I previewed the following home (MLS and address not listed to protect the owner and the agent) sometime last year. The owner greeted and me and conducted the showing/walk about . He is a pleasant gentleman, obviously proud of his work. The home is in a gorgeous setting as is typical of many properties that are located in flood zones other than B, C, and X. As typical for non subdivision Mississippi, the area is mixed with types and quality of homes. This home sits far back from the road giving one a feeling of seclusion.

The drive down the street where the home is located more than likely had a negative effect on the appeal of the property. The home is a 10 year old rambling ranch style.

When I spoke with the owner I asked him about flooding as many people after Katrina did not want to be exposed to any threat of water. I had no reason to have done DO Diligence at that time. So, I did not use my GEOJET. The only time he faltered a bit was when he said that flood insurance is required, though his property did not flood during Katrina and had never flooded.

It is not unusual for homes in this area to be on the market for a year or longer before selling (according to MLS history search).

I pulled the following MLS history on this home. I am still confused about how a home can be closed 1 day and listed active the next day. I don't think it was operator error as the close price was listed substantially below the list price. --see below--.

Original List: 09/06/$274, 900           Reduced: 12/06/$269,500    Expired: 07/07

Re-Listed: 07/05/2007/$258,000     Closed:07/23/07/$225,000     Active: 07/24/07/$258,000 

Withdrawn: 08/03/07$258,000

(I am including the flood map because I have a suspicion it may have had something to do with how things turned out for this seller). Cooperating MLS commission: 2.5%

 Zone AE and A1-A30
Areas with a 1% annual chance of flooding and a 26% chance of flooding over the life of a 30-year mortgage. In most instances, base flood elevations derived from detailed analyses are shown at selected intervals within these zones.

The MLS converted to FSBO Owner says:

Original Price:     $263, 800

Reduced:              15, 800   IF NO REALISTATE (That is the spelling on his flier. I assume he meant REALTOR)

New Price:          $248, 000  IF SOLD BY OWNER

GREAT SAVINGS OF $15, 800  

So, if we do the math he is assuming all REALTOR transactions REquire a 6% commission. Now if one of us said something like that, we could be disciplined and/or fined.

This is a circumstance where I would not say it was the agent's fault. Her profile indicated:

The Agent lived on the beautiful Gulf Coast for 29 years. 

  • College Graduate
  • Agent was raised in the Real Estate business. 
  • The Agent was one of the 2004 Mississippi Gulf Coast Board of Realtors Top Producers, and received a bronze level award.
  • She has a family and was mentored by her succcessful REALTOR/mother 
  • The agent has a positive reputation

(I always feel a bit intimidated by agents who advertise "I grew up here... I moved here right before Katrina)

Below is a property that closed in August, 07. The two properties had many similarities, i.e., 10 yrs on both, sq ftg almost matched, #acres almost matched. The main differences: the property below had an inground pool as compared to the property above. The property below also had a 1600 sf work shop with 4 rolling doors. In my opinion the decor of the above property was more appealing. The style of the 2nd property is acadian. It was on the market 219 days Listed at $269K and closed at $265K. Cooperating MLS Commission 3.0%. Listed by Broker, sold by agent of same firm.

Zones B, C, and X
Areas outside the 1-percent annual chance floodplain, areas of 1% annual chance sheet flow flooding where average depths are less than 1 foot, areas of 1% annual chance stream flooding where the contributing drainage area is less than 1 square mile, or areas protected from the 1% annual chance flood by levees. No Base Flood Elevations or depths are shown within this zone. Insurance purchase is not required in these zones.

This began as an easy blog. I was simply going to share the For Sale By Owner's selling strategy. Then when I began looking at it, I was compelled to dig a little deeper. I don't really have a conclusion, but questions. I would appreciate feedback as I spent so much time looking at these 2 properties that I hope to convert the time to "educational or research investment". So, here goes:

  1. Can you compare properties in close radius but different flood zones? If so, what formula would you use?
  2. If you have a residential lot that is partially wetland, how do you handle valuation? (Example: 15 acres with 2/3 wetland. The land is beautiful.)
  3. What would the value difference be between an above ground pool well disguised by a built up deck compared to an inground pool?
  4. How do you value a metal workshop garage w/uts, rolling doors?
  5. What do you think of the FSBO advertising strategy?

(Supporting information from Gulf Coast MLS search and floodsmart.gov)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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12 Comments on MLS Seller Converts to FSBO (You may get a chuckle out of this)

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16
2007
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Hi Suzi,  some of this I think would require the SWAG method of comparables.  :)  We have the flood zone issue here...usually SWAG pricing. 

Above ground pool issue,  I don't think an appraiser would add much value for that.  Another SWAG issue.

No idea about the shed.

The FSBO...a little loco I think.  :)

If you don't know SWAG... Scientific Wild A$& Guess.

