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WHAT IS A "DISCOUNT BROKER" AND WHAT IS DISCOUNTED FROM WHAT?

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Real Estate Agent with Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate 303829;0225082372

WHAT IS A "DISCOUNT BROKER" AND FROM WHAT IS IT DISCOUNTED?

This post inspired by a post by an ActiveRainer - Discount Real Estate Brokerages And Why They're A Bad Idea .  The title was changed to include FSBOs - For Sale By Owner & Discount Real Estate Brokerages... 

For SaleSeems to me that the pejorative "Discount Broker" when applied to brokers who charge less then most is no more and no less than a way to disparage brokers who, while operating a legal business, simply charge less for what they do than the traditional listing broker who offers "Full Service".

If the consumer wishes to perform some of the duties associated with listing their home for sale, why does that reflect negatively on the listing broker? 

BTW, lest anyone think I'm favoring one business model over another, my company has no horse in this race because we are not a listing company.  We are a Buyers' Brokerage.  Ah ha! "One of them", I heard snickered. 

DOES DISPARAGING YOUR COMPETITION GIVE YOU MORE CONSUMER APPEAL?  It appears, no, it is perfectly clear that many real estate entities practice competition through negative advertising.  Does that appeal to the average home buyer or seller?  I don't really know.  I know it works for political advertising, not a model that most REALTORS® would follow or one with which we would want to be identified.  In fact, disparaging another REALTOR® violates the COE.  Of course disparaging a business model is different, isn't it??? 

What is a Discount Broker?  I just reviewed 11 Help You Sell web sites and the word "discount" is not included.  So, on what fact situation can they be accused of being a "discount broker" in the pejorative?? 

What is Full Service Broker?  Many traditional brokerages and their agents advertise Full Service.  Yet, we regularly see reports by agents, brokers, buyers and sellers that they or their agent didn't do this or that and left the consumer to "help themselves" in matters of appraisals, home inspections, pricing, brochures, advertising, settlements, etc.  These agents/brokers fail to perform certain duties in the interes of "risk reduction".  Sadly, when an agent or broker avoids duties they increase the risk of damage to their client.  Where is the line "full service" and "less than full service".  Or, should their listing contract disclose that the broker charges a full service fee but will limit representation to XYZ??

NOTE:  Many agents and brokers today employ an agreement for "Fee for Service" which charges specific fees for specific services.  These companies clearly and admittedly offer less than "full service" yet they do not receive the negative advertising reserved for listing companies who charge flat fee listings or who simply charge less than most brokerages. 

FSBO

HA!  About the only thing disparaged more than the "Discount Broker" is the "FSBO", almost as though the home owner who wishes to sell their home without the help of a real estate broker is a threat to the very existance to all listing agents and brokers.

So, kindly explain to me what identifies a "discount brokerage" and how is it different from a "full service" except that it usually has a lower fee to the consumer and a listing agreement that states clearly the services to be performed for $XXX and the additional fees for XYZ. 

 

So, back to the beginning. "WHAT IS A "DISCOUNT BROKER" AND FROM WHAT IS IT DISCOUNTED?"

I believe I have the answer.  The fee is less than what the complaining agent or broker charges, therefore it must be discounted.  Mmmm.   Seems to me that, if the fee is what it has always been, albeit lower than average for all listing brokers, it isn't "discounted". 

It is simply what it is, lower than most. 

Courtesy, Lenn Harley, Broker, Homefinders.com, 800-711-7988.

 

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Comments(122)

Jacqueline Drake CRS
Jacqueline Drake Realty - Saint David, AZ
Southeast Arizona land, farms & horse properties

Interesting subject, I have seen agents charge high fees and provide very little service. In that case whatever is charged is too much. I think agents who list properties with a very low compensation offered to the selling broker are not really helping their clients. Many agents look at the compensation offered and they don't show those listings. It is wrong and does not serve their buyers well but it is done. If I take a listing at a little less than normal commission I still offer a reasonable commission to the selling brokerage.

