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Here is another article that I clipped from my writing this week over at RISmedia.com, last week at the RISMedia Leadership Conference the topic of lead generation was on the top three list. As the market shifts around more and more with the financial side of the industry, I predict there will be a trend in "explosive lead generation" companies as they scramble for leads to resell back into the industry... and find that they discover that the very nature of the lead market is being forced through a major shift.  

 

By Barry Hurd - RISMEDIA, Sept. 17, 2007-There are several threads in the RISMedia forums about lead generation and purchasing leads. What 99% of the real estate industry really wants are leads. Good, interested, and qualified leads that can be nurtured through the transaction and converted into a paying client.

Yet when it comes to the online marketplace-there has been an industry trend where may successful agents and brokers look at the latest online technology and say:

“That stuff doesn’t work.”

The real statement however, is “It doesn’t work for them.”

When looking at technology solutions like search engines, mobile applications, blogging, podcasting, and online communities; the historical “top agents” typically have a more difficult time adopting the radical shift in the relationship and sales approach. Before all of this technology existed, top agents who proudly sat in the 10% of the highest earning professionals often didn’t use any of these tools. They had instead worked the way up to the top by traditional approaches: personal and professional networking groups, physical mailings to a farming area, professional branding, and occasionally relying on other companies for lead generation.

Over the past few years, the shift in online behavior gave more and more leverage to the lead generation style of business. Information became a dominating factor in capturing leads, and many of the top lead generator companies discovered that it was easy to establish alliances using economy of scale with smaller online portals. They also realized that they could dominate less coordinated methods of lead generation using methods such as conquesting or by leveraging a large budget to buy out available leads in the market.

This eventually led us to a significant problem where we are today. Lead generator companies that are looking for leads to resell back into the industry have screwed up the marketplace.

Here is one example: Take a look at one of the highest lead generation sources available today: Google. Type in “real estate” or your local area such as “Seattle Real Estate”

As of the moment I write this (Wednesday, Sept 12, 2007), roughly 70% of the pay-per-click advertisements for “Seattle Real Estate” are going to lead generation companies.

What does this mean?

According to Google the average cost of having an ad under “Seattle Real Estate” is $3.74 to $4.95 per interested lead. There are 107 to 134 users per day clicking on that ad, which therefore has a daily cost of $410 to $670 to capture every person looking for “local real estate” in a decently sized metropolitan area.

Now we use basic business math to come to the conclusion of how the market becomes “destabilized” in this scenario.

With 70% of the leads potential of Google’s pay-per-click system going to lead generation companies, realize they have to sell the $410 to $670 of daily leads back to the real estate professional at a higher rate.

Depending on the lead generation company- the rate may be anywhere from 2% to as high as 200% over the cost they paid for a lead. For a real world example, this is just like the ticket scalper who stands in front of a stadium and buys the hottest seats and resells them on the street for twice what they paid.

Using the Seattle example: realize the monthly ad potential of Google alone for the term “Seattle Real Estate” is $76,930 to $129,830. Unlike a street scalper selling tickets however, the online marketplace becomes even more problematic because the scalper in this case doesn’t really tell you exactly what type of lead you are buying. It could be hot… or it could be cold. It could have come from Google pay-per-click, a professional partner, a blind mailing list or anywhere.

So that brings us to the real question: Why isn’t every agent or broker a lead generator online?

I don’t actually know. There are tools and services that require minimal effort to become your own lead generator. This effectively cuts out the middleman who is charging you more for what you already had access to. Every time you look at a magazine, a newspaper, a website, or a search engine and see a lead generator company advertising you should be asking yourself, “Why am I not buying that ad directly from the publisher?” or “Why isn’t my information there?”

Part of the solution to this problem is examining advertising sources that are being used by lead generation companies to produce the leads they resell to you. This includes search engine campaigns, blogging, informational articles, content management systems, and strategic alliances. Keep an eye out for the next few articles regarding some of these solutions and how they interact with the lead generation portion of the real estate cycle. We will be discussing some of these items over in the RISMedia forums: take a moment to browse the forum topics regarding lead generation and join the conversation about how these systems interact with your business.

To learn more about telling leads apart, see 3net Search Engine Marketing Blog (http://socialmediasystems.com/blog).

 

 
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39 Comments on Social Media Marketing: Understanding the Online Lead Generation Market

Barry,

Excellent article, thank you.  I am looking forward to your follow up.   

09/16/2007 01:45 PM by Laurie Manny, Long Beach CA Real Estate (Main Street Realtors Long Beach California)


Barry,

Great article. Thank you for the effort. You know it on some level but don't have the expert level to describe it. Thanks for the effort.

