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Greenspan, The Evil Villain by Bill Roberts

Everybody talks about Alan Greenspan like he is some kind of God or something. When Greenspan talks Wall Street listens. Give me a break!

I just can't take any more Alan Greenspan. He ought to just keep his mouth shut. He caused almost all of the problem.

 Let me see if I can recap it here in a few words. When he drove rates down to zero, mortgage rates followed. Home buyers (not the speculators) buy homes by how much they can afford to pay each month. As rates came down so did their payment amount. They could afford "more house."  It shouldn't be surprising that prices rose because of this. The buyers could either get more house or they could pay more for the house they wanted. And they did. Houses were selling for more than the list price. After all, nature abhors a vacuum. With their increased purchasing power price increases were inevitable.

The speculators saw what was happening and jumped in with both feet. Increased demand fueled by ever lowering interest rates caused the real estate market to spiral up, up, and away. Everybody was getting rich. Nobody wanted the party to end. But we knew it would.

When Greenspan started raising rates, home buyers could no longer afford the houses at current prices. They stopped buying. The price appreciation then also stopped. Without price appreciation the "flippers" could no longer afford to hold their investment houses. They needed appreciation to pay holding costs and transaction costs. Flipping just didn't make sense anymore. They started bailing out of the market as fast as they could, selling at any price.

This fueled a downward spiral. Prices were dropping like flies. Many of the home owners who bought at the top of the market found themselves "upside down." They probably could have lived through this but for one thing: they had adjustable rate mortgages (ARMs) that would have to adjust eventually (more like soon), and they were not paying anything on the principal. They had "interest only" or even "negative amortization" (Neg Am) loans. With rising rates mortgage payments were set to explode. And they couldn't re-finance because they owed too much.

Foreclosures were coming. Lots and lots of foreclosures. So damn many foreclosures that it is of epidemic proportions. And prices will fall some more.

If the rate hikes came a little slower, the market would have leveled out. Speculators could have gotten out of the market without taking a kamikaze plunge. With stable home prices the "real" home owners wouldn't have been upside down. Re-finance might have been a real option for many of these people. And foreclosures would be a whole lot lower.

If you follow this and agree with my conclusions you see that Greenspan and Bernanke caused almost the entire problem. What a jerk to now "blame" everybody else, and to profit from it by giving speeches and writing books. I wouldn't give him a penny, and nobody in our industry should either.

 

Bill Roberts

 

24 Comments on Greenspan, The Evil Villain

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The Fed isn't run by one guy..there's a Board of Governors and the Open Market Committee in place.  They make these decisions by vote.  The Fed Chair does not have the power to raise or lower rates on his own. 

The Fed Chair is more of a spokesperson than anything.  Former Fed economist Edward Lotterman says "the most common error in reporting on the Fed is to overestimate the power of the Chairman of the Board of Governors".   

12:26pm • #2
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Very good points, you make it pretty simple.
12:26pm • #3

My understanding is that the Fed's main purpose is to keep inflation in check, not to manipulate any one market such as housing.... obviously things could have been done differently, but to call him the "evil villain" is taking it a step too far.  But I won't be buying his book either

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Adam, thanks.

Eric, You can believe that if you want. The "influence" of the Fed Chairman is immense. The problem we have now is that there are not enough monetarists on the Federal Reserve Board. Too many "politicians" and not enough economists.

Bill Roberts

1:09pm • #5
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Ron, thank you. It really is pretty simple.

Bill Roberts

1:11pm • #6
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Kevin, The Federal Reserve System's purpose is to regulate the nation's banks. The Congress is charged with managing the nation's money. For the Federal Reserve to keep inflation in check is a "side" benefit of their banking duties, e.g. the discount rate.

Bill Roberts

1:16pm • #7
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Obviously an abbreviated history of events but relevant never-the-less.  The thing is the economy is easy to manage from hindsight but tough as heck to know what is going to happen.  Take 1996 for instance when Clinton signed the law allowing the $250.000 exemption.  That forever changed real estate holdings, as well.
1:24pm • #8
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Bill...

I am kinda nervous to comment on your blog.

I better keep my little ole opinions to myself.

I'm not afraid to say that I'm out of league :)

TLW...ROAR!