Jacqueline Drake CRS

Dec 05, 2010 03:51 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Evelyn.  "Fee for Service" has not fared well in the market place.  Many agents like the idea because they don't have any risk that they'll have to do a bit of work and not get paid (if the house doesn't sell).  However, the track record is that the consumer still wants more than they paid for. 

That, PLUS, the consumer is absolutely conditioned to pay for real estate services after a successful sale. 

I do a bit of "fee for service" but it's primarily for investors and involves analysis and not sales since I don't list.  That said, when that investor is ready to list, I refer a skilled listing agent and get a referral fee when the house sells. 

Dec 05, 2010 09:18 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Brenda.  Thanks for coming back.  I agree.  Each client is different and each agent is different.  We are a brokerage, not a retail establishment where each "piece" has a cost and a price.  It's all negotiable.  That said, there's no reason to vilify a competitor who uses a different brokerage model. 

Dorte.  I agree completely.  I have not only been disparaged by members of this community, I have been libeled.  In fact, I was libeled by an ActiveRAin member who used conjured up arguments attributed to me.  When called, their response was similar to "OOPS". 

Ruthmarie.  Sometimes "full service" is between the agent and the client.  Matts fear of libel is real.  Once a system permits annonomous complaints, perfidy will prevail.  BTW, I offer rebates under certain conditions and it doesn't affect the quality or level of service I or brokers in my network provide.  There are also a sufficiency of so called "full service" brokers whose agents don't show up for much of anything. 

Jacqueline.  Unless a person is present when the agent and client agree to the fee charged and services offered, there is no way of knowing whether or not the agent has performed.  As for offering low co-ops, there are ways to counter that and it's up to each of us to manage our own fee arrangement and not rely on the kindness of strangers. 

Dec 05, 2010 09:43 PM
Tony and Suzanne Marriott, Associate Brokers
Serving the Greater Phoenix and Scottsdale Metropolitan Area - Scottsdale, AZ
Coldwell Banker Realty

"WHAT IS A "DISCOUNT BROKER" AND FROM WHAT IS IT DISCOUNTED?"

Wise words from Lenn Harley.  The motivation for someone using the term"discount broker" is clear - to "put down" the target and make them look shoddy by comparison.  

The message that's sent - unintentionally - is that the maker of the statement just can't compete on a level playing field....

Dec 05, 2010 11:34 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Tony.  That would assume that negative advertising doesn't work.  Sadly. . . . . .

Dec 05, 2010 11:39 PM
Pamela Seley
West Coast Realty Division - Murrieta, CA
Residential Real Estate Agent serving SW RivCo CA

Lenn, interesting discussion.  Your post brings up the point with who came up with the term "discount broker" in the first place.  Other agents who wish to list as full service?  Seems to me rather than bashing the competitor, it would be wiser to explain to the consumer who wishes to sell why they would need to list as full service, i.e., advantages vs disadvantages.  In the end, it's always the consumer's choice, and true real estate professionals respect those choices.

Dec 06, 2010 02:58 AM
Rowena Patton
All-Star Powerhouse - Asheville, NC
Asheville NC Real Estate

The real estate market is changing so rapidly that we will be operating completely different models in the next few years. It's scary, however important to keep an open mind I think. Discount Brokers and Full Service will merge and change into different models I think

Dec 06, 2010 02:58 AM
Jackie Hawley
Coldwell Banker Professionals - Oxford, MI
Southeast Michigan Real Estate

I just checked the Help U Sell site for Corona CA where the other poster is from and I didn't find the word discount, but they DO discuss standard or traditional commission and the tone of their site is just as disparaging as the other post.

Below are from their site.

"you still save thousands compared to the cost of a traditional commission"

"allowing consumers to save an average 3-4% compared to what they would have spent on the traditional 6% broker fee"

"We believe that the traditional 6 percent commission is an outdated practice"

I don't really want to get involved in a discussion about "discount" "flat fee" "limited or full service" - just saying he may be responding to how his competition is advertising to the same pool of sellers he's marketing to.