Jeanean Gendron, Redding, CA

09/16/2007 02:05 PM by Jeanean Gendron ~ Redding & Shasta County Specialist (Real Estate Professionals--GMAC)


Barry,  Thanks for a nice overview of a tough topic.  Many changes ahead for all of our marketing efforts.

09/16/2007 02:06 PM by Bill Gillhespy Fort Myers Beach Realtor (Century 21 Tripower Realty)


Barry-

 

Great post. I think one of the quickest answers is that many brokers and companies are intimidated by the online world. I think over the upcoming months we will continue to see more and more companies and individual agents move more of their prospecting to online services. I feel that one of the growth areas are for companies who can explain in everyday terms how to navigate the technology sector. Too many tech companies talk in a language that many of us struggle to understand. We do not want to appear "dumb" so we avoid asking questions or worse avoid the technology.

Person to person relationships are still the foundation of this industry. However, meeting more people is one of the functions of the online world. This will help us to convert the monitor to monitor relationships to person to person relationships.

 

Best,

 

Scott 

09/16/2007 02:08 PM by Scott Cowan -Tacoma & Pierce County Area (Terry Wise & Associates)


I have tried many lead generating sources over the past 1/2 doz years and only one makes any sense to me; Homegain.  For those who are not familiar with it, all Realtors who sign up for their areas are given the leads.  There is no charge/lead.  The Realtor is then required to submit a proposal to the prospect. 

If/when the prospect gets in touch with you, it is based on 1) wanting to go to the next level of selling their property and 2) something in your proposal that made them choose you.

Homegain does accept referral fees, but it is for business that I might not be aware of and they are certainly deserving; you only pay if you close. 

I have been with them for years and find them to have a high degree of integrity.

09/16/2007 02:11 PM by Gail Gladstone (Coldwell Banker)


Barry, thanks for this information. I will send an email to you privately.

Best 

09/16/2007 03:07 PM by Gary Bolen (CRS) Lake Tahoe Real Estate Information (Dickson Realty - South Lake Tahoe)


Nice to see you back in the Rain, Barry! You mention that a high percentage of the pay-per-click ads are lead resellers. I would guess that they are nowhere near as prevalent in the organic results. So an important question in my mind is 'what percentage of searchers go to the pay-per-click results vs. organic?' I think agents who take the time and effort to write quality content will generate enough business (and higher quality leads) from organic results, so they'll never have to buy leads.

09/16/2007 03:22 PM by John Novak - Las Vegas and Henderson NV Real Estate (Keller Williams Realty The Marketplace)


Very interesting.

I've managed to work it and work it and work it until I generate a large amount of business through organic SERP.

But, it isn't easy.  But, it can be done.

09/16/2007 04:18 PM by Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Real Estate


Barry,

Thanks for the well written and well thought out information. I tend to agree with John Novak and believe that we can achieve great results by writing. My articles and blog posts come up high and plentiful so I do not purchase leads.

09/16/2007 04:40 PM by Connie Ragen Green ~Online Writing and Technology (Small Business UnMarketing)


Our business is not much different than anyone else who has discovered online lead generation... what we are discovering is that these online leads are less "golden" than they used to be. In other words- these potential consumers of product need to be nurtured and shown that we truly offer what they're looking for. In essence, they may be procured in a new way, but they still require traditional service to be earned. Great post Barry.

09/16/2007 05:12 PM by Chuck Willman, Arizona Realtor®, ABR, TRC (Gentry Realty)


This is great information to have. Thanks for posting this. What we are beginning to see is a more level playing field and REALTORS are learning how to generate the lean and don't have to buy for the 3rs party aggregators.

09/16/2007 05:49 PM by San Diego Real Estate Voice authored by William Johnson GRI CRS e-PRO (RE/MAX Associates)


Thanks for the information. Needed to bookmark and further digest.

09/16/2007 09:00 PM by Debbie Small, CRS, GRI (Long & Foster Realtors)


Great post.  I actually picked up on using the internet to generate leads for myself about 2 years ago.  It does take time to get where you want to be, but with the phone ringing everyday and applications on my website being filled out daily it has paid off.

I believe the local online market is still wide open to local professionals because, as you mentioned in your article, these lead generating companies spent all their time and effort into marketing campaigns such as adwords but have left the local search engine market wide open. 

With the right tools any individual can have a successful online presence that bring leads in on a daily basis.  To be competitive in the future you must Generate Leads Online.

09/16/2007 10:17 PM by Mortgage


Thanks for the commentary everyone. I've been so busy getting various projects up and running that writing anything other than one or two weekly articles for my company's own site (or RISMedia's site) had to take the back-burner. 

