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What's The Difference Between A Short Sale And A Bank-Owned?

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Real Estate Agent with Karen Parsons-Fiddler, Broker 949-510-2395 BRE# 01494165

Banks
Lenders
Short Sale Lenders
Bank Negotiators
Asset Managers

These are all terms seen in listings. Realtors® use them daily, but the consumer does not. Even buyers who have been out searching for a while can become confused about who they are actually negotiating with, and how that might affect the transaction.

I have a client that I've been working with for a few weeks. Last night I got an email with a few questions that made it clear he did not understand the difference between a Short Sale and a Bank-Owned (REO) when it came to negotiation.

Question One (about a Short Sale): "Do you know how many offers the bank has and when they are going to pick one?"

Question Two (about a Bank-Owned): "How long does it normally take before a bank decides how much they want for the home?"

First, I'd like to say that this is a cash buyer. This is also a man who is not trying to low-ball anything. He certainly would like to pay as little as possible (who wouldn't) but he is not a buyer who will go in 10-20% under asking and "see what happens." This is an investor I've worked with for several years and have even seen him go over asking price to make sure he gets a property that he wants. But even with all that experience, the current Short Sale/REO market still causes confusion at times.

Some Common Aspects:

Both a Short Sale and a REO property have Bank Negotiators or Asset Managers. These are bank employees who have the property file and it's their job to get the best possible deal for the lender. In a Short Sale there will be one Asset Manager for the first trust deed and one for the second (if there are two loans on the home). In both cases these negotiators will order comps and price opinions (similar to an appraisal called a BPO) to determine the value of the property they are handling. Bank Negotiators/Asset Managers are mainly looking at dollars and cents, they are responsible for loss mitigation on behalf of the lender and try and justify a offer price/sale.

At this point the differences between a Short Sale and REO come into play.

Short Sale:

In a Short Sale situation, the current owner is still the seller. We will still work with the sellers. Once we have determined what we want to offer.....price and terms....we submit that offer to the sellers in much the same way as we would an Equity-Seller. Then the seller/listing agent packages that offer together with documentation supporting the financial hardship of the seller and sends that to the Short Sale Lender(s) to approve.

The Short Sale Lender(s) are being asked to accept less than the amount owed on the mortgage in exchange for releasing the lien. Our offer includes the price and terms the seller is asking them to accept.

If the Short Sale Negotiator determines that our offer meets their guidelines, we will normally get an approval. If not, then they will come back to the seller and tell them what they are willing to accept. This process involves the research of comps and price opinions (as outlined above) and because of the amount of work involved, this approval process can take a long time....months at times. Because the Short Sale Lender can come back with different terms/price, this is often misunderstood as the lender "countering" the buyer. They are not.....they are simply defining what they are willing to accept to satisfy the lien.

Bank-owned:

When the property has been foreclosed upon it is now owned by the bank (REO=Real Estate Owned) and most of the work has already been done. Before listing the property, the Bank Asset Manager will have ordered the price opinion and seen comps. They normally price the home rather aggressively to generate quick offers. Often the offers will be over asking price if the home is particularly nice. Negotiations will be very similar to an equity seller.

Asset Managers will look at offers to see which have the best chance of closing quickly and easily. For this reason all-cash offers normally take precedence over financing....even if they are slightly less in price. Although some lenders do take a long time to respond, normally you can expect an answer within a day or so....again, similar to an equity seller. Banks are also looking for the shortest time frame for closing. So a 30 day escrow will be more desirable than a 60 day escrow.

Additional Points:

There are other aspects to the transaction where there are differences too. For instance, if we are working with a Short Sale, we are not going to incur any buyer costs until we know that our price and terms have been approved. There is no reason to pay for a home inspection nor order HOA documents if the lender is going to come back and ask for an unreasonable purchase price. For this reason, we often don't find out about problems until AFTER we get Short Sale Approval. At this point it's often difficult to go back to the lender(s) and ask for credits due to repairs or other problems.

With a REO property, the listing will always state "As-Is" but I often find a Bank Asset Manager is able to make repairs when a home inspection finds a significant problem. I've had mold remediated, electrical boxes rewired and roofs repaired. Certainly they are not going to be fixing loose hinges nor replacing screens, but if the case can be made that any future buyer will have the same issue....they can justify making certain concessions. Again, this is similar to an equity seller.

REO properties behave more like Equity Sellers. They are likely not to take longer than a standard sale. Short Sales (unless they have already been approved in terms and price) will require an approval process which can take a long time to complete.

 

Comments(33)

Drew Perkins
Pivot Realty Group, LLC - Fort Wright, KY

Excellent blog.  Very well said.

Dec 22, 2010 07:45 AM
Tammy Emineth
Personal SEO - Website SEO and Real Estate Marketing - Frenchtown, MT
Content Marketer, SEO Teacher, Website Fixer

This needed to be laid out in plain english for those that are in the dark. Thanks for making this clear

Dec 22, 2010 07:53 AM
Lanre-"THE REAL ESTATE FARMER" Folayan
Samson Properties - Bowie, MD
I don't make promises.I deliver results.SOLD HOMES

Karen I can see that you have already started your turned your questions into blogs from Bob's latest challenge. Well written by the way. Happy Holidays to you and your family. Great post.

Dec 22, 2010 08:08 AM
Kevin Kauffman
Group 4610 Network - Tempe, AZ
Kevin Kauffman

I would challenge not all agents understan the difference.. Furthermore we all tend to use words like bank or lender when sometime we are talking about the servicer and sometime were talking about the investor.. but thats a blog post for another day... =)

Dec 22, 2010 08:34 AM
Evelyn Rice
RE/MAX Complete Realty - Sparks, NV
SFR - Northern Nevada

Great blog! We so often do forget that our clients have no clue what we're talking about.....for all we know we could sound like Charlie Brown's teacher to them. I bet sometimes they're too embarrassed to ask for clarification. Thanks again!

