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Why Do I Have to Get Pre-Approved with Other Lenders I Don't Want to Use Before I Can Make an Offer on a Property? FAQ - #4

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Mortgage and Lending with Los Angeles & Ventura Counties in CA

In Part 1, I discussed the different first time buyer and down payment assistance (dpa) programs that are available to prospective buyers here in Los Angeles & Ventura counties.  In Part 2, I discussed some of the specific property qualifying requirements for the different dpa programs.  In Part 3 I discussed the kind of documentation that is required in order to determine eligibility for these dpa programs. 

In Part 4, I want to discuss a particularly practice that prospective buyers will have to go through (typically several times if they choose to) before getting into escrow.  I will also discuss ways to avoid this despicable practice as much as possible and how I can help when it happens to you. 

 

In 1974, a statute was established to help homebuyers become better shoppers in the home buying process.  This statute is called the Real Estate Settlement Procedures Act (RESPA) and is enforced by HUD.  Rules and regulations were put into place for the sole purpose of protecting a buyer's right to shop for their settlement services (loan, title, escrow, pest, etc...). 

In accordance to RESPA rules, Mortgage Loan Originators (MLO) must inform borrowers that they have the right to shop for and choose their own settlement services and we provide a disclosure stating the settlement services that borrowers are allowed to shop for and choose for themselves. 

However, the problem that has become a huge issue here in Los Angeles & Ventura counties (as well as other areas across the country) is that while all licensed MLO are informing buyers that they can shop for their own settlement services many listing agents (LA) are then violating these buyers rights by demanding the buyers waive their right to choose their own settlement services or their offers will not be presented to the sellers for consideration. 

What makes this particular violation even worse here in CA is that in accordance to CA Dept. of Real Estate (DRE) rules, regs and codes, agents have a fiduciary duty and responsibility to present all offers and counteroffers in a timely and diligent manner.  So not only are these LA violating buyers rights to choose their own settlement services but they're also violating CA DRE rules, regs and codes to present all offers.  While I'm not disputing that sellers should have the right to know whether or not a buyer is qualified to purchase their home, that doesn't allow these sellers and their LA to violate buyer's rights or CA DRE rules, regs and codes. 

Sellers and their LA will tell buyers and their agents that they just want to make sure that buyers are truly qualified.  If sellers and their LA truly want to know if a prospective buyer is qualified to buy their property, with the buyer's permission, sellers and LA are free to have their preferred lender speak with the buyers chosen lender and discuss the buyers qualification and eligibility to purchase the property. 

It just amazes me how incredibly arrogant and irrational it is for sellers and their LA to think that their preferred lender is the only lender in town that can close a loan.  Furthermore, when these same preferred lenders can't perform (yes, folks that's right, preferred lenders fail to perform more than you think), time, energy and money (typically the buyers money) is wasted when the buyer now has to get another lender to close the loan.  On numerous occasions, I have done just that, closed a loan that some preferred lender couldn't close after the seller and their LA forced the buyer to use the preferred lender or their offer wouldn't be accepted. 

When pre-approving my clients for a home loan, I will educate them on how I can help them through this particular despicable process by speaking with the sellers preferred lenders on my buyers behalf and I can inform the preferred lenders the steps I have performed to ensure my borrowers qualifications and eligibility for the loan they have applied for.  Sometimes, this has been sufficient for the sellers and their lenders; other times though, the sellers lenders refuse to speak to me or any other buyers lenders. 

When this happens, I have one word for my buyers:   BEWARE!!!   This is a good sign that the sellers lender is not interested in just making sure the buyer is qualified for a home loan but rather, they are simply interested in pilfering other lenders pre-approved borrowers.  Fortunately for my borrowers, I have educated them about this particular scam.  It's vital that borrowers learn to recognize these kinds of sleazy tactics and ploys so that they are able to make decisions that are in their best interest. 

Buying a home is one of the most important decisions someone can make.  Today's real estate market can be really scary (especially here in Los Angeles & Ventura counties), which is why it's important to get as much information as possible before starting your search.  The pre-approval process is not a simple process and it's because it can get really complicated and convoluted, that borrowers today need affordable loan options that are best suited for their own needs. 

If you have any questions and/or concerns, please feel free to contact me, Donne Knudsen, at 805.2069123 or donne4loans@earthlink.net.  That's what I'm here for and I would love to be able to assist you in your search for an affordable home loan. 

What Kind of First Time Buyer Programs are Available in Los Angeles & Ventura Counties? FAQ - #1

What kind of property can I buy? FAQ - #2

What Kind of Paperwork Do You Need to Pre-Approve Me? FAQ - #3

What Kinds of Things Can Go Wrong in the Loan Process? FAQ - #5

What are Impound Accounts & Why Do I Need to Have Them in Order to Close My Loan? FAQ - #6

Can You Help Me Get My Kid Get Out of My House? FAQ - #7 

I'm Supposed to be Closing Next Week Can You Help Me? FAQ - #8 

If I Buy a Duplex, Can I Apply the Tenants Rent Towards My Mortgage? FAQ #9

What Happens if My Appraisal Comes in Low? - FAQ #10

What is a HomePath Property and How Can I Buy One? - FAQ #11

Can I Still Get a Loan if I Don’t Have Perfect Credit? – FAQ #12

Are There Still Loan Programs Where I Don't Have to Put Anything Down? - FAQ #13

 

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Realtor® - CalState Realty Services

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Charita Cadenhead
eXp Realty - Birmingham, AL
Serving Jefferson and Shelby Counties (Alabama)

Donne the only time that I am aware of this requirement/request to use the seller's lender is when buyer is making an offer on a foreclosed or REO property.  I'm not sure how or why listing agents and these sellers are even allowed to enter this into the MLS.