John- you question as to the Pay-Per-Click vs Organic numbers. Depending on which marketing report you turn to, 60% to 80% of the search marketplace does not click on PPC ads. That means if there are 100 daily clicks on a term for PPC in Google, that there are 300 to 500 clicks on the organic results. 

Unfortunately the lead generation companies are fairly "hot" on the organic idea too... I've had several contact us in the past six months asking to outline huge organic search campaigns to generate leads. However they fall short on that plan typically, as the main asset needed for organic results is fresh and relevant content and they do not want to hire an army of writers.  

I agree with Scott on technology babble by most companies in this space... it generally drives most potential clients insane. It would be like describing a house to a home buyer by the grade of lumber used in the ceiling joists or the resin breakdown in the cement foundation. 

09/17/2007 12:08 AM by Barry Hurd (123 Social Media)


Interesting perspective on a vexing issue.  Enjoyed your article--keep us informed.

09/17/2007 06:28 AM by Diane Bell, Hilton Head Real Estate, Bluffton (Charter 1 Real Estate, Hilton Head, Bluffton, SC)


Barry- Great Info, I am on information overload with all the input out there. If I only had 48 hours in a day i could get more of this done and quicker, not to mention the learning curve!!!  Looking forward to reading over in the forum you mentioned.

 

 

09/17/2007 11:08 PM by David Gaffney- Bothell & Snohomish County


Barry, thanks for this post. I do a pay-per-click campaign and it is keeping my buyer agents busy, I have only switched my marketing dollars to this instead of newspapers that haven't brought me a single lead since before 2004 when I  got smart and started tracking. I come up good in organice searchs too, but my pay-per-click is the best lead generating source.

09/18/2007 06:23 AM by Missy Caulk Ann Arbor Realtor Ann Arbor Real Estate (Keller Williams Ann Arbor)


AdWords or (PPC) Arbitrage has been around for a long time and honestly I don't see it going away. IMO Google has attempted to limit it but those conducting the Arbitrage are simply changing their tactics. One way is to do exactly what you describe and marketing themselves as lead generation services. Back in the day when AdWords and Overture first took off it was simply small search engines that bought PPC ads for a small fee and put listings on their landing page for a slightly higher fee than what they were paying and it has evolved from there. IMO this sort of behavior will continue to evolve. You are correct in stating that if the real service providers and stores actually took the time to understand how these programs work they could do it themselves for much cheaper and with greater control.

09/18/2007 01:17 PM by Mark Pilatowski (myClosingSPACE)


I love the resource forum that you mentioned.  Generating your leads is so easy if you just spend a little bit of time and effort.  The trick is to keep the lead capture page simple.  The problem with PPC is that it can be a costly way to learn how to generate leads.  Too many people spend too much for non-targeted key words when they start out.  I just found this cool software called hittail that you can load on your website for free.  I havent' used it yet, but the person who told me about it is really into SEO.  This software has the ability to drill down and show you the exact key word phrases that your visitors have used to get to that webpage.

 

09/22/2007 06:24 AM by Kate Bourland; Redding Mortgage, Debt Elimination (Windsor Capital, Dyer Beech & U First Financial)


Mark- I think there are too many people relying on Google to be "saint like". The very model of Google was originally to present "the best information and searches" and now they have really shifted over to making money via an advertising requirement. This is pretty typical when companies become public, there is a major shift towards profit and higher revenues... in many ways the geek in me wishes that they were still a private company that held to higher goals. 

Kate- buying keywords can be an effective way of lead generation, but like you said it requires a little due diligence on investigation and understanding the market. It is almost like playing with stocks and playing with even smaller margins. Just like all leads are not created equal, all keywords are not created equal. You have to sit down and look at each click, the keyword, the cost, and even track extra information like conversion time and how much work on your end those conversions took.

 

09/22/2007 11:30 AM by Barry Hurd (123 Social Media)


Fascinating.   About two months ago I was invited to AR.   After a couple of weeks I started to realize the potential of AR and other things like AR.   I realized that with enough work and thought, I would never have to buy another lead again.   I look forward to your next article.  Thank you.

09/27/2007 12:32 PM by SETH CALLEN (OKLAHOMA INSURANCE SOLUTIONS)


great points! I gave a mini presentation to a group of Realtors today on internet marketing. Web 2.0 came up and i started going on and on...and realized i lost them at realtor.com. (no joke) 

Being an unestablished (non farm) agent, I worried for the first year that I was doing things wrong. With the market shift and a stroke of persistence....i have the leads. I've been using the internet tools that I was good at and as the market shifted...so the times had changed. Interesting.

