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Has anyone ever handled or have done a lease with an option to own?   I would like to find out more information about this, I do feel that this will become more and more popular. 

 In Queens NY, I see properties getting listed every day and the inventory growing so quickly these days and it will take many months to sell off  what is  existing right now.  Many sellers are still holding onto the thought of higher prices and not adjusting as needed, quickly enough.  So there are alot of homes that have been sitting on the market for more than 90 days, and with reports of the market declining by 15 - 20% each month there is little hope for the investors who  bought with the intention to flip and sell.  So what do you do if you bought a property with thoughts of flipping and got caught holding the hot potato? 

You hold on to it!  No, this is not a joke.  Right now we are in the rental high again.  The apartments that are out there are renting and we are showing signs of rent increases.   Instead of selling your property at a loss, think about renting it out.  If you sign a year lease and providing you did a tenant check, then the rent coming in can and will sustain you.  You can use the rental money that you collect monthly to pay your mortgage, taxes and home owners insurance and at least you won't be shelling out the money out of your pocket each month. 

Another tactic that I do see coming into play again is the "renting with an option to buy".  This is a win win situation for the landlord and the tenant.  As the landlord when you enter into this agreement there are a few things that will ease your mind. 

* Tenant will have a true commitment - They will pay their rent on time because there is a bigger picture and they don't want to lose what they are working for.

*Tenant will keep and treat their home as their own from day one.  They will do (should be noted in agreement) minor repairs and tasks that need to be done to maintain their home. 

*At the end of the lease, you do not have to put your home up for sale - you could already have your buyer. 

There are many ways to draw up this agreement,  (I do suggest that you have an attorney draw up the documents) and there are many factors to consider before you enter into this kind of agreement.

*Market value and day of signing - this is a price of the home value at the lease signing.  You predetermine with the tenant what the fair market value is at that time and that is the price you are getting.  If the market skyrockets again - it is not easy to re-negotiate after the fact.  IF the market severely declines then I am sure the tenant will have a clause about over paying.  Again, this is an issue that an attorney will iron out.

*Is the down payment being factored in?  The landlord can have a rental amount as well as the partial down payment that he could be collecting.  If the deal goes sour, I am sure that the landlord gets to keep the down payment, or at least a substantial amount.  (Attorney needed to iron out). 

Some other issues that need an attorney:

*What are the terms?  Is there a large amount due from the tenant at the end of the agreement?  Is the money being held for down payment in a non-baring interest account?  Does the landlord or tenant have 30,60 or 90 days to cancel contract once the lease is over?  How many days after lease termination does the closing need to transpire?

 

15 Comments on Flipping, Renting, there are options.....

A friend of mine in Jersey has been saying the same thing Christine.  Until this year he had never written a lease-purchase.  It is now November and he has now had 6 of them.  In that kind of market they will become popular.

11/15/2006 09:46 AM by Jennifer K Giraldi, Atlanta REALTOR® Atlanta Real Estate Expert (Solid Source Realty Atlanta)


Hi Christine,

This has been a viable option for homeowners and (rent to owners) in California. It especially works well for homebuyers that would not otherwise qualify for a home loan at that point in time, giving them the opportunity to "clean things up" and still be able to get into a home. Typically, the homeowner would keep the deposit in the event that the deal went south. This is part of the agreement and presents an immediate cash benefit to the homeowner...

Scott

11/15/2006 09:46 AM by Oak Valley Mortgage-California Home Loans and Refinancing


Hello Christine

I used to live near Whitestone. Wow..the world just got smaller. As you described that is how I sold my house in Throgs Neck. Great renters scared to death to buy-gave them a lease option for a year, closed on the 13th month. Worked for them (20 year rental history) they now derive the benefits of home ownership-tax deductions) I was able to buy my home here in Florida and everyone was happy!  Brace yourself...if what is happening here is beginning to happen there...it will be a s l o w year in 2007. Good luck

11/15/2006 09:51 AM by Allison Stewart REALTOR ®St. Cloud Florida (Florida Pines Realty, Inc)


This IS very popular. The problem we see is keeping the buyers' interests protected. There are a lot of "slum"lords that have locked onto the "Lease Option" opportunity- charging a huge "up front, unrefundable" deposit, charging "above market" rent, and making the contract last so long that by the time the "buyer" is ready to buy, they are bored with the house and wind up losing all the money they put into it because they want a different house...