I had not run into this problem of non-forecloure and non-REO sellers damanding that buyers use or pre-qualify with a particular lender.  Suggest maybe, but not demand.

Jan 19, 2011 02:53 AM
Tammy Lankford,
Lane Realty Eatonton, GA Lake Sinclair, Milledgeville, 706-485-9668 - Eatonton, GA
Broker GA Lake Sinclair/Eatonton/Milledgeville

We have banks that require pre-quals through them (buyers do not have to use those lenders only qualify) I won't name the banks, but you'd certainly know them.  I don't like it, I don't agree with it, but when my listing agreement says I have to pass that on the buyers I do.  I always encourage buyers to consider my favs on my list and inquire at their local banks.  Sometimes though only my list of lenders will be able to get the job done, not because of buyers, but because of product (we have lease lots and local lenders who do those) ect..

I too have NEVER seen a non REO seller require a specific lender. 

Once I did see one TRY to demand a certain inspector.  But I'm sure you know how that went. BA HAHAHAHA

Jan 19, 2011 04:49 AM
Donne Knudsen
Los Angeles & Ventura Counties in CA - Simi Valley, CA
CalState Realty Services

Charita & Tammy - While this process of requiring prospective buyers get pre-approved with the sellers/LA preferred lender started with REO's, here in Los Angeles & Ventura counties, it has now spread to other types of listings as well.  Personally, other than REO's, I don't even think the sellers know or even care which lender a buyer uses; I think it's the LA that is trying to push buyers to their in-house lender.  JMHO

In these cases, the LA is supposed to provide documentation that the seller has requested this and, of course, if a BA insists on seeing this documentation, you can imagine where their offer is going to end up at. 

While we all know that sellers and LA can't demand that buyers use a specific lender, the fact that CA Realtors/agents are making offer presentations contingent on buyers getting pre-approved with a specific lender is in violation of CA DRE rules, regs & codes.  I'm curious, do your state DRE rules, regs & codes mandate that you have to present all offers?

What I would like to see happen is for sellers and their LA to accept the buyers chosen lender pre-approval and if the offer is accepted then have them double app at the preferred lender.  What I hate seeing is my clients having to go through this process numerous times for properties where their offers were never accepted.  After awhile, I have seen how these numerous inquiries can have an effect on my clients median credit scores. 

Luckily for my clients, it's never been bad enough to disqualify them for a loan.  You think I bitch now about this despicable practice now, you haven't seen nothing because if this practice ever does affect one of my clients loan approval, all #%!! will break loose.

Jan 19, 2011 05:52 AM
Anja Kerstens, 669.270.8034
Compass - Morgan Hill, CA
GRI, NHCB, CDPE, CHS. Silicon Valley Homes

My buyer clients were offered to go to the sellers (REO) preferred lender (themselves) and offered a few incentives.  My clients had their own loan officer but considered switching because of these intensives.

Good Post Donne

Jan 19, 2011 10:22 AM
Donne Knudsen
Los Angeles & Ventura Counties in CA - Simi Valley, CA
CalState Realty Services

Anja - You bring up a scenario that is currently being reviewed by HUD as a possible RESPA violation.  The issue being reviewed is if a seller (regardless if it's a bank or not) is going to offer a sales incentive to prospective buyers, they have to offer it to all prospective buyers regardless of whether or not the prospective buyers choose to use the sellers services or not.  They should be ruling on this practice sometime in the next few months.

Thx for stopping by Anja; I really appreciate it.  Have a nice night and I hope the rest of your week goes well.  :)

Jan 19, 2011 01:11 PM
Ed Gillespie
WealthWise Mortgage Planning, a Division of American Pacific Mortgage Corporation NMLS #1850 - Folsom, CA

Great post, Donne, and SPOT ON!

Jan 23, 2011 05:37 AM
Donne Knudsen
Los Angeles & Ventura Counties in CA - Simi Valley, CA
CalState Realty Services

Ed - Well, you know how I feel about this particular practice.  I can't wait until HUD finally rules on this nonsense.

Jan 23, 2011 07:43 AM
Ken Barker RealtorĀ® GRI, E-Pro Certified
Dilbeck Real Estate - Burbank, CA

Donne - We'll I have been aggravated many a time with the LA's that state. "Seller chooses services". According to our MLS, let alone REPSPA and DRE rules, it is illegal. But I see it time and time again in the remarks.

What I am O.K. with is short sales, because they have already pulled the title and escrow and may have already done the HUD, less the lender info.

AS to REO's, we'll we hate it but we live with it. They have their own companies and if I ask for any services my buyer does not get the offer accepted. They say they are cheaper.

I get irritated when I see a regular sale ask for services. Sometimes I get some LA to split with me. I know I like to keep my services in house but it is not worth losing an offer for my seller.

Jan 25, 2011 03:56 PM
Donne Knudsen
Los Angeles & Ventura Counties in CA - Simi Valley, CA
CalState Realty Services

Ken - I am just so sick of my borrowers being forced to give their personal info to people they have neither the desire nor the intention of working with just so that the LA will present the offer to seller.  WTH???  LA's are supposed to present all offers regardless of whether or not they buyers uses the sellers lender.

Furthermore, all this double apping is just ridiculous because as soon as the sellers lenders find out that my borrowers already have a lender and that they have no intention of switching, suddenly my borrowers offer never see the light of day or if it does somehow make it to the bank seller, the chances of that bank seller accepting my borrowers offer over one of the other offers becomes slim to none.

Jan 27, 2011 04:26 PM