09/27/2007 11:46 PM by Nate Alexander - The Long Beach Home Pro (First Team Real Estate)


Barry, excellent article but I think the online lead generation sites have a more basic flaw.  I go into it with my own blog Lead Generation Sites - Are They Worth It?   Some of the comments I got points out one of the key flaws of online lead generation sites. 

09/28/2007 12:04 AM by Terry Iwaniw - S NJ REALTOR (ReMax Home Team)


I am very fortunate that my broker subscribes to these types of lead generation services for us and tracks very careful the outcome of each.  If it doesn't work he dumps it and moves on.

I feel that careful tracking is the only way to know if your marketing will be effective or if you need to change it.

Our business is one of the need to constantly change, but if it ain't broke don't fix it!!!

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Sally, your statements are blatently anti-trust.  I would be very careful regarding your comments. 

For the record...I am documenting that I will not take part in this discussion and am leaving the room.

01/20/2008 08:21 PM by Gail Gladstone (Coldwell Banker)


Gail wrote: Sally, your statements are blatently anti-trust.  I would be very careful regarding your comments. 

 Gail, no, the statements are not.  There is a lot more to being accused of antitrust acvtivity other then staing your own opinion and putting forth a suggested action.  As far as I'm concerned about the lead-generation companies is that not enough people have filed complaints to the respective State Attorney Generals about the lead generation's business practices.  Anyone spending any amount of money for any of the leads from these lead generation companies proves the adage "A fool and his money are soon parted".

01/20/2008 09:09 PM by Terry Iwaniw - S NJ REALTOR (ReMax Home Team)


Sorry, I believe the government would disagree with you and it seems as though Sally might also...I no longer find her comments on this blog.  Her statement was

"If we starve them out they'll go away. No profit, No company. All it takes is for us to say NO in enough numbers and they'll go away and then all the leads will come directly to us where they should be anyway. "

This is 100% anti-trust and that is not what we are about in these blogs.  Everyone has a right to complain about what they don't like or what might be hurting an industry or if they think something is run improperly.  What you cannot write about is a call to action for the industry to black list another...to band together to shut someone out.  That is anti-trust.

I am not criticizing Sally or anyone else...just asking for a heads up...we do not want to lose the privilege of this or any other blog site.

01/20/2008 09:39 PM by Gail Gladstone


Barry,

Great post.  It is allways good to learn something new on SEO, etc.  Thanks! 

 

01/20/2008 10:49 PM by Bradley Kress, CSP, Interior/Exterior Redesigner (Restaged2sell.com -Re Stage to Sell)


There is some great discussion going on here...and the points are critical to the future of our industry....technology has made it simple enough for Realtors and Brokers to aggregate their own leads, to get on the internet and to be seen where they want to be seen....while this wasn't always the case....the lead aggregators that do not add value to the transaction but do little more than advertise online and pass the name along to a Realtor should be going the way of the Dinosaur....or a more timely example..the way of Blockbuster stores....what is the value of a store when you can use Netflix or downloading for less and more conveniently.....a changing paradigm brings all competitors back to zero...

So don't complain about the aggregators....go beat them in the market place with blogs, web sites and better rankings on the searches....

We can do it and we need to do it.....we have the technology, we have the know how.... 

 

 

02/18/2008 04:36 PM by Mike Tetreau - Sales Vice President ABR, CRS, GRI (William Raveis Real Estate - Fairfield, CT)


Interesting article and a good post. But like mentioned in one of the responses is to try to beat them at there own gain. The biggest problem with the lead resellers is the quality of he lead.

They are very aggressive in buyng ppc on top searches - but they are in business like any middleman is to buy a product at one price and be able to sell it at another.

 If there was no market for there leads would they even exist.

02/24/2008 01:02 PM by Rick Belben - Orlando Real Estate - Orlando Homes For Sale (Amerivest Realty of Central Florida)


Great Post, You have definitely gained a new follower!

02/24/2008 02:34 PM by D. Bass ~ Blog: Ask The Underwriter (Alpha Mortgage Training)


Great article with great points. There are so many lead generation companies out there that say they will manage your pay per click campaign and then for my part produced less leads that I could myself.

Just labor intensive thats all

 

Anne

03/17/2008 12:22 PM by Tucson Real Estate Experts Anne and Eddie McKechnie (Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage)


I do not have a COI to speak of.  I have from the very beginning relied 100% on my internet marketing campaigns.  I have tried many and after 2.5 years at it we finally have fine tuned it.  We have a nice budget and generate numerous leads from my site.  I love it when people say, "the internet oh, that doesn't work"

07/29/2008 10:09 PM by Re/max Olathe - PIC Properties - Paul Jones ( Kansas & Missouri ) (Re/Max Real Estate Group Olathe, KS )


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