When you are a tenant in a home, you pay your rent and expect that your landlord is paying the mortgage. Heck, it's spelled right out in the lease that both parties will do exactly that.  Landlord pays mortgage, tenant pays rent.

What happens when the tenant is still paying rent, and the landlord has stopped paying the mortgage because they are attempting a Short Sale?

Ask the tenants and they'll tell you it's time to stop paying rent.  That's not the best answer since the tenants did agree, in a signed document to pay the rent.  In fact, I once represented a tenant that was in the process of buying a home.  He'd stopped paying rent for this exact reason.  His landlord wasn't paying the mortgage.  Damn if he was going to let this guy take his money and run.  Well, what happened was that the tenant/buyer's loan was rejected.  It's funny how banks don't want to lend money to someone who doesn't want to pay their rent, no matter the reason.

Ask the landlord who is trying to conduct a Short Sale and he'll tell you that it is time to evict the tenants.  Really?  Let's think this through.  If you are collecting rent and trying to be approved for a Short Sale on that property, do you really think holding on to that money is going to make your financial picture look more enticing for the bank to say, "Sure.  We approve the Short Sale."  In fact, most investors with tenants in properties that they are attempting to Short Sale will be shocked to know that the banks want to know exactly what you are doing with the rent if you are not paying the mortgage.

Either way you slice it, Short Sales that involve a landlord who is no longer making mortgage payments, and tenants that are expected to keep up with the rent is a song that played out in the Prince Wiliam County market and I'm ready to hear a new tune.  I think the tune I prefer is one where a deal is worked out where the parties communicate openly, and honestly with one another.  The landlord lets the tenants know they are in danger of being forcibly removed after a foreclosure because of missed mortgage payments.  Perhaps the landlord cuts the tenants a break on the rent in exchange for living with a possible foreclosure hanging over their head.  Or perhaps the tenants approach the landlord about making such a deal after the amount of registered mail coming to the rental property from the mortgage company has struck a chord of panic.  Either way, it starts with being HONEST and COOPERATIVE.  In my opinion, it's the only way to be.

 

 

Chris Ann Cleland, Associate Broker- Licensed in Virginia, GRI, SFR, Northern Virginia Short Sale Specialist. Affiliated with Long & Foster, 7526 Limestone Drive, Gainesville, VA 20155.  To contact Chris Ann, call 703-402-0037 or email chrisann@LNF.com.  Or you can visit her website:  www.nvarealestate.net.

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16 Comments on The Landlord-Tenant Short Sale Dilemma is Alive and Well

JAN
23
2011
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Nicely written Chris.  There definitely a delicate balance in the rental situation on distressed homes.

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Let those tenants be a military family and watch the landlords change their tune quickly.  The SCRA makes it harder for the landlord to toss a military family on the streets and I've had two cases in the last year where the lender let the tenants stay until the end of their lease.

4:44pm • #2
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I know I wouldn't want to pay rent to a landlord who had a mortgage obligation he/she wasn't meeting. That would really rip me off.

4:53pm • #3
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I agree with Anne. I would not be happy paying rent when I know the landlord has no loyalty to me.

4:56pm • #4
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The landlord still owns the home and has a right to the rent per the lease agreement as long as he owns the home. Tenants need to start writing in their lease that they will not pay if the home goes for sale or the landlord is not paying the bank the monthly mortgage payments.

5:06pm • #5
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It's hard to justify paying rent when you know the mortgage isn't being made but putting the rent in an escrow account held by an attorney until a deal can be stuck.

5:20pm • #6
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Is there no rent control there that protects the tenants?  i.e. they can't be evicted by the new owners?  That would solve that problem.  Otherwise, cutting them a break would seem to be in the landlord's best interest.

8:30pm • #7
JAN
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2011
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Cameron:  Surprises, like finding out your landlord is getting a foreclosure notice, is not going to be taken well. 

Cindy:  Lenders are definitely becoming more likely to hold any family in the home to complete the lease.

Anne:  I can see where it would upset me too, but at the same time, it's not a good move if you are planning to buy after the rental.  You have to show twelve months of rental payment history.

 

10:53am • #8
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Ellie:  I don't think anyone can blame the tenant for feeling this way in a situation like this.