2:21pm • #9
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Chris, Everything is easier in hindsight. That doesn't make it any less true.

Billie, thanks  for stopping by. Not all of my posts are controversial.

Bill Roberts

2:26pm • #10
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Bill - thanks for the heads up on your post. I am afraid my "economist" credentials are slim to none, so I don't have the knowledge to judge if one or two people, even of Greenspan's stature, can have such a profound effect on the market. One of the main objectives of the Fed, the way I understood it" is to keep the check on inflation. This is what effects the entire economy, not just housing. Of course, housing has a ripple effect on the economy, as consumers buy less or more depending how much equity they feel they can spend or borrow against. Perhaps, the problem this time was with the investors in the hedge funds and other similar instruments who were buying-up subprime mortgages, without necessary risk control. As I said, I am not an expert.
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BILL:  Thanks for the interesting take on the cause and effect of rate changes.  It makes a lot of sense now.  Good job Bill.
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Faina, "One of the main objectives of the Fed, the way I understood it" is to keep the check on inflation" This is not the statutory role of the Fed but rather Grennspan and Bernanke's stated objective. As for Greenspan's influence on  the entire economy, I can only say that little things can lead to major consequences. There is an old saying that "for want of a nail, the shoe was lost, for want of the shoe the horse was lost, for want of the horse the rider was lost, for want of the rider the battle was lost, for want of the battle the kingdom was lost, so for want of a nail the kingdom was lost." This is a long way of saying that because of Greenspan's influence the Fed reduced rates down to zero. Mortgage rates followed this downward path to the lowest rates in my lifetime. These low rates created the "environment" for all the troubles that followed. 

All this talk about hedge fund operators is just obfuscation. Of course they jumped in. There was money to be made. Their action was a "result" not a "cause."

Our industry is suffering because of what is happening NOW. We need to understand all the causes and effects. If we don't, then how are we going to do anything about it? If we can't even agree on the effect of this latest rate reduction, we are just adding to the confusion instead of clearing things up for our clients. We need to be able to tell them things are moving in the right direction. It's OK to come back to the real estate market.

Thanks for participating in this necessary conversation.

Bill Roberts

1:12pm • #13
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Adam, I wish more people could "get it." We are in a difficult period right now.

Thank you.

Bill Roberts

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Bill- I knew you were going to write this post after I read your comment on Faina's post. I am glad you wrote your post. I never understand why anyone would put so much faith in just one man. I remember I would be somewhere and people would say, Everyone be quiet, Greenspan is going to speak.  I wondered then why would it all hang on one man. Isn't that a bit dangerous? It is a lot of power in the hands of a few; not a good thing for a republic. Katerina
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Katerina, 1913 was a very dark year for the US. That was the year that the constitutional amendment passed to allow personal income tax and that was the year congress created the Federal Reserve System and abdicated their control over money.

We're just making the best out a bad situation. In some ways it would be nice to "turn the clock back" and rethink these changes.

Bill Roberts

3:39pm • #16
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Bill- But the personal income tax was supposed to be a temporary thing! What happened! Katerina
11:52pm • #17
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Katerina, When it was "argued" before Congress, the proponents said it would never exceed 10% so what was the big deal?

Bill Roberts

10:51am • #18
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I noticed how "Greenspin" got out and retired so it didn't look like it was "his fault"  He knew what would happen.    Great post!

Lexa 

11:04pm • #19
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Lexa, thank you very much. You obviously "get it."

Bill Roberts

11:12am • #20
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Bill, I have a doctorate in this junk.  I want to congratulate you.  You didn't miss a beat in your analysis.

Now, to make matters worse, this moron whose credentials are the ability to double-talk better than that guy Crosby who used to be on the "Ed Sullivan Show," has resigned but he still wants to run the show.

Wonder if he can spell Economic Alzheimer's?

8:45pm • #21
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Bill, your comments mean a lot to me. Thank you. The real problem with Greenspan is that people still want to listen to him. In our business one would hope for a little more sanity.

Bill Roberts

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Very educational post Bill.  I always appreciate learning a little more about history.  Didn't know that 1913 was the year in which the personal income tax was instituted and the Federal Reserve Board formed.  History gives perspective.
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Lola, Thank you for reading this. I know I can be a little pedantic, but there is a lot to know.

Bill Roberts

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