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And The Rains Came

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Home Inspector with JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC HOI 394

Every year when the weather turns cold they come; the attic rains. Sure as the heats on, water will be dripping in someone's attic. Nor is this a once in a blue moon event, but a regular cold weather phenomenon.

Dripping roofing nailsThe reasons for an attic rain forest can be several;

Over humidification inside the home, lack of adequate ventilation in the attic or excessive moisture from the basement or crawlspace. Any one of these conditions together or by it self can be enough to start a small cloud burst in the rafters.

Most often what I find seems to be the cause of these lofty sprinkles is over humidification.

It seems to be a trend now, air quality. The hypersensitivity to mold (not the allergic kind) and to a lesser degree air borne allergens has people looking for ways to improve their indoor air quality. Granted some folks have breathing issues, but the entire household?

Drip marks from the nailsI find it more than a bit ironic that people seeking to improve their homes air quality are actually making it worse.  As everyone knows(?) excessive moisture breeds mold and other allergens which can cause breathing issues.

The home in which the two attic photos came from had a humidifier on the forced air heating system. The manufacturer was insightful enough to place an outdoor temperature setting relative to the humidity levels. Unfortunately temperatures vary and generally most people don't change the settings accordingly. In fact most people tend to over humidify because they can not detect a difference in the air. The fact is we can not sense subtle or even moderate humidity changes, so sometimes the knob gets turned to 11.

Generally what building scientists suggest is if you must humidify do so as little as possible while maintaining comfort. Remember the colder the outside temperature the less humidity should be put into the air.

Humidifier controlAs mention earlier lack of adequate ventilation can also cause or contribute to the rainy attic syndrome. Some times I find that people close off their attic vents in the winter in the misguided belief that it saves energy. Or the vents have been blocked by insulation or storage. The attic should breathe, but if it's choking one result could be condensation.

Lastly a moist basement or crawl space is really the same as over humidifying a house. The only difference is you can't turn down the knob on the humidifier. This condition can be resolved by simply adding a dehumidifier or may be more involved requiring drainage repairs.

What is important to understand when the rains come to an attic is this;

The house is sending a message saying it needs fixing.  

 

 

 

James Quarello
2010 SNEC-ASHI President
NRSB #8SS0022
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC

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James Quarello
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Fred Griffin Florida Real Estate
Fred Griffin Real Estate - Tallahassee, FL
Licensed Florida Real Estate Broker

Interesting, James.   Being in Florida, we of course use De-Humidifiers (or run our Air Conditioner to serve the same purpose).

Adding Humidity, and causing subsequent problems in the Attic, is a phenomenon I have not encountered.

Thank you for the Education!

Dec 06, 2010 02:04 AM
1~Judi Barrett
Integrity Real Estate Services 116 SE AVE N, Idabel, OK 74745 - Idabel, OK
BS Ed, Integrity Real Estate Services -IDABEL OK

Very thorough explanation and great tips. 

I'm surprised that I haven't seen more of this in our area.

We don't use humidifiers but do have a relative high humidity sometimes we see less than adequate attic ventilation. . .

Dec 06, 2010 02:08 AM
Tammy Lankford,
Lane Realty Eatonton, GA Lake Sinclair, Milledgeville, 706-485-9668 - Eatonton, GA
Broker GA Lake Sinclair/Eatonton/Milledgeville

No whole house humidifier for me... That seems excessive.  I do however have one (a small one) that I use in winter.  I also keep a kettle of water on top of my wood burning stove.  If I don't I get small nose bleeds.  I had no idea the problems too much would cause.  I try to keep my inside humidity level around 28 to 30.

 

Dec 06, 2010 03:01 AM
Patricia Aulson
BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY HOME SERVICES Verani Realty NH Real Estate - Exeter, NH
Realtor - Portsmouth NH Homes-Hampton NH Homes

Hey thanks for the good post today with information about how mold just appears.  It's good to go through your home every season to see how things are looking.  Then you can take action immediately, to avoid a disaster down the road.

Patricia/Seacoast NH & ME

Dec 06, 2010 03:08 AM
Steven L. Smith
King of the House Home Inspection, Inc. - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham WA Home Inspector

James,

Around here there are huge problems with attic humidity. There is one area out by the lake that we inspectors realize going in that there is going to be some microbial activity in the attic. It's pretty much just a given.

