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Historical Treasure in my Basement!

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Real Estate Agent with Julia B. Fee Sotheby's International Realty #30RO0980081

Of course, prior to writing this post, I could have called Michael Thornton in Nashville, Tennessee ,  or Charles Buell in Seattle, Washington, or Russel Ray in San Diego as we all know their expertise is simply without bounds...but I didn't and so tried to research something on my own....

When we bought our house in 1992, we were informed by our engineer, that we had a 1950s era hot water heater... but of good quality. Since we are from the school that if it works, why change it... we left it to run its life course. It has now been 19+ years, and our hot water heater still works beautifully. How come? It happens to be a Trageser hot water heater, and I researched its origins...

John Trageser, 1822-1888, was the Founder of Trageser Copper Works in New York City, was born in Alzenau, Bavaria. From seeking out old news articles, the company made hot water heaters, amongst other things, and I discovered some old posts on the internet such as the following:

"We just moved into a 1905 Brooklyn house and we will have to replace the good condition hot water heater - w/ the Trageser name in copper on it. Between the quality and family name, I thought maybe someone might actually want it, or part of it? Of course, it would be free; I just didn't want to throw it away w/out checking with someone first. We'll be replacing it soon." This post was written in 2005.... I sincerely hope that the gentleman didn't ‘give it away' especially if it was still working ...I found this other post also:

"Hello, I came to your site because we're restoring an old (original) 1895 Victorian house. One item we're looking for is the large copper hot water storage tank. This tank was close to and connected by pipe to the wood burning cookstove in the kitchen. It seems the heat from the stove would heat the water in the copper storage tank for many household uses. No gas or electricity was ever used. Help!" This post was also written in 2005.

I am so thankful that I had an excellent engineer who told us to keep our Trageser Heater until it breaks...I have had plumbers' eyes light up when they see it.... saying they would take it away for free to help us out.... when in fact they would sell the copper for a profit. I have never called those plumbers again.

I found this old ad (to the left) from the 60s with the notation "no down payment - $5 per month..." those were the days!

I also found on a sadder note that after the company was founded in 1850, formed into a family coporation in 1888, and upon the death of the husband, Mrs. Trageser became the President. She deeded the property on W. 26th street to the company, and divided her estate equally amongst the children (3 sisters and 2 brothers) in 1907 - the year of her death. The three daughters held fewer shares, 94 each, and the two brothers 193 and 194 each, and the court held that it wasn't in the President's power to set aside the deed of a family property to a corporation, and the three sisters lost the suit. Not an attorney, I cannot make an argument on this ruling, but I will mention that women first obtained the right to vote in 1920... and perhaps their rights beforehand were somewhat limited too!

All this history from one hot water heater! It doesn't have a date on it, but the company in the 1950s was located in Jamaica, New York... and that is where my searching has ended! I should note that my husband begged me not to write this post as he doesn't want a hex on the heater!

SO, the moral of this story is to research the mechanicals in your home before getting rid of them. As a Realtor, I have represented both buyers and sellers alike who have either demanded a new hot water heater or who have refused to replace one...based on the age and its working order. I think it all goes back to the condition of that hot water heater, and when it was made... Nowadays hot water heaters last anywhere from 10-15 years... and so buyers start negotiating on the older heaters...when they can be working beautifully. Perhaps as agents, this is where we can offer home warranties to the owners in the event a hot water heater breaks down either while on the market or in that first year after the house has been sold, which both covers the seller and the buyer at a fraction of the cost. Prices also vary greatly on new hot water heaters so research well if you are buying one.

Additionally, if you purchase well, you can be entitled to a Federal Tax Credit for Consumer Energy Efficiency products such as a hot water heater.

Houlihan Lawrence works with a Home Warranty company that offers such a service.

Whether you are buying or selling, I am here for all of your real estate needs!

NEW ROCHELLE is GREAT!

Posted by:  Gay E. Rosen

 

Fathom Realty Group Inc.
Fathom Realty Group Inc - Orange, CA
Get Paid what your WORTH!

How cool a vintage water heater.  Good post!

Feb 01, 2011 03:19 AM
David Companik
Keller Williams Realty - The Woodlands - The Woodlands, TX
Realtor ▪ The WoodlandsTX ▪ davidcompanik.com

Gay,

Thanks for sharing the interesting backstory behind your faithful water heater! There is a great deal of truth in the oft-uttered, "They don't make them like they used to." I've lived in 100-year-old houses and always found something to admire in the "old way" of constructing, equipping, and decorating homes.