This can be avoided, if the buyer is represented by a real estate agent and Option agreements are filed w/ the recorder ... etc. 

I agree - this IS the way that we are going to have to start working. Price will always be KING, but "Terms" will be a great "Prince" . Great post!

11/15/2006 10:04 AM by Mariana Wagner ~ Colorado Springs REALTOR® (Wagner iTeam -Keller Williams Clients' Choice)


My favorite option "flip" story is the guy that Clint Eastwood, Gene Upshaw et.al. brought in for several years in the 90s to revitalize Pebble Beach (rather successfully I should note).  The guy wanted to live in the palacial and beautiful mansion that is on the point the PB clubhouse is on and it was owned by a woman that had it since the 50s but wasn't living there. 

He leased it and (as I understand it) his agent told him he should get a purchase option as well in the lease.  He wasn't inclined to purchase it but agreed to follow his agent's advice.  During the height of the internet craze, with Silicon Valley a short (less than) 2 hour drive away, he was done with his stint at PB and ready to leave.  He was shocked when he was told by an agent how much he could potentially get for the place based on his option right - $54 million (to some "kid" who was suddenly worth some obscene amount of money).  After giving the woman her $18 million and paying his agent, he walked away with about $35 million or so without ever having invested a dime in ownership.

I don't know him personally, but this was passed to me when visiting there by a long-time local from Carmel-by-the-Sea, so I give it a 95% "on" rating.  Even if he's off by a million or two here or there, it's a great story.

11/15/2006 10:15 AM by Gabriel Silverstein, SIOR, e-PRO (Angelic Real Estate)


Lease with an option can be great for a buyer who needs to improve their credit score.  The only down side I've had from it is taking a haircut on the initial commission.  If you can wait for them to exercise the option to get paid then spend your time with buyers who aren't yet qualified.

11/15/2006 10:48 AM by Keith Jeppson - Salt Lake City Real Estate (Keller Williams Utah Realty)


Hi Christine,

I've done a good share of lease with option-to-buy deals, mostly out of state. I was mentored by Claude Diamond (from Calif & Colorado). Y ou probably can google him for info.

The bottom line goals are: when you are buying, negotiate for a great purchase price just in case of a changing market, negotiate for a low rent, get a %age of the monthly rent to apply to the purchase price when the option is picked up, always have an extension clause, and  when selling, always get a non-refndable option from your tenant and make the rent higher the your negotiated figure, for positive cash flow.

Greeting from Long Island, and a former Flushing-Elmhurst resident.

11/15/2006 10:52 AM by Peter Andres - ZipRealty Team Leader (ZipRealty - "Your home is where our heart is" )


"The Lovely Christine"

Hey NY Chick...Long time, no apple for me...Sorry, I have been busy shooting the cows...BAM...Would you like a t-bone or shall I salisbury it for you? Okay, I am done messing with you.

Lease Options=I like lease options. We did that with a house we owned and guess what...They backed out of the agreement and got to keep that down payment...Much better than giving it to the lawyers!

How was that for a comment? On topic, off topic and with a tad of Mouthy Mouth :0) Create for yourself a Lovely evening...

TLW "The Lovely Wife"...Well Rounded Comment...Yes...ROAR!

11/15/2006 01:00 PM by "The Lovely Wife"...Broker Bryant's Wife... (Co-Owner Tutas Towne Realty, Inc.)


