Below is an email sent to me by someone (most likely a United First Financial Agent who sells the Money Merge Account, or MMA) as a response to my posts from my blog on ActiveRain.  It proves that they have little understanding of "mortgage planning" and how beneficial these strategies can be. 

Please keep in mind that there is no "magic bullet" strategy nor is there a "one size fits all" one.  Additionally, this individual, much like other opponents, believes that equity harvesting and other mortgage planning strategies are proposed to keep homeowners in debt and make lots of money, showing a complete misunderstanding of what certified mortgage planners truly do.

Message details:
From: Mark Smith
Email:
marksm27@yahoo.com

"I just read your rather misleading example of how equity harvesting outperforms the Money Merge Account. Your example leaves many factors out in regards to the MMA. Your plan also leaves your customers perpetually in debt to their mortgage company for the rest of their lives. The "power of compound interest" sucks people's bank accounts dry. It does nothing to help the consumer. It does everything to help the mortgage company. Thats why people like you can make the kind of money you do to pose in pretty pictures next to your jet. People like you are what is wrong with the banking industry today. You sir, are an idiot."

OK, so let's digest this guy's comments and see who is the "village idiot" in reality.

To read the rest click the line above or go to my other blog at www.floridamortgagedaily.com.

 

12 Comments on I am an Idiot, at Least That is What My Competition Wants You to Think.

SEP
14
2007
1 Featured Post
a lot of truth in this blog, there is no "one-size-fits-all" answer, but doing something vs. nothing IS better for anyone
11:12am • #1

Poor fool...according to some...especially those enlisted in the "pyramind" structure of UFF...there is no option better than the "Magic" of a MMA...

Aren't financial fads great?

Time tested methods are still the best bet.....I think.

11:14am • #2
109,181 Points 11 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Robert, you are only an idiot if you try to engage these idiots in an argument. Remember, whoever agrues with an idiot loses.

The best strategy for dealing with them is to ignore them.

Bill Roberts

11:36am • #3

Why am I not surprised at this knuckleheads email? He clearly has zero understanding of how mortgage planning works, and has been "taken in" by the MLM allure of false promises of big money. I belong to the camp of keeping a mortgage versus paying it off, but like you and others have stated, some people want to pay off their mortgage and for them the strategy makes sense. However, I don't believe that a client needs to have some $3000 software program to accomplish that goal. These programs/companies aggravate me no end because I believe they are misleading. Like option arm loans, the MMA program in the wrong hands is a dangerous product at best, disasterous at worst. True mortgage professionals explain ALL options and strategies to their clients, with no hidden agenda or $3000 program to do so.

Good response in your daily newsletter!

11:40am • #4
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Drew...I agree that doing something is generally better than doing nothing at all.  However, jumping into that something without looking at all approaches can prove to be very costly, especially over time.

Robert...Any "fad" is typically short lived.  The problem with these programs is not in the program itself, but the crap used to market it and the level of expertise of those doing the majority of marketing.  I think mortgage acceleration programs will be around and are proven to pay off the mortgage quickly (not necessarily the fastest way).  The "expensive" software is not needed to do the strategy though.

Bill...Absolutely correct.  That is one of the reasons I stopped allowing "outsiders" to post comments anymore.  I am actually working on a post that discusses exactly how these programs work and why the software is typically a waste of money, especially when you consider how far it will go towards paying off your mortgage in the first place.  The post will be a condensed version of a chapter on the subject in general from the book I am currently working on.

Micki...I wish I could post here daily, but I do not have that luxury right now.  I do not even have the time to post comments anymore, as many AR members that typically see my comments can attest to.

The rest of your comment tells the truth...seek a true mortgage professional who understands all options and startegies and you will end up with the right one for you. 

12:00pm • #5
1 Featured Post
Robert, Thanks for sharing this email with us.  At times I feel like I am the only one who gets these.
12:19pm • #6
126,567 Points 12 Featured Posts Outside Blog

I have this notion that the people who have a niche product like the MMA, Reverse Mortgage, etc are all much more venomous when they attack than people who can understand the product and pick and choose when to apply them...

I think there are too many niche products out there trying to be a "one size fits all"... like the Option ARM was 2 yrs ago...

 

3:54pm • #7
15 Featured Posts

Robert,

I was really afraid of United First (UFF) turning into what they are becoming.  Which are over aggressive network marketers.  I met with officers of their company over 14 months ago, and at the time was impressed with their system and goal to help homeowners.  Their agents have become obsessive in their efforts to sell this to every home owner in the country.  If you attempt to argue with one it's like your telling them that their religion is not true! 

