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Please Tell Me Why My Room Is So Cold

By
Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

I hear that all the time.  The flip side complaint is that the given room is too warm in the summer. 

This person said that the room feels fine when the heat runs, and then cools quickly.  Sounds difficult to diagnose?

It's not.  Remember, heat seeks cold.  It will move toward it.  People think that heat rises.  Well, it does, if it is seeking cold.  But heat can also go down to seek cold.

Also, interestingly, heat and cold don't mix.  I could demonstrate that with a thermal camera, but perhaps that is a post for another day.  Heat and cold separate until slowly, temperatures equalize to an ambient, common temperature.  Last year Jim Quarello posted a thermal image of a room showing the defined layers of temperatures as the heat was running and before the layers started to melt together to a common temp.  I called it layer cake!  Maybe he could post that again - it is extremely instructive.

But I digress!  Back to the bedroom in question.  It is the master bedroom, located in the front corner of the house, with two exterior walls and OVER the garage.  Rooms over garages are famously difficult to keep comfortable in extreme weather conditions. 

Investigating thermal image technology, this homeowner found me online.  A thermal image camera makes a quick, definitive, accurate diagnosis of where insulation is ineffective.  I suspected the windows were not great either - tract home, 15 years old, with big, two-panel, sliding windows.

This is a typical view of all the windows.  We waited for a nice cold morning, and outdoors it was about 20F when we began this inspection.

Notice that the panes are not bad, but not great.  The center of the pane is 58F.  But around the windows where the sliding sashes meet the frame the temps are around 41F.

And this is AFTER the client put extra weather seal in the tracks to help control air flow toward the indoors.  We could still feel air flow.

So we know the windows are a problem.

But what of the bedroom?

Since we have evidence that the windows are not sealing well, something else is going on.

First I went to the garage.  The images are taken from the garage door.  They look at the garage ceiling.

The left image is looking left and the right image is looking right. 

Those defined orange lines are heat escaping through the floor of the bedroom around joists.  "Oh, THAT'S WHY THE FLOOR IS SO COLD!" said the client.  You can see whole areas without insulation.

Why do I say without?  I think so because the coldest areas of the drywall are around 31F and those lines 62F.  They are not that much cooler than the ambient temperature of the bedroom!  The bedroom heat is seeking cold!

Next I went to the bedroom.

The left image is the left wall of the room, where the windows are.  The center image is the corner and the right image is the right wall of the room.

The coldest spot is the corner, around 30F!

And notice the walls, how the purple and lavender colors seem to be "dripping" upwards.  What's going on?  Heat is certainly exiting down.

I think the rim joist, which is a board or joist on the outside of the house nailed to the edges of the room's floor joists was never insulated.  There may be some insulation under the flooring, but it is either poorly placed or nonexistent on the outsides.

Insulation lesson:  TO BE EFFECTIVE, INSULATION NEEDS TO COMPLETELY SEAL A SPACE.  IT'S JOB IS TO TRAP AND HOLD AIR.  THAT TRAPPED AIR ACTS AS THE THERMAL BARRIER.  ALSO, IF IT IS UNDER A FLOOR, LIKE IN THIS BEDROOM, THE INSULATION MUST, ABSOLUTELY MUST, TOUCH THE UNDERSIDE OF THE FLOOR.  ANY GAP THERE WILL ACT AS IF THERE IS NO INSULATION AT ALL.  IDEALLY THERE IS A VAPOR RETARDER SOMEWHERE.  IF IT IS A PAPER-BACKED INSULATION, THAT PAPER VAPOR RETARDER SHOULD BE TOUCHING THE UNDERSIDE OF THE FLOOR.

At this point additional insulation is needed.  It might not be as hard as you think.  We had the same problem in the bedroom in our house over the garage.  To solve the problem my insulation company came and drilled holes between the joists at each edge of the garage ceiling and blew cellulose insulation into the space.  It completely fills any cavities, nooks and crannies and provides a great secondary seal.  It worked for us.  It would probably work for these folks.  The holes are then plugged with Styrofoam, which acts also as a fire seal.

My recommendation:  If you have cold, or hot, rooms, call an experienced thermographer to come have a look.  It is worth every penny to see what is going on.  And, if you recall, there aren't that many of us because one of the entrance requirements into the order is utter cuteness. 

Yes, we're all cute.

 

 

Posted by

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comments(60)

Chris Olsen
Olsen Ziegler Realty - Cleveland, OH
Broker Owner Cleveland Ohio Real Estate

I've been reading more and more about this. Fascinating topic.

Dec 18, 2010 04:00 PM
Chris Olsen
Olsen Ziegler Realty - Cleveland, OH
Broker Owner Cleveland Ohio Real Estate

Hi Jay -- On an additional note, another concern is if a homeowner were to make a home too tight and not enough air exchange, you can end up with an unhealthy structure, inhabitants getting sick, etc.

