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MMA Accounts and Are you REALLY Ready to Pay Down Your Mortgage?

There has been much discussion and hype associated with MMA Accounts over the last 12 months. The webinars tout how you can make huge commissions by selling the software and build a MLM downline to provide residual income. The websites are flashy, the PowerPoint presentations are slick and the idea of paying off your mortgage in 8-10 years sounds wonderful, right?

Well, maybe.  Ask yourself, "Would I rather have $500,000 in cash or a paid off mortgage?"

For the record, I watched the MMA presentation from U1st Financial twice this morning before writing this.

What I am about to present is not based on spreadsheets, amortization schedules, or algorithms, just some common sense mixed with 12 years in the mortgage business, 32 years in the workforce, 51 years on the planet, and a desire to stimulate people to think for themselves rather than to get wrapped up in hype. I don't need to have a finance degree to speak with confidence on the following points. This is going to be a bit long, but that's the way it goes.

I will leave what Kevin or what any other MMA advocate presents stand on its own because, mathematically speaking, it will work if adhered to in the strictest sense. OK, I said it. However, as a practical matter for MOST homeowners it doesn't make sense. In the course of my employment as a mortgage originator and team leader, I see about 10-15 credit reports and loan applications every day from homeowners wanting to refinance their mortgages for various reasons. We mainly target the A, A-, B credit demographic to give you a point of reference.

We even keep some pretty good statistics to help us define our target markets. The following is comprised of information from 4,245 refinance loan applications over last 2 years, 7 months, through July 2007.

  • Average mortgage loans-to-value 72%
  • Average loan size $273,647
  • Average amount of non-mortgage installment debt $31,437
  • Average amount of non-mortgage installment debt service $725 per month
  • Average amount of consumer revolving debt $15,379
  • Average amount of consumer debt service (min. pmt.) $619 per month
  • Average household gross income $107,844
  • Average total debt-to-income ratio 38%
  • Average mid FICO 712
  • Average age 35-40 bracket
  • Average NON-retirement cash position (regular checking/savings) $10,966
  • Average combined retirement savings (IRA, 401K, 403B, 457, etc.) $29,659
  • Average # of months since last refinance, 21 months
  • Average # of times they have refinanced (non-purchases) in last 7 years, 2.4 times
  • Average # of homes they have owned in the last 7 years, 1.5

If you are a mortgage professional, try to relate the above to your own clients. If you are a non-mortgage person, relate it to your own life experience. Does anything here just really scream out at you as being out of balance for a healthy financial picture?

How about the small amount of retirement savings? I don't think I am revealing anything too startling here, Americans are not saving NEARLY enough money towards their retirement, even though virtually everyone who owns a house has access to some type of deferred savings plan, right? Pretty much everyone can defer AT LEAST 15% of their gross monthly income, some people more than that.

How about the debt service? $1,645.00 per month is a TON of money, with much of going towards interest, not reducing the balances.

The vast majority of the homeowners who we see have too much consumer debt that they are not reducing and have too little retirement savings to which they are under contributing. Again mortgage/financial pros---Agree? Everyone else?

OK, I know this is long, but I had to set up the following questions that (In my opinion) should be asked of any homeowner BEFORE they consider the MMA, CMG or any other method of accelerating the principal reduction of their mortgage.

  • Do you have any revolving type of debt costing you compounding interest?
  • Do you REALLY have the discipline to remain debt free?
  • Are you contributing the maximums allowable by law or your employer to any type of deferred income/savings/retirement plans?
  • Regarding your investments, Do you understand the power of compounding interest and doubling (the Rule of 72?) Would you like to see how it works?
  • In 10 years, would you rather have $300,000 in retirement/savings/cash or a paid off house of the same value? (Assuming you are even in the same house)
  • If you are willing to spend $3000-$3,500 for the MMA, would you be willing to spend $350.00 to have a financial planner sit down with you for an objective look at the best way to achieve whatever goals you have?

Now, I don't think these questions are too far-fetched and don't deserve at least some consideration before jumping into an aggressive principal reduction plan. Actually, I think that aggressive mortgage principal reduction is a fantastic idea. Again, in my opinion, I don't believe that it should be the primary focus of a homeowner, jumping ahead of more conventional, tried & true methods of investing as a method of creating financial strength.

After this ramble, here is why I am dead set against these MMA programs offered through a MLM structure.

