop the rain". This fix worsens the problem.

What is in fact occurring is the combustion gases are cooling to quickly inside the flue and condensing. Oil is about 15 percent water and when burned the water in the oil turns to vapor. Normally the combustion gases carry the water vapor out the flue, but if the gases cool to quickly the water begins to condense inside the flue.

What can cause condensation to occur are any number of factors. A long chimney and or a large flue in combination with a newer efficient unit are most often the cause. A long chimney allows more time for the gases to cool. A large flue area can not be warmed enough by the gases expelled from the unit to create good draw to force the gases out the flue quickly.

Newer heating units are more efficient than their predecessors. This results in lower combustion gas temperatures expelled from the unit into the chimney flue. Older units stack temperatures (where the combustion gases leave the unit) were around 600º F, today they are about 450º F or lower.

Another reason this phenomenon can occur is an extremely dirty chimney flue. Many homeowners do not understand that their oil service technician does not clean their chimney. So the chimney is unknowingly neglected and over time these stains will often appear. Also the unit will be more difficult to tune becoming less efficient and consequently more costly to run.

 The unit pictured had a somewhat different problem. This is a replacement for the original furnace installed in this Meriden, CT townhouse condo. The chimney is entirely constructed of metal with an integral cap. This type of chimney is usually "tuned" to the furnace it vents. So when the new furnace was installed the venting conditions changed subsequently causing condensation and the stains. It was also discovered during the inspection there was a large gap around the burner tube penetration into the ceramic combustion chamber. This may also be a contributing factor to this units venting problems.

Good technicians and installers today are aware of this problem and are addressing the issue in a number of ways. The most common is a stainless steel liner inserted inside a masonry chimney flue. The round insert is correctly sized to the heating unit to provide optimum venting.

Another option is direct venting. The furnace is vented into a short pipe through the wall. This requires no chimney of any kind and is becoming much more commonplace.

I would also recommend Steven Smiths blog on chimney liners for some further information on the topics touched on here.

So the next time you see water and rust stains on an oil fired heating system flue, it's not rain drops falling down your chimney. It means it's time to call in a professional to tune up your system.

James Quarello

JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC

 
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8 Comments on That's Not Rain Drops Falling Down Your Chimney, Meriden, CT

Howdy James

Thank you very good info to know about. Heres a 5 for you

Have a good one

09/07/2007 09:27 PM by Dale Baker, Home Inspectior- in NH & VT (Baker Home Inspections and Consulting Service)


Thanks Dale, glad you found it informative. I see this often and everyone thinks it's rain coming down the chimney, even when there is a cap!

09/08/2007 06:45 AM by James Quarello - ASHI Certified CT Home Inspector (JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC)


Hi Jim.. I saw this in a home in Torrington. The furnace needed a 'cleaning' as the inspection report read. Needless to say, we did the cleaning as requested and the sale went through. However, the serviceman basically said what you said here. The chimney pipes coming from the furnace leading to the stack were of abnormal size, thus causing the condensation and drip back. Great blogs!

Mike of RE/MAX CT

09/11/2007 12:05 AM by West Hartford CT Real Estate Agent | West Hartford Realtor | Michael Chenkus (ERA Broder Group)


Mike,

This problem is often thought to be due to lack of cleaning and can be the cause in some instances. The size of the fluepipe and chimney flue itself have everything to do with condensation of flue gases. Thanks for your comments and glad you found the information useful.

09/11/2007 06:47 AM by James Quarello - ASHI Certified CT Home Inspector (JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC)


Great Post!

I've run into this alot, and have a pretty set way of telling the client about it.  I had it recently on a gas fired furnace and got to thinking about it.  Realized that the previous owner had traded out his oil furnace for gas and the rust stains were old and from the oil furnace, not the gas furnace. Removed the barametric damper and most of the other evidence, but the buried tank fill and vent were still there in some bushes.  I was lucky to think this one out because we got the seller to remove the tank at his cost.

 

 

 

 

09/18/2007 08:10 AM by Bill Duncan (Home Status Inspection Company, LLC)


Bill,

Finding that underground tank was a good catch. You know if the buyer found it later that could be trouble.

When I see an oil to gas conversion that vents into masonry chimney I call for a level 2 interior chimney inspection. Many times the flue is not cleaned before the gas fired appliance is hooked up to the chimney. The old soot from the oil mixing with the acidic wated from the gas combustion can corrode the lining. Or if there is no lining corrode the bricks and mortar.

09/18/2007 09:18 AM by James Quarello - ASHI Certified CT Home Inspector (JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC)


Good information James. This is a problem we see over and over and it can be hard to convince people that it is a problem at all. I will link my article to yours.

 

Steve

05/01/2008 08:14 AM by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection)


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