Dec 06, 2010 03:18 AM
Marcy Moyer
eXp Realty of California Silicon Valley Probate, Trust, and Investment Sales - Mountain View, CA
Probate, Trust, and Investment Specialist

I think we all have to decide what is best for our business and ourselves and stop bashing people who do it another way.

Dec 06, 2010 03:30 AM
Dennis Neal
RE/MAX, Big Bear - Big Bear Lake, CA
Your Home Sold in 21 Days or We Sell It For Free

Every client has to decide what is best for them and in my experience paying full comission is the best way to ensure that they get the best overall deal.

Dec 06, 2010 05:34 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Pamela.  I'm sure you're correct.  That said, I suspect that price motivates more consumers today than ever in the past with so many home owners in negative equity.

Rowena.  That happened years ago.  Many offices offer different fee models.

Jackie.  Could be.  We have had HUS offices here forever.  Some do well, some are marginal.  These days, almost all offices are marginal including some of the megas that have closed.

Marcy.  I agree completely.

Dec 06, 2010 05:35 AM
Mitchell J Hall
Manhattan, NY
Lic Associate RE Broker - Manhattan & Brooklyn

When I'm the second agent on a listing, I lower the price, increase the commission and I sell the home.

 

Dec 06, 2010 05:44 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Mitchell.  My Hero.  That seller is ready. 

Dec 06, 2010 05:46 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Erica.  I agree 100%.  A fully not discounted agreement.

Dec 06, 2010 11:44 AM
Renée Donohue~Home Photography
Savvy Home Pix - Allegan, MI
Western Michigan Real Estate Photographer

I have mentioned before that I won't hesitate "discounting" or deviating from the norm because I can.  Many times I can "undercut" my competition because I am not paying high fees.  I can do the same job, achieve the same results and my paycheck with "discounting" can be the same as someone working for a franchised brokerage.

Dec 06, 2010 02:23 PM
Cameron Novak
The Homefinding Center - 1000 Palms, CA
Real Estate Broker since 2008

Lenn - You say that using the term "discount brokers" is a way to disparage the brokerage that charge less than other brokers.

"Discount Brokerage" is simply a descriptive term.  Any view of the entity is in the eye of the beholder.

About.com speaks of "discount brokers", but they are simply reporting on how they work... http://homebuying.about.com/od/realestateagents/qt/DiscountBrokers.htm

Dec 06, 2010 08:06 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Renee.  THANK YOU!  Me too!  I have been giving a 1% rebate to new home buyers since 1999.  That irks the life out of some agents and brokers who don't.  Fact is, when I sell a new home in the $400k plus range, the payday is very nice, thank you.  Even with a referral fee off the top, I'm just fine with the pay and I give ABSOLUTE FULL SERVICE from search through settlement.  I don't have different levels of service for different fees, UNLESS I'm retained on a fee for service basis, which few consumers want. 

Dec 06, 2010 10:01 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Cameron.  Kindly remove the link out on your comment.  Some of the inferences in that article are disparaging to some agents or business models.  "About.com" is an opinion piece and not an authority.  The only "authority", IMO is license law and, in my market, many brokerage models are permitted and legal.

 

Dec 06, 2010 10:07 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Erica.  Thanks.  I'm not fond of deleting comments and I did ask that that link be removed and then waited several house before deleting it. 

Dec 07, 2010 09:48 PM
Inna Ivchenko
Barcode Properties - Encino, CA
Realtor® • GRI • HAFA • PSC Calabasas CA

Not long ago, I was asked to write the offer for a listing presented by Redfin.

I checked the price, it was overpriced, even with ok condition, it would not go for that price. Yet, we wrote the offer( even i felt eecky as if I'm a discounted agent, since I'd be paid only 2%). What do you think? They countered us with 20% above the asked price! We passed on it, move on. It was time, when inventory was low and some buyers were very aggressive on prices. No problem. Soon the agent sent me email: ''if your buyer wants it on your terms, we can make it happen'' Noone wants that property anymore! It is still active, he lost momentum...

Apr 12, 2013 04:57 PM