We have all heard the countless advertisements and discussions on home loans with absolutely no fees.  In fact, there is a discussion post as to why the lenders don't pay the fees themselves.  The later is a whole different topic.  I want to enter into the debate now of whether it's more cost effective for someone to do a no cost refinance over a with closing costs.

First of all, it's important to define exactly what a closing cost is.  Here is just a general list as well as a link to a credible source.  Please keep in mind that these are costs not incurred by every lender, and I will mention what my typical costs are as well at the end of this post.  So, with that said, here is the general list:

  • Application fee
  • Credit Report Fee
  • Origination fee (percentage points)
  • Discount fee (percentage points)
  • Title search
  • Title insurance
  • Attorney fee
  • Appraisal
  • Homeowner's insurance escrow
  • Tax escrow
  • Private Mortgage Insurance
  • Mortgage Insurance Premium (if FHA loan program)
  • Inspection (if required by lender)
  • Survey fee (if new construction and required by lender)
  • Recording fee
  • Transfer fee
  • Administration fee
  • Lender fee
  • Processing fee
  • Underwriting fee

The list goes on and on, and unfortunately there is no government regulation as to what fees a lender can/can't charge.  The only stipulation is that there is no discriminatory practices associated with the fees.

Now, according to reports from 2006, the average cost to close a $100,000 home loan was 3% ($3,000) which included all fees associated.  So, playing off this example, let's consider what it would cost to do a no-cost refinance.

On a typical loan of (hypothetically) $100,000 at an interest rate of 6.5% you will be paying a total of $127,500 in interest.  Now, add on the additional $3,000 it took to close the loan, and you are looking at spending $130,500 in total cost associated with the loan.

On the flip side, we'll take a no-cost interest rate of 7.125%.  On this loan, the entire $3,000 in fees are waived and paid by the lender.  Your total associated cost in interest is $142,500.

 So, by doing a no-cost refinance or purchase on your home worth $100,000, you just spent an extra $12,000.

Now, what are the alternatives?  You ask this because you don't want to pay closing costs, and certainly don't want to pay more because of a higher interest rate.  Here's the solution:

  1. Shop around to 3 different lenders and use an interview process to determine who to go with
  2. Negotiate with the lender/broker on fees associated with the loan once the rate is locked in (sorry all the LO's out there...I just wanted to help out the borrower here)
  3. Negotiate with your leverage (you have people that you know, I'm sure who are looking at financing options - use those referrals)
  4. Don't be afraid to walk away from the deal at closing if it's not what you agreed to (it's only too late if you sign on the dotted line)

There are a lot of upfront Home Loan Consultants out there!  You, the client, need to really concentrate and carefully select the lender that will handle your biggest investment!

Please contact me for any other information regarding home loans.  My cell phone is always on (315-264-1323), and you can email me at any time as well (Andrew_Scherer@Countrywide.com).  Thank you for stopping in, and I look forward to hearing from you soon!!

 

*As promised here are my typical closing costs associated with my loans.  Lender fee of approx $500, 1% origination, and the 3rd party fees associated with the file (attorney, title, appraisal, etc).  However, I am very negotiable on the fees and will work with you to get your deal closed and funded!

 

2 Comments on No Cost Loans - Are they really worth it??

I don't thnk you can throw a blanket statement around  No Cost Loans.  Every situation is different, and you have to analyze them as they come.  I've got a client that I'm doing a loan for right now - if they do a closing cost loan, they will save $126 more a month than they are currently paying (rolling closing costs and pre-paids into the loan).  If they do a no closing cost loan and pay for the pre-paids out of pocket, they will save just over $80 a month but the balance of their loan will stay the same.  It will take them almost 11 years before the closing cost loan will save them money over the no closing cost loan.  Depending on how long they are going to stay in the home determines which loan is better for them.  In this case, it's the no closing cost loan. 

I agree with you 100% that if someone is going to stay in their home for 30 years and never refinance their loan, then they should definitely pay the closing costs.  If it's a purchase and they are going to be in their home 5 years or more, then it almost always makes sense to pay the closing costs if they are able to.  If they are refinancing, then you need to crunch the numbers and discuss it with the borrowers to see what makes the most sense to them. 

09/07/2007 04:06 PM by Chad


Hi Chad,

Thanks for your comment, and you have a point, and I agree with you that every file and client is unique and needs to be carefully reviewed with the client on all aspects.

However, that being said it also is determined by how much you typically charge in closing costs as well.  Like you said, every situation is different, and every fee structure is different.  To me, 11 years seems like quite a large number in order for the closing cost loan to be efficient for the borrower.  That, alone, is a demonstration of fees associated with the loan.

All I am saying is that in a majority of cases that I see (mainly purchase market for people who want to stay in their homes longer than 5 years), a closing cost paid loan is typically the best way to go due to the following reasons: 1) My closing costs are low, 2) Monthly payments are significantly lower than a no-cost loan, and 3) the concentrated percentage of my clients are staying in their home an average of 7-9 years.

Another point that you brought up is that a No-Cost Loan can mean multiple things.  The No-Cost Loan that I offer waives every fee (including pre-paids, etc...).

Like I said, though, the programs that you suggest to your clients are unique to their situation.  In this time of the market, more than ever, we (as loan specialists) need to be consultants above and beyond any other role that we hold.  Again, thanks for the comment!

09/07/2007 04:42 PM by Andrew Scherer - Reverse Mortgages (NRMLA) (Eagle Nationwide Mortgage)


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