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68 Comments on Why Did I Call Your Broker? Because It's Not My Job to Train You.
Ongoing training, especially for newer agents is a MUST. Every agent should know basiv real estate practice in their state.
Gald to see this one featured. Brokers are the ones responsible for training agents, and when we run into clueless agents in our daily routine, we need to make their Brokers aware. Ultimately, it's their butts on the line if the agent really screws up.
I am with Jen (#34) too...it really depends on the issue I guess. If the entire thing is a mess; I might call the Broker. In my 10 years, I have ever only called the broker one time and I told the agent I was going to do it.
Your rules are very different in NY it sounds like so maybe that is part of it. Although helping another agent to be a better agent isn't "your job" ; I would opt to help another agent anyway.
I guess if I asked three times...I would have done what you did though.
Cindy in Indy
Wow.. attorneys have no involvment here in Houston. They only thing "those guys" do is review the title work, and that's done behind the scenes. Luckily we never meet or see them. I really prefer it that way, too.
If I have time I try and explain whatever it is to the agent - after all, somebody did that for me at one point. Of course, I'm not a broker, so there may be a different take on it from your point - I just would hate to have somebody call my broker about problems with me.
Thanks for sharing the story! A pre-approval is also a must in Tennessee.
Thank you J Phillip! I spend way to much time on the phone training agents. I am simply not going to do it anymore! I am going to start calling their brokers! I am taking your advice...
J. Philip, Having worked for an internet lender, I have closed many loans in all 50 states...and have to say New York is probably the most intricate finance transaction in the Nation. I can certainly understand why there is sometimes confusion in the process. It would seem to me that the opposing broker would WANT your phone call since it is his/her license on the line.
As much as we want to be helpful and kind to the newer agent, I agree with you...a listing agent is offering a commission and by gum they need to earn it by doing their job...Hello, Mr. Broker.....
I agree, but I use it when needed. If it something small and I don't want to disrupt the transaction then I don't. After all if the agent likes you or not can affect how they communicate with their client. It is all strategy for me.
Really ?????????????????? Your post and almost all the responses are the same. Does the managing broker have time to hear your rant?? Do they care??? I doubt it and I doubt the broker really wants to hear from you. Today, broker training is not cost effective so ........ not much is done. We all agree there are many agents from new to very experienced that should not be in the business. Bring them in, give them a license (sort of) and turn them loose. If they survive you and others, hey, then it was a good business decision, if not, its......What was that persons name??? Can't even recall what they looked like..
There then is the answer. Make it much more difficult to obtain a license. It is far too easy. New licensees should work under another broker-agent for 12 months, and make the NAR code of ethics have teeth.
Philip, I couldn't agree more. Too much mediocrity in our business!!!
But, to clarify a point: the "deals" as you describe them are only handled that way down-state. Everywhere else in NY, we use standard "fill-in-the-blank" contracts that contain contingencies for 1)attorney approval, 2) inspections, and 3) mortgage approval. Anytime I have someone leaving The City to move up-state, I always take a little extra time to explain the differences.
Best wishes from Clifton Park, NY!!!
Lewis
Not sure what Ken #60 is talking about. There are probably some agents that 'rant' but if the agent isn't doing what they need to, and there's deaf ears -- the broker in charge/managing broker gets a call. Not a rant. Don't you love it when you have a topic, and then it goes way off. Now it's a discussion about obtaining licenses?!? Anyway, I've have agents try to get their "how to" from the escrow officer!! GEEZ. Yup, it's frustrating.
J Phillip,
Excellent post. It is not your job to do the training, but all of us in the industry want to have credible folks who are trained to do their jobs at least to a minimum standard. It makes no sense and hurts us to have folks who cannot handle the basics of their jobs.
I appreciate that you take the time to call their brokers in the first place. It's definitely easier to ignore and hope these issues go away. They won't ever be all gone, but a heck of a reduction in issues is good.
All the best, Michelle
@ 60 Ken, in New York, with vicarious liability a big issue in our locale, he should care a great deal. His mood is irrelevant.
We do things much differently in California. We're a lot more laid back. If an agent messes up, we just take them out back and beat the crap out of them.
Did the agent called you to submit an offer? I like emails for many reasons. Less conversation, straight to the point. One way.
LOL @ Elizabeth (#66). There is an agent here who puts a comment in his listings ... "If you don't know the rules for a probate sale with court confirmation talk to your broker ... don't call me".
In this part of NY, we do have the same situation but the best way to work on it is to call the broker. I always try to work it out but if they can't get it I just call the broker. It takes a lot of work and ifthe other party is not willing to work then we should consider less commission.
Phil: Nice blog.... Am showing one of your listings tomorrow. Best, Gay