Dec 18, 2010 04:06 PM
Eric Middleton
Closer Look Property Inspections Inc. - Uniondale, NY
Professional Property Inspector

Jay- I'm really having a ball with infrared thermography and the way you explained what is going on in the pictures is very helpful.  Their heating bill must be through the roof!

Dec 18, 2010 05:15 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Vickie - those are the rules, not reasoning, and I don't write the rules...

Elyse - I am glad you could learn something!

Chris - there's a lot of info out there.  It is very important that fresh air be brought into the house.

Eric - play, practice and learn!  I think their bill was through the roof!

Dec 18, 2010 10:07 PM
Silvia Dukes PA, Broker Associate, CRS, CIPS, SRES
Tropic Shores Realty - Ich spreche Deutsch! - Spring Hill, FL
Florida Waterfront and Country Club Living

Hi Jay, thanks for the information.  We have a similar problem in our house with a room that has a flat roof over it.  I'm going to suggest drilling holes in the ceiling and spraying insulation, I believe that would improve the situation. 

Dec 19, 2010 12:19 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

You should have someone look at it with a thermal camera Silvia.  It might be another problem, not just insulation!

Dec 19, 2010 12:21 AM
Missy Caulk
Missy Caulk TEAM - Ann Arbor, MI
Savvy Realtor - Ann Arbor Real Estate

Jay, I just got my utility bill for our lake house yesterday. It was high, we winterize the pipes when we leave each fall. And leave the heat of 57, the kitchen and bath cabinets open.

I am sending my son out to look this week and maybe a window is open or something because it is ridiculous with no one there.

Do I have the heat too high?

 

Dec 19, 2010 12:24 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Something is causing it to run more than you are used to Missy.  No, the temp is not too high. 

Great new photo!

Dec 19, 2010 12:29 AM
Missy Caulk
Missy Caulk TEAM - Ann Arbor, MI
Savvy Realtor - Ann Arbor Real Estate

Thanks Jay!

Dec 19, 2010 12:54 AM
Cheryl Ritchie
RE/MAX Leading Edge www.GoldenResults.com - Huntingtown, MD
Southern Maryland 301-980-7566

This is fascinating for two reasons. The obvious one is to cure the hot and cold room. The next one is because I settled a case recently where the folklore had it that the Seller many moons back stashed cash in his historic home. I just want to know if this gadget would unearth the stash. Chuckle.

Dec 19, 2010 03:11 AM
Dave Roberts
Healdsburg Sotheby's International Realty - Healdsburg, CA

Informative post. Thermal imaging is a great tool, especially in areas with dramatic temperature differences between inside and out. It's a lot harder to get great images like these when it's 50 outside and 68 inside. 

Dec 19, 2010 04:04 AM
Robert Amato
Bob Amato of Empire Home Mortgage Inc - East Meadow, NY

Great post Jay. I have one question, which colors are the warmest in the pictures however?

Dec 19, 2010 06:37 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

De nada Missy.

Cheryl - only if it glowed with heat and looked like a stack of bills!

Yes Dave.  Usually in that case you have to fudge by turning up the heat or down the AC to try to create a temperature difference.

Bob - it kind of says it in the post, but hidden pretty well!  The yellow, orange and white would be the warmest spots.

Dec 19, 2010 08:32 AM
David Popoff
DMK Real Estate - Darien, CT
Realtor®,SRS, Green ~ Fairfield County, Ct

wow, what a great camera to have, every builder should have one of these. Thanks for the information

Dec 19, 2010 08:41 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Every builder should hire somebody like me David.  They hire these "green" energy analysts who do not use a camera.

Dec 19, 2010 11:03 AM
Eric Michael
Remerica Integrity, Realtors®, Northville, MI - Livonia, MI
Metro Detroit Real Estate Professional 734.564.1519
Jay, great info as always. I have some work to do around my house. Cuteness, (un)fortunately, is subjective. lol Have a great day.
Dec 19, 2010 11:21 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Yes it is, Eric.  That's why the governing board is so strict with who they let and don't let into the order...

Oh, and thanks!

Dec 19, 2010 11:36 AM
Stephanie Williams, Realtor Murrells Inlet
Seaside Properties - Murrells Inlet, SC

Great informative post!  I have two bedrooms on the back of the house that are a lot colder than the rest of the house.  I would hate to see all the purple on them!  

Dec 21, 2010 01:53 AM
Dub Walters
Real America - Newnan, GA

Thank you for your informative post. It never hurts to have extra insulation when you can.

Dec 21, 2010 04:15 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Well, Stephanie, it may be there!  Only one way to find out...

Dub - insulation is cumulative and it almost never hurts to add it.

Dec 21, 2010 11:20 AM