A great way to handle the Lease Option is to seek the Investors out yourself so that when you have shown a house and the buyer  has fallen in love with it, they can afford it, but they just have credit issues - you can call your personal investors to buy the house and Lease Purchase it to the potential buyer.

Here's the great part - you have still received your full commission and you have helped the Investor and your client who will both send you business!

11/15/2006 03:27 PM by Brian Foxworth SC, GA, FL, & TN Mortgage Loans (Palmetto South Mortgage )


Hi Christine.

Great topic. The rental vacancy rate is 1% in Manhattan now some landords are getting 25% increases it used to be 4%.

I've done leases with options to buy in coops and condos. The ones that I've done were owners that were leaving the country or state they were not ready to sell they didn't know if they would be coming back.

I add a rider to the lease that if the owner decides to sell during the term of the lease, tenant shall have first option to buy. Price and terms determined by owner at that time. Tenant has a 2 week window to sign contract before owner can sell to other buyers. I include my commission as procuring broker and the other broker if it's a cobroke. One of them did buy and I have a tenant in a condo that keeps renewing the lease.

I've been reading some studies that are saying NYC prices should be increasing 3-5% for the next three years. One study said 5 cities are bubble proof. S.F., L.A., Boston, Seattle and NYC.

BTW: My sister in law is from Bayside and when my brother got married they lived in Whitestone.

Can you get a house in Queens for under $500,000.? My cousin was looking last year and gave up. She owns a 2 BR coop in Bay Terrace. I'm going there for Thanksgiving if she's still looking to buy and sell would you be interested? 

11/15/2006 03:47 PM by Mitchell Hall, Associate Broker, New York, NY (Coldwell Banker Previews International)


Thank you everyone for the great feedback, it was very helpful.  Some great comments and suggestions, very cool.  Thanks again.

TLW - you are greatly missed.  Thank you for blessing me with your presence.

Mitchell - I sent you an email privately. And am I interested?  Ummm lemme think - yea.... 

 

11/15/2006 05:14 PM by Christine Forgione - Associate Broker (1)


I'm here babe. Just not blogging as much I'm saving the good stuff, as you know...Bubba keeps staring at your picture. Geez, the guy makes me miss you...So here I am...I even had a real comment. :0)...TLW...ROAR!

11/15/2006 05:43 PM by "The Lovely Wife"...Broker Bryant's Wife... (Co-Owner Tutas Towne Realty, Inc.)


Lease option with conditions have done, usually a non refundable hefty deposit..no matter which option.  Prefer lease purchase.  Wonder what will happen to the capital gains tax now?

11/15/2006 08:17 PM by Teri Isner GRI, CRS, CIPS (Keller Williams Celebration)


TLW - BUUUUBBAA - how is that blogging pro?  Thanks for your real comment - to my comment from your prior comment.. :>  Give that BUBBA a big ole kiss for me..  

So Teri, you mean Lease option is not as good as Lease Purchase.  Let me see if I understand the difference between the two.  The option - would be either party could get out.  lease Purchase is a solid form of wording the legalities?  Not sure I get that.  You also pose a good "q" - what does happen with the capital gains tax?  I have a ton of questions about this topic. 

11/15/2006 09:55 PM by Christine Forgione - Associate Broker (1)


Stopped doing lease options years ago.  Any one who can manage a 630 credit score can get a decent 100% loan these days. 

If their credit isn't any good, they aren't good credit risks either.  We used to do land contracts with a VERY high security deposit.  The buyer almost never refinanced.  With a land contract, the AGENT GET'S PAID UP FRONT.  We shouldn't take risks for a year or two in the event they buyer or seller changes their mind. 

Rent Option?  Almost never got the price they wanted when they rented. 

I simply tell folks now.  If you can buy, buy.  If you want to rent and buy later, rent. 

Finally, the agents doesn't get paid until the buyer buys. 

Too much cold water.  I'm quitting for the night.

11/16/2006 07:38 PM by Lenn Harley Homefinders.com MD & VA Real Estate


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