Dec 22, 2010 08:42 AM
Karen Anne Stone
New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX
Fort Worth Real Estate

Karen:  I believe a Short Sale occurs when they seller does not net enough money from the sale to pay off the mortgage balance... so they are kinda/sorta caught with their "shorts" down.

A Bank-Owned or REO means that when the lender screws up processing an offer that is made... they've lost more of their own money, instead of losing the former owner's money.  It's one of those "what goes around, comes around" kind of thingies.

How'd I do ?

Dec 22, 2010 09:15 AM
Kristi DeFazio
RE/MAX Advantage - Colorado Springs, CO
Colorado Springs Rea lEstate 719-459-5468

Great explanation. I have also had banks fix things when they said up front they wouldn't. My latest was leaky pipes- we couldn't turn on the water to do inspection or appraisal without them fixing it, so they did. Great post!

Dec 22, 2010 09:34 AM
Gabrielle Kamahele Rhind
KGC Properties LLC, Tucson Property Management & Real Estate - Tucson, AZ
Broker/Owner

HI KAREN! Even though these properties have been in the news and talked about so much - people still have questions about the difference between these types of properties.  Thanks for the nice post to help them out!-- Gab

Dec 22, 2010 11:03 AM
Patricia Aulson
BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY HOME SERVICES Verani Realty NH Real Estate - Exeter, NH
Realtor - Portsmouth NH Homes-Hampton NH Homes

Hi Karen, thanks for getting this out to us today.  I do think it confuses people so I've bookmarked this for the future.

I plan to re-blog as well.

 

Happy Holidays to you and yours!

Patricia/Seacoast NH & ME

Dec 22, 2010 11:16 AM
Chris deLambert
Sanford, NC

Great job.  I don't think anyone's ever going to do a better job af breaking it down.

Dec 22, 2010 12:55 PM
Leslie Ebersole
Swanepoel T3 Group - Saint Charles, IL
I help brokers build businesses they love.

The difference is somewhere in between the 4th and 7th circles of hell. You just don't know until you really experience it all.

But forewarned is forearmed, so great explanations are useful. Thanks.

Dec 22, 2010 01:26 PM
Michelle Francis
Tim Francis Realty LLC - Atlanta, GA
Realtor, Buckhead Atlanta Homes for Sale & Lease

Karen, 

This is a brilliant example of the great questions we do answer frequently!  Well posted.

All the best, Michelle

Dec 22, 2010 01:32 PM
Karen Fiddler, Broker/Owner
Karen Parsons-Fiddler, Broker 949-510-2395 - Mission Viejo, CA
Orange County & Lake Arrowhead, CA (949)510-2395

Karen Anne....I think you got it perfectly.

Thanks for stopping by...I'm happily reading this comments at the movies. Love technology! Merry Christmas to all.

Dec 22, 2010 02:07 PM
Eve Rusakova
Studio 74, Home Staging and Redesign - Toronto, ON
Home Stager, Toronto, ON

Thanks for the explanation Karen! Well explained and easy to digest.

Merry Christmas

Dec 22, 2010 03:15 PM
Ken Speer
Alpha Global Associates - Phoenix, AZ

Karen ~ It's easy for us to forget that the general public doesn't understand terms we use on a daily basis.  That's why I see my first responsibility to my clients is 'education'.  That includes not only about the process, but also the terms, abbreviations, etc.  Thanks for jogging my definitions and explanations.  Best wishes for 2011!

Dec 22, 2010 04:23 PM
TODD PICCONI INLANDEMPIRE & SOUTH ORANGE COUNTY, CA
TODD PICCONI REAL ESTATE - Dana Point, CA
Personal Engagement,Precision, and Professionalism

Karen ~ Great Tips and sharing on distinctions of short sales and bank-owned.  Happy Christmas!

Dec 22, 2010 04:53 PM
Karen Anne Stone
New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX
Fort Worth Real Estate

Karen in #27:  You are really reading these comments at the movies ?  Must be a pretty bad movie.  What movie are you seeing.  And... have you seen The Black Swan with Natalie Portman ?  Wow... what a movie.

Dec 22, 2010 06:07 PM
Karen Fiddler, Broker/Owner
Karen Parsons-Fiddler, Broker 949-510-2395 - Mission Viejo, CA
Orange County & Lake Arrowhead, CA (949)510-2395

I was....took the kids to see "Little Fockers"! and no,haven't seen the Black Swan yet...I have a list for next week. Going to be busy now until after Christmas.

 

Dec 23, 2010 03:13 AM
Sally English
The English Team - Atlanta, GA
Sally English Atlanta Real Estate Agent

Karen,

Given the review of Little Fockers I read in the paper this morning (Atlanta Journal) I am guessing the comments here have been far more interesting!!!!   I definitely plan to skip that movie.

To the matter at hand: Thanks for writing such a great post.  I am re-blogging it for my readers.  This is an excellent re cap for the non real estate types who don't know the "scoop" on the current market. I am so guilty of using the trade lingo without considering how much of it some buyers understand.

Thanks!

Sally English

Dec 23, 2010 11:27 PM
Karen Fiddler, Broker/Owner
Karen Parsons-Fiddler, Broker 949-510-2395 - Mission Viejo, CA
Orange County & Lake Arrowhead, CA (949)510-2395

Oh it was fun....we aren't talking about anything more than a fun holiday movie, but we liked it.

Dec 24, 2010 02:56 AM