I recently had a featured blog called,  Be Truthful With Your Lender from Day One - Desperate Acts and Lies Can Kill Deals.   In the post I wrote about some very dishonest borrowers I had recently dealt with.

Konnie McKee, an agent from Prince William County, Virginia made this comment:

"I had a client, school teacher, who bought a $780K home, and I tried to talk her out of it...she went stated income...and 6 months later she is in foreclosure...the loan officer knew she could not afford it...but he pressed on...at what point would you have declined to do a loan for someone who, you knew, was headed for a train wreck...?"

This is a very interesting question for a loan officer.  Especially today.   It really got me thinking.  

Now, I can get up on a pedestal and tell you that I have never done a stated loan for someone who I believed was lying about their income.   That would be a lie.

And I could take the holy high road and say I honestly believed that all of my borrowers through the years could afford their house payments.   But that would be a lie too.

I have done loans in the past for people where I thought they may be overstating their income and I have done loans in the past where I though someone may be stretched a bit too far. 

I can't tell you if I was right or not and I am hopeful I was wrong.  However, based on the statistics regarding foreclosures, I doubt that my record is unblemished.

Now, I can assure you that, regardless of my opinion in both situations, I took the information presented to me by the borrower, moved the loan forward so it could be processed professionally and then sent to the bank underwriter for the final decision.  

I wasn't asked for my opinion but was I responsible to give it?  Is it the loan officer's job to make the determination if someone is lying or not?  

Until the Mortgage Mess of 2007, I used to think not.  I used to think that we were simply there to help people get loans.   We would speak with the client, interview them for the loan application, put what they say into the application, gather some supporting documentation, and then we send it on its way for validation.   Then it was up to an underwriter to decide to approve or decline.  I felt it was 100% their responsibility.

I think most loan officers felt the same way.   However, we must take responsibility for our share of the mess that has been created today.  

We certainly aren't alone in our responsibilities.   I believe everyone from overly-aggressive agents, to greedy tycoons on Wall Street, to the banks themselves, must take all their fair share.   We loan officers must accept our share as well...and its not a very small share.

But how about today?  Have we learned our lesson?  Have we changed?  Have you changed? 

I got a call today from an agent who wanted to know if he could take his client out and show him $500,000 homes.  I told him the client only makes $40,000 a year.    He asked me "can he go stated?"

I got a sick feeling in my stomach and I wanted to jump through the phone and shake this guy.  I have learned the lesson.   He obviously has not.

I can unequivocally say that I will not be a party to that "train wreck" or any one like it.   Will you?

 

 

 

5 Comments on The Lessons of 2007: At What Point Would You Decline A Loan For Someone Headed For A Train Wreck??

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2007
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Very well said....

The road to recovery starts with personal accountability.

Extremely difficult when the first thing you hear, is 'the other guy down the street can (or will) do it depending on whether its coming from the customer or an agent. Regardless, we're the professionals that will be around when the unethical ones have moved on to their next 'pitstop' of their so called careers.

1:44am • #1
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Bill--- Are we the only two left?  :) 

Like you, I plan on being here awhile.  I am tired of seeing friends and companies go out of business and I certainly don't want mine falling next.  

We all need to be culpable and make sure the next wave of prosperity in this business doesn't crash like this last one.

I am sure that agent today will find a lender to do that loan.  A lender who needs the business far more than me.  Then he can make his 3%, and then let the bank take it back a year or so from now at a $70,000 loss.   And he won't lose a wink of sleep do long as he got his.

The good news is in states like Nevada, in October, it becomes a felony for a loan officer to do this.  That ought to scare some of these unethical guys away.   A guy I know in licensing predicted half of the LO's in Vegas will quit when the new law takes effect.  That tells you something, huh?

2:05am • #2
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YUP, I think we're the last two Tonto....

It is going to take a while, but you just watch when the FBI starts tracking the brokers, lenders, appraisers, mortgage employees, and anyone who was complicit in contributing to the decline of an institution that was federally insured. Revenge is best served cold.....as morbid as it may sound, the crooked ones will get what they paid for.

Aside from identity theft, its a key target for the white collar divisions of the FBI. May take them a year or 2, or longer, but they will get around to the research, and eventually the prosecution of the ones with the horrible track records.

2:17am • #3
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Aaron,

This is a superb post!  The question you pose is one that should know no boundaries as far as time period or era. It obviously has become more focused in 2007 given the mortgage/housing industries "state of affairs". I think you openly and candidly relate a question that every decent, respectable and honest mortgage loan officer/broker has contemplated at one time or another. Like the old saying..."hind sight is 20-20!  I think many, maybe most, of us can directly associate ourselves with your question. Likewise, I think that collectively and down deep we knew that there may be a big price to pay but maybe the consequences...national in scale...where just outside of a "limited attention span".  Most of us are or were focused on our day to day lives and serving the needs of our clients which is just a small fraction or piece of the pie.

The only thing that gives me any degree of comfort as to my role in all of this is that I always tried to relate to my clients.....don't be a slave to your house payment to the point where it will destroy your family or the fun in your life. Did I warn of resets and advise them what actions must be accomplished...absolutely! But at the end of the day...I worked for them and as long as I gave them prudent options and advice....it was still their decision in the end. 

If I had this to do all over, knowing what I know now and the consequences, would I conduct business differently?  That is even a more problematic question?  Maybe, but I am not sure. I can't help but believe that to some extent I would be cutting off my nose to spite my face.

Excellent post.....excellent for a continuing dialogue!

7:36am • #4
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Ron--- I appreciate your thoughtful and thought-provoking comment.  I find myself wondering the same thing.   I, too, explained everything yet I also still feel responsible.  Would I have done things differently? 

I would like to believe that I would have done things a bit differently but I probably still wouldn't have killed the loan.  I may have tried to stress more about the understanding of what happens when your ARM resets if the market depreciates.  

I always do talk about that to my borrowers but I don't think they heard the depreciation part stressed enough as it was out of the realm of possibility at the time in their mind. 

I agree 100%.  At the end of the day, we work for the borrower.  If he certifies that he is being truthful, and we offer him the best financial advice we can, ultimately, it's his decsion to move forward or not.  And the consequences of that action are his as well.  

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