Feb 01, 2011 03:22 AM
Brian Rugg
Rugg Realty LLC Sun City Texas 512-818-6700 - Georgetown, TX
Sun City TX Real Estate - Georgetown, TX Real Est

Hello Gay:

Interesting post and sounds like a great treasure hunt. The old stuff was built to last.  Hope you avoid the hex for your husband's sake.

Feb 01, 2011 03:28 AM
Patricia Feager, MBA, CRS, GRI,MRP
DFW FINE PROPERTIES - Flower Mound, TX
Selling Homes Changing Lives

Gay,

What a great story! Before I got to the end, I was already thinking about where could I get one of those. Sad ending to the family business, but a GREAT story! I think when it finally reaches the end of it's life, it should be a story submitted to Rippley's Believe it or Not or the very least donated to the Smithstonia Museum in D.C.!

Excellent post and fascinating story!

Feb 01, 2011 03:33 AM
Gay E. Rosen
Julia B. Fee Sotheby's International Realty - Larchmont, NY
As Real as Real Estate Gets!

Hi Mike: I have taken it for granted alas!  It works beautifully (crossing fingers)... LOL Gay

Feb 01, 2011 03:36 AM
Gay E. Rosen
Julia B. Fee Sotheby's International Realty - Larchmont, NY
As Real as Real Estate Gets!

HI Brian: It was interesting looking for the info.. I came across a family tree  too.  I am hoping too about that hex!  Best, Gay

Feb 01, 2011 03:37 AM
Gay E. Rosen
Julia B. Fee Sotheby's International Realty - Larchmont, NY
As Real as Real Estate Gets!

Hi Patricia: We recently had to change one of the fittings.... I was so worred 'that was it' but no.. honest chap and all is well!  Best, Gay

Feb 01, 2011 03:38 AM
Gay E. Rosen
Julia B. Fee Sotheby's International Realty - Larchmont, NY
As Real as Real Estate Gets!

Hi David: I have seen buyers jsut want to change everything simply because of its age.. not realizing there could be many more years left in the item... That is why - as a listing agent, I do not allow buyers to negotiate on older heaters...a small credit but not a new heater.. if it is warranted and as long as it is working..  Best, Gay

Feb 01, 2011 03:40 AM
Bob "RealMan" Timm
Ward County Notary Services - Minot, ND
Owner of Ward Co Notary Services retired RE Broker

Gay, thanks for sharing a very neat story and piece of history. I like the way the WH separated the questionable plumbers from the honest ones.

Feb 01, 2011 04:04 AM
Gay E. Rosen
Julia B. Fee Sotheby's International Realty - Larchmont, NY
As Real as Real Estate Gets!

Hi Bob: Thank you for commenting..  Thank you for being an Associate too.. Best, Gay

Feb 01, 2011 04:28 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Gay, thanks for the mention :)  I have seen a couple of those old heaters.  They literally could just about last forever and that is exactly why you won't find them anymore.  Sounds contradictory but the fact is that there is no money in things that last forever---it is the American way I am afraid.

Feb 01, 2011 07:16 AM
Gay E. Rosen
Julia B. Fee Sotheby's International Realty - Larchmont, NY
As Real as Real Estate Gets!

Hi Charles: We love ours... Best, Gay

Feb 01, 2011 10:09 AM
TeamCHI - Complete Home Inspections, Inc.
Complete Home Inspections, Inc. - Brentwood, TN
Home Inspectons - Nashville, TN area - 615.661.029

Wow! Interesting read. The copper tank is the reason the water heater is lasting so long. Nowadays, they use steel which rusts out. (built in obsolesce)... 

Feb 01, 2011 09:11 PM
Gay E. Rosen
Julia B. Fee Sotheby's International Realty - Larchmont, NY
As Real as Real Estate Gets!

Hi Michael ; It also runs beautifully when we have power shortages! Best, Gay

Feb 02, 2011 04:54 AM
Anonymous
Isaac

We bought our house a few months ago and was thinking of replacing the water heater with a tankless one.  A few hours ago I decided to taker a close look at the tank in order to extimate its age.  The only info I found was Trageser Copper Works.  Model CR 50 B, it is 50 gallon.  Thanks for the post Gay, I think I will hold on to tank for now.

Mar 25, 2013 04:11 PM
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Anonymous
Pat

I have a Trageser copper hot water heater, transferred with the 1905 house in 2001. I have the original flier that was attached to it (the tank is encased in insultation) and it is dated 1961! No problems but it may need to be replaced one of these days!

Aug 16, 2013 11:33 AM
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