Dec 06, 2010 03:17 AM
Tre Pryor
REMAX Champions - Louisville, KY
Realtor, e-PRO - Louisville Kentucky

Worthy post. It's tough because our lives are so busy that most of living from emergency to the next emergency and rarely (if ever) take the time to do the maintenance needed to avoid problems.

Dec 06, 2010 03:23 AM
Ryan Case
SCA Real Estate - Anaheim, CA
877-828-0710

We had mold in one of our listings this past week, and it cost $4400 to remediate! Preventative measures are crucial to avoid this!

Dec 06, 2010 03:47 AM
Jim Allhiser
Perfection Inspection, Inc. - Salem, OR
Salem, Oregon Home Inspector

Great point on the crawlspace moisture leading to the raining attics.  I do the attics before the crawlspaces and when I see rusted and dripping nails in the attic I always expect to see standing water underneath.

Dec 06, 2010 04:04 AM
Geoff ONeill
John L. Scott Medford - Medford, OR

Great.  Now I have to go into my attic and check everything :-(  Thanks for the thoughful post, and heads up (literally).

Dec 06, 2010 04:43 AM
Jeffrey DiMuria 321.223.6253 Waves Realty
Waves Realty - Melbourne, FL
Florida Space Coast Homes

this is really good info...I guess we need to tell our clients about this and make sure they are aware.

Dec 06, 2010 11:49 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Good info James.  Here in Minnesota, that moisture shows up as frost in the attic, and it accumulates for a long time until temperatures get warm enough for it to all melt.  Then it's really a mess.  

Dec 06, 2010 02:05 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

You and Reuben had similar, yet also not so similar, posts today!

The cycle of life includes moisture that moves, leaves, returns, dries up, you name it.

Most people don't consider it a problem to "over" humidify a house!  I often see a humidifier set at 70%, even in the summer!  Hmmm....

Dec 07, 2010 12:49 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Lyn, The problem is people can not detect fairly big changes in humidity, so they tend to add more and more.

Ed, Yes the black can be mold or another type of fungi which is a wood destroying organism. Too me that is the bigger issue.

Bob, Thanks, you too.

Charlie, Yep, the water cycle.

Cheryl, Those are often the two most common causes.

Fred, Being that you are in an entirely different climate, you I'm certain have issues unique to your area.

Dec 07, 2010 01:35 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Judi, One thing to remember every area is different and the same rules may not apply.

Tammy, That low should never be an issue.

Patricia, Good point. A good look around every now and again should be part of regular home maintenance.

Steve, Since your in a marine climate, moisture will also be an issue.

Tre, Not doing maintenance can create emergency :)

SCA, That's an awfully expensive repair.

Jim, I follow the same routine, attic first.

Geoff, Um, sorry?:( Hope it looks good.

Jeffery, Sure, it's always good to provide useful info.

Dec 07, 2010 02:06 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Reuben, Rarely see frost here. When I do it's due to someone over humidifying the home.

Jay, Mine was first :) The water cycle, all life depends on it, but not inside the house!

Dec 07, 2010 02:10 AM
Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

Hey Jim, I was just in a listing where the supposed 'cold room/storage/could be a wine celler thing' in the basement was 'weeping'.  Yikes!  I thought of this post when I saw it.  Thanks for making me smart.

Dec 07, 2010 08:35 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Lyn, Your welcome, but you are already smart, I just provided a little knowledge.

Dec 08, 2010 01:00 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

How much snow do you get in CT?  We got a bunch of snow here in MN yesterday, and after shoveling my walks for the third time in one day, I started thinking about snow covered roof vents...

Dec 11, 2010 11:26 PM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Reuben, We rarely have big storms with lots of snow. We get a mixed bag most of the time, rain, sleet, freezing rain and snow. I imagine we are getting your big snow storm right now, but it's heavy rain. Like said before our climate zones are different. CT does not get 0 degree temperatures. Once in a while it will get that cold at night, but just a few times during a winter.

I looked up the average temps for CT for Dec, Jan. & Feb,  41.8, 25.7, 28.8  And snow fall   10.1, 12.9,  12.2   

 MINNEAPOLIS-ST.PAUL, MN   Temp; 18.7  13.1   20.1  Snow;  10.7,   8.1,  9.4

Funny thing is you according to the data MN gets less snow, but is much colder.

Dec 12, 2010 12:42 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Interesting.  I wouldn't have guessed the difference in snow fall.

Dec 12, 2010 01:27 AM