11:06pm • #1
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Stepahanie, I love that! It made me REALize I need to chill a little about trying to be precise.
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Suzi,  in situations like that it is very hard to be precise...at least in my past experiences.  Even if there are comps for a home in the flood plain, it does not mean that every buyer will pay that.  Some may pay more, some may pay less.  Same with above ground pools.  All you can do is try to get in the ball park with the numbers that you have.  In the situation you mentioned, I would think it would make about $20,000 difference atleast.  But again, just a guess.

The SWAG method is fun.  I have used that term on Listing Appointments before and they just think that I am being technical.   LOL.  :)

11:37pm • #3
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One more thing,  the price difference...I meant for my area.
11:38pm • #4

Suzi,

That is a real tough one and while you/we try not to use the SWAG method, you do have to remember that this is NOT an exact science! The property you are describing cannot even be considered a "Cookie Cutter". Making it even less scientific and leaning over closer to the SWAG method............lol that cracks me up too.
Now as far as selling one day and being listed the next, SURE that can happen, but did it really sell?  Even if the property was listed TOO high at the start-$274900, it is amazing how many people will look at the property and think that it is worth what it did not sell for(The OLP)!  GO figure that!  Anyway, with that in mind, someone may have bought it for the $224k, thinking it is worth the OLP of $274900; now trying to do a quick flip and sell it for $258k.  When you say "Closed" I am thinking now there is a new owner?  As far as the advertising and trying to the math with and without the coop--the guy is probably smoking some of what he is growing down there..........

11:55pm • #5
OH yea, not sure about over there, but here in GA, the above ground pool is still considered to be Personal Property since it can theoretically be moved; no value for the above ground pool.
11:57pm • #6
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17
2007
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Bruce, I think I will call the L/A soon and see if it were an actual sell. Several things make me think it could have been an error--the parcel # did not change, the mls # did not change. I am thinking that it could possibly have been P for pending rather than C for close. Because it appeared to go straight from Active to Closed. I am not saying closed--it was indicatd at as such in the MLS. Note that after it re-listed 7/24 it was withdrawn 8/23. I will have to find out now for the sake of curiosity.

Good point about the above ground pool. Even an in ground pool ads value only if a buyer is looking for an inground pool. Somewhere by someone I got the impression that an aboveground pool can count against market perception (linked to value but not the same as market value). This particular above ground pool appears more permanent because it is surrouded by decking (is that a real word:-)?

By the way, in your area--how are ranch styles fairing in comparison to arcadian style homes? I am beginning to feel that ranch styles may be in serious trouble. But, it may be that other issues have been associated to ranches making it appear that ranches are "falling into buyer disdain".

12:30am • #7
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Hi Suzi -

As an Appraiser, I look at the subect properties largest advantages or disadvantages and try to find similar sales to those first.  In this case, it would be the flood zone.  If there is a lack of similar sales in flood zones, I would try to group flood and non-flood zone similar properties against each other (but not necessarily like the subject) and try to determine a differential in price and days on market for a better idea of what to expect. 

Also, if there is proof that the flood zone does not include the main structure, I would not consider the property in an absolute flood zone.  It's common for the house to be built on the highest point of the property in flood zones and if it has a proven history of remaining dry through other floods, the flood zone it's in can be less of a negative.

Pools in the Northwest hold little value, so I am going to pass on that one...

Shops, sheds, barns and other exterior structures are generally given much less value than some buyers are willing to adjust their purchase price for in an Appraiser's world, so again... I'll pass on that one, too ... but again, finding somewhat similar properties with and without shops or other structures may give you an idea on value.  Mind you, in my experience it's usually not nearly the amount that it cost to add the structure in the first place unless shops are a must-have in that area.

Of course all the above information may pertain to my market more than yours ... Hopefully a Mississippi Appraiser will see this and pipe in!

12:53pm • #8
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2007
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Hi Suzi , here a pool does not add value, it does however add days on the market.

I always search the tax records of the property and the neighbors for the flood plain info.

If the shed is in good shape it should add value to the property.

Never pay attention to FSBO ads, only 2% sell without listing anyway.  :)

4:41am • #10
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23
2007
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Wow, Damion what a surprise and pleasure to hear from you. Thank you for taking the time to give such a complete response. When I did not hear from you for awhile I figured you were busy and it would be a perfect time to sneak up on you. However, I am taking a break from blog posting this coming week and plan to improve myself by reading more of the great material already written.

This blog was worth it to run into the term "Swag". That's a Texan for ya. Thanks, Stephanie! 

I pretty much have followed the same formula you layed out, but its nice to validate theories. I agree about the "anything over 3 acres most likely has wetlands" too.

You deserve 1st place. It won't take much to get there when you have time. I'll just have to work hard after next week not to lose 2nd.

8:40am • #11
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Damion, sometimes I wish I were not so "Gotta be Independent"; but, I may as well accept it. I have wasted time and money fighting myself. Again, congratulations on your busy office. I will check out your website referral when I have more time. For now, church service calls.
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