Now Robert, I don't buy Doug Andrews or Rick Edlemens philosophy's entirely either.  I think consultants need to divorce themselves from the concept that what's good for one must be good for all!  I think the MMA guy's and the Mortgage Planners have both painted themselves into a corner.   I can actually find client's whom the MMA is a great tool, and I know others that should stay away as far as possible.

The one thing that Mortgage Planners have going for them is the fact that we are in general more qualified to teach financial planning concepts then UFFirst purveyors.  Yes there are a number of LO's selling the UFirst program, but they have little training in basic financial planning concepts or strategies.  This adage that NO MORTGAGE and ALL DEBT IS BAD, is simply not true for certain borrowers.  

But there are cases where I'd sell the MMA program and I do through one of their competitors.  But anyway, this argument is going to continue for some time. 

4:20pm • #8
SEP
17
2007
4 Featured Posts
Oh for cry eye.  Can't people just get along without having to resort to name calling?  Robert, I belive that anyone who reads your articles, more than just one, can clearly see that you have discussed a number of products and have repeatedly commented that no one product is for everyone.  This guy is the one being the village idiot...oops, now I resorted to the name calling?!?
9:32am • #9
Ill save some room and say ditto to Bills coment. Keep up the good work and ignore the "negative neds" of the world.
9:36am • #10
OCT
31
2007

It's good to see the arguments and fine points here.  And the underlying tone of what I see from the intelligent, respectable comments are this.

Any mortgage strategy is going to be good for many and not good for many others. The other "negative" stuff like name calling and saying one person is an idiot or wrong, I say just ignore it! :-)

The MMA mortgage cycling strategy is a good sound concept based upon math.  The way that it is being marketed however, could create more negative opinions and mislead many consumers down the wrong path.

I sell the MMA and I readily admit that, as a mortgage consultant.  But I'm probably shooting myself in the foot by honestly saying, that if it doesn't MAKE SENSE to my client, I can't in good faith sell it to them.

Sometimes my client is better off with the CMG Home Ownership Accelerator. Sometimes MacQuarie and sometimes the MMA.

And sometimes, they are better off employing other financial strategies and possibly refinance the mortgage and leave the debt in place, because they are savvy enough to use the concept of ARBITRAGE to invest the cash flow difference to attain higher yields, rather than paying off their mortgage.

Is the MMA program/product the be all, end all solution for everyone who owns a home?  Maybe, maybe not.  But that's why we have so many mortgage products in place today. 30 yr fix, 15 yr fix, 5/1 ARM, etc, etc.  What the MMA can do for MOST homeowners is not just pay off their mortgage faster. That's the surface benefit, yes.

What they can learn while on the MMA, is to add some financial accountability to themselves, albeit through a simple software interface that shows how soon they will pay off their mortgage, but at least the underlying thought that the co-founders originally envisioned, was to give homeowners the ability to have an easier way to manage finances, their income and spending and tie it to the one constant, the one largest single debt they will ever most likely have and that's their home mortgage. Again, is it for everyone? Yes and no.  Only investigating and running the math will really be a fair guideline to decide by.  

ROBERT:  Oh and by the way, I don't think you're an idiot Robert. Hardly the case.  You fly planes for goodness sake!  The degree of education, intelligence and just guts, shows you know a little bit more than what that guy is crediting you with. :-)

KARL:  I too am worried about the aggressiveness and the way it is being marketed through the MLM channels. But it is what it is; some people will "cloud" and distort the facts and truth just to make a sale, because there is financial gain from signing someone up.  I just hope people buy it based upon what it will do for their financial goals and situation and not necessarily because they can sell it too and make money off some other poor chap!  Deciding to sell the MMA via an alternative marketing and sales channel such as network marketing/MLM with comparisons to the insurance commission platform was their decision. Hopefully, the concept will gain enough market share to weed out the "wrong" people marketing and selling the MMA and that the program/product will stand on its' own to be beneficial to those that it works for. 

Best wishes all! :-) 

Ed Bisquera

(360) 597-8283 | ed@pdxloan.com 

3:47pm • #11
NOV
02
2007
15 Featured Posts

Ed,  I'm 100% in agreement with your last post...I even wrote a blog based on a strategy that a financial planner and I have put together....http://activerain.com/blogsview/248398/Why-you-want-to

As for the MLM side of the equation, I think there are going to be some other players (banks) that get involved, such as CMG, whom are going to take advantage of this product and take it away from UFF and others who market it currently as a MLM.

MLM's are great in introducing a new product or service, but usually end up a secondary player as it becomes more of a red ocean market.  Case it point has been Amway, Avon, Tupperware and other unique products that have eventually been buried by bigger players.  Same will happen to UFF. 

3:05pm • #12

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