Lori:  And by the same token, if the landlord doesnt want to be in violation of the lease, the bit about them continuing to pay the mortgage needs to be removed. 

Pat:  That's a great idea and for the tenants would continue to show payment history.

Jane:  The new owners can not evict them, but as I mentioned, this comes to light during a Short Sale in most cases.  We all know that those are not quick turnarounds.  So for the theoretical six months of missed payments by the landlord, why on earth would a tenant continue to pay that landlord rent?

10:56am • #9
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I suggest to my sellers that they greatly reduce the rent for tenants and leave the tenants in the home during the short sale, providing the tenants are cooperative with showings. A vacant home might be a target for vandals, and often insurance won't cover a vacant home for more than 30 days without obtaining a special type of insurance that costs more.

11:49am • #10
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An open and honest discussion between the two parties would serve both of them well, but that rarely seems to happen. 

5:10pm • #11
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Elizabeth:  A great plan of attack.

Susan:  There is definitely too much secrecy between the parties and that seems pointless.

5:51pm • #12
OCT
07
2011
I can't believe there are not more articles on this subject. We found out our landlord wasn't making payments from the day we moved in (pre-meditated default) about 6 months into our lease (she didn't know her bank sent the info to us address only, no name, why we opened it). We specifically asked about the house goifng into default since we were moving to foreclosure land (aka California). We debated on with holding rent for the moving costs we'd incure but decided to honor our lease even though we felt she was less than honorable with us (we never mentioned we knew). The advantage for us was not getting emotionally attached to the house or schools for our kids (trying to see the positive). By month 11 we were swamped with realtors wanting to short sale and the default records were public. We withheld rent on month 13 and just told our landlord (two days ago) we know about the house and she can cover this month with the security deposit. She started defensively about our agreement not allowing the security deposit to cover rent (really? SHE wants to lecture us on honoring contracts?). She settled down as we explained she will NEED us if she intends a short sale. She claims she is getting a loan modification but (since we are landlords ourselves) we know you can't do that unless you lie about the house being your primary residence. Either she is lying to the banks or lying to us. No matter, we don't want to "negotiate" with a woman who has been deceitful with us (over other issues as well) so we believe we have the "power" so to say and are going to tell HER what we have decided to do. We will put the rent in an account that we will gladly hand over to her once her loan is modified. If it goes to short sale and we must move that money will be to cover moving expenses and the new security deposit. If she doesn't like it, she can start the eviction process but it will cost her money to toss us out and really serves her no purpose. I doubt it will come to that and we have been looking at homes since we moved here six months ago in anticipation of her short sale and there are MASIVE amounts of rentals where there is no concern over bad credit, evictions, short sales etc. Our credit scores have always been over 800 but we are not even worried about that. All landlords want is proof of income and some sort of longevity in rsceiving that income (we now have over a year). We'll see how it plays out. I'am sure she won't be happy with our decision but she'll never get renters in here at this point in the process.
Lynne
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Lynne:  What a nightmare for your family...and one I'm all too familiar with.  I do my best to advise clients who are considering a strategic default that the rental market is no picnic either.  If you need advice from someone in California, let me know and I'll connect you with a good resource.

6:43pm • #14
NOV
06
2011

we are deciding to either shortsale on an investment property in california.  we are not "evil landlords" and we want to be fair and open with our tenant.  They indicated that they would be moving in about 6 months, but now I'm thinking they are wanting to stay longer.  We would hope they would stay in until a short sale was completed or until they are ready to move, whichever came first.  As an incentive to stay, we were thinking of : 1.  return of all deposit at move out (no matter what condition the property is in), 2. Physical help with moving-(use of truck, trailer and hands), 3. a rebate of 1/2 of each months rent if they will stay until the shorsale agreement is complete and cooperate with showing the property.  They would still get 60 days notice to move.  the reason we are still collecting rent is because at the end of this deal we still may be obligated to a huge income tax bill.  we have currently lost all of the 20% equity we had in this property and are losing $800/mo as well. 

katie
3:29pm • #15
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07
2011
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Katie:  I certainly understand the dilemma.  If you need specific advice for your market, just email me and let me know where you live.  I'll be happy to connect with you a top notch Short Short Agent to help you out.  Virginia law doesn't do a bit of good to someone in your position in California.

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