Harkening back to the last few years in the mortgage business when every used car salesman, cell phone salesman and baby-sitter jumped in for a quick buck selling 1% Option ARM loans, I fear that this product is becoming the next greatest fad being hyped by people that have no clue to helping people manage their finances. The Option ARM is a very useful too for some homeowners, but very few people understood it before they jumped in either selling it or buying it. The aftermath is wrecking the housing market as I write this. The MMA is being offered to and offered by people who have even a lesser understanding of current financial management or financial planning. And is it complicated? Well, you can make that judgment for yourself.

I take my role as a mortgage planner very seriously, and somehow I have survived through the ups and downs of this business without letting myself or team members get swayed, by pushing high profit/low suitability loans on our clients.

OK, thanks for indulging me on this rant. I have probably left out some important stuff, so sorry about that.

 

 
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7 Comments on $500,000 in cash vs. No Mortgage

47 views and nobody gives a ****?

Maybe I am a lousy writer, possibly a topic that no one is interested in, or ?

Seems like we see these posts hyping the MMA all over the place. Nobody has any questions?

Kevin Byrd, where are you?

09/20/2007 10:32 PM by Steve Jones (California Best Reverse Mortgages)


Simply put, ask a homeowner that OWNS and UNDERSTANDS the software what they think.  In all the negative rants regarding this particular program, I have yet to see any dissatisfied customers.  If you actually own the software, Let us know what YOU think of it!

09/23/2007 10:08 AM by J. Kach


The majority of homeowners who have this software in the US have owned it less than 1 year. In my opinion, that is hardly enough time to see if they will reap any real benefits from the software. It's a 'feel good" type of thing. They have not seen their ALOC/HELOC climb to a huge balance yet either.

In addition to this, my experience in the financial/mortgage business leads me to say that MOST of the people who purchase this software will discontinue the plan within 2-3 years because they will refinance their primary mortgage. When they refinance their primary mortgage, they almost always opt for a 25 year or 30 year amortization thereby resetting the 'clock" on the payoff schedule. All the hoped for benefits will be gone.

IS that a negative way to look at? Some may say that it is. However, past experience is the best predictor of future behavior...

 

 

09/24/2007 08:42 AM by Steve Jones (California Best Reverse Mortgages)


I agree with you on this. As a person who used to work for the credit card companies, the avergage person who has a windfall of money and pays everything off is usually back to their limits within one to two years. If you look at people that win the lottery you will see that 1/2 our bankrupt with in 5 years!

10/12/2007 10:48 AM by Todd Clark (Realtor), GRI (Washington Co, Beaverton Oregon) (Kastings & Associates, Beaverton Oregon Real Estate)


I think you're throwing the baby out with the bath water. In  your own words, "Options ARM's are a very useful tool for some homeowners.", yet they are also a reason we are in trouble in part due to their being missold. I couldn't agree more with this statement.

A difference I see is that UFirst does require training. not particularly difficult, but probablky more so then the amount of Neg Am training any of us were required to get. UFirst has also built in systems to get rid of the casual rep or the rabid MLMr. You also need to be licensed to orginate a loan, or give financial advice, and every client receives coaching from the corporate office.

Will there be abuses? Of course. But in the hands of a Financial Planner, CPA or Mortgage Professional, these can be powerful tools.

While I struggle with the MLM feel, I see less opportunity for abuse then with other opportunities. I guess for me the bottom line is am I more interested in building a downline or helping clients improve their financial situation?

12/05/2007 12:20 AM by Larry Morris, CMPS, Newberg Oregon (NW Lending Solutions)


I did some analysis of the system and the software.  It is not that complicated.   Actually the  complication in the system is only associated with the strategies that bring the least bang for the buck.   As the HELOC interest rate rises and approaches the benefits from t HELOC strategies are reduced to peanuts. 

www.amquix.info/mma_mlm.html

A seller wrote me and told my his MMA program beat my MMA simulator by 19 months. 

I found it interesting that a seller provided work-up of numbers had a net annual cash flow greater than the inbound cash flow. The program calculated $296 in discretionary income, yet applied $671 extra per month to the mortgage!

The HELOC was barely being used since the HELOC rate was higher than the mortgage rate.   The salesman had no clue how to do interest caclucaltions. 

www.amquix.info/mma_mlm_1.html

Scott Larsen

05/12/2008 02:19 AM by Scott Larsen


Paste the links above in your browser.  The links only point to the root domain page and not the pages on the MMA acount.

Scott Larsen

05/12/2008 02:21 AM by Scott Larsen


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