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Save a tree...do you really need all that paperwork?

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Mortgage and Lending with Bank of Oregon a division of Willamette Valley Bank

Save a tree...do you really need all that paperwork?

Seems that of late, I've run into a number of potential borrowers asking this, a lot!

How many times have I been asked "why do you need all pages of the tax returns. Won't the first two pages be enough?  It has everything you need!"   OR   "That's really stupid you need all pages of the bank statements....the balance is listed on the front"

 

Yes folks, if you are seeking a mortgage loan, your loan consultant WILL need all pages.  Even that pesky one that states "this page left intentionally blank", if applicable.

 

 

Why you ask?  It's really pretty simple.  You're asking a bank or mortgage company to probably lend you a pretty hefty chunk of change, right?  Well, if they need to analyze your tax returns as it pertains to your income, they need to see EVERYTHING as it pertains to your income, as to determine if that income is eligible for qualifying purposes.  I touched on the use of tax returns for mortgage qualifying, in a previous blog.  Not only are they looking for what types of income are eligible, they will also be on the lookout for things that aren't allowed.

 

In terms of bank statements, again, you may ask yourself "Why the need for all pages?"  Well, not only is the lender going to want to verify you have enough in your bank account to cover your down payment and closing costs, they also want to look at your banking "pattern", if you will.  Are there a lot of NSF fees?  That may indicate to an underwriter that there is some financial irresponsibility on the part of the individual seeking the loan.  We are finding that some investors are delving even DEEPER into those bank statements.  For instance, in the past, it was generally acceptable for the underwriter to ask the borrower to document any large, out of the ordinary deposits.  Outside of normal payroll deposits.  Why would they care?  Well, if there are large deposits, it could be an indication of maybe a recent cash loan the borrower secured.  Any new loan they incurred would need to be taken into consideration with regard to their monthly outgo of expenses.  Recently, we've learned that investors may possibly require that ANY deposit, outside of a payroll deposit, be explained.   For instance, I recently had to have some borrowers document and papertrail some very small non payroll deposits that were actually a result of them receiving some small refunds from their previous utility companies

Again, it's just an added notch in the ever tightening mortgage belt.  Borrowers need to remember, it's not their individual loan officer making what they may seem to think are unrealistic requests.  It's required in order for your loan to be saleable. 

 

 

Comments (11)

Greg Miller
Ruoff Home Mortgage - Sarasota, FL
Florida Home Loans - Conventional,FHA,USDA,VA

Well written post Karen. Unfortunately all the papers are a necessity. I don't think I have completed a loan yet, that at least once during the process I will state: " Sad that a good tree had to die for all this"

Feb 03, 2011 08:59 AM
Karen Burket
Bank of Oregon a division of Willamette Valley Bank - Medford, OR
Valley Mortgage Grou, Conventional, FHA, VA, mortgages

Thanks for your kind comments, Greg!  I appreciate you stopping by to read and comment.  :-)

I love your quote!  Yea, whatever happened to "paperless society"?

Feb 03, 2011 09:07 AM
Melissa Zavala
Broadpoint Properties - Escondido, CA
Broker, Escondido Real Estate, San Diego County

Paperwork is a necessity. Sometimes it is so tough to keep up with all of the different pages that you need.

Jul 18, 2011 10:04 AM
Gayle Rich-Boxman Fishhawk Lake Real Estate
John L Scott Market Center - Birkenfeld, OR
"Your Local Expert!" 503-739-3843

Karen, oh I feel your pain!  I had some clients who were mostly paying cash for their home, and had a small loan with my go-to loan guy, Shawn Baeschlin, with NW Mortgage here in Portland just hours from you! At one point this woman asked me if "they" thought she was the mafia and doing money-laundering or something!  Too funny, because first of all, it was an EASY LOAN (she had no idea what some go through) and 2ndly, she would be the LAST PERSON you would expect to say something like that or even think it!

But, experience does help and they had always paid CASH (woohoo!) for everything up til this point. They would be paying it off as soon as they sold their other home "in town" (they were buying out here at Fishhawk Lake and moving here fulltime), but needed to not lose out on this screamin' deal of a home, which happened to be located right next door to their daughter's vacation home.

It all worked out, on time and with absolutely no glitches, even the inspection was terrific. I had to keep gently reminding her how well it was going in comparison to others' transactions as well as what could have happened with this one.

 

Jul 18, 2011 10:11 AM
Robert Vegas Bob Swetz
Las Vegas, NV

Hello Karen and VB has written many posts over the years about wasted paper and saving trees. As you may know I am a tree hugger, and they are living things. All this paper from solicitors in the mail, from credit-card companies to every other wasted piece of mail. I really think there should be more done about this problem and thanks for the read ...

VB ;o)

PS - I like Gayle's comment and did VB get off the subject of your post?

Jul 18, 2011 10:17 AM
Karen Burket
Bank of Oregon a division of Willamette Valley Bank - Medford, OR
Valley Mortgage Grou, Conventional, FHA, VA, mortgages

Hi Gayle....it is frustrating on my end, believe me.  It's one of those "don't shoot the messenger" moments!  Glad your deal worked out.

 

Hey Bob!  I had to giggle when I saw that you made your comment to my "Planet of the Apes" referenced post!  lol  And agreed, there is so much other waste out there.  Unfortunately, in the lending world, all that documentation is needed in order to make sure the loan is saleable.  Thanks for taking the time to read and comment!  :) 

Jul 18, 2011 10:21 AM
Karen Burket
Bank of Oregon a division of Willamette Valley Bank - Medford, OR
Valley Mortgage Grou, Conventional, FHA, VA, mortgages

Hi Melissa!  DOCUMENT DOCUMENT DOCUMENT!  I had a deal recently where the borrowers only wanted to disclose "selected" parts of a home inspection.  Needless to say, that didn't fly!  lol   Thanks for your interest and have a great day! 

Jul 18, 2011 10:22 AM
Maygan Smith
Dennis Realty & Property Management, Spring Hill, FL - Spring Hill, FL

Great post. Thanks for sharing this info. As I am a new agent and I often wondered the same thing. WHY do they need to see EVERYTHING LOL....but now I understand. It's pretty simple!

Jul 18, 2011 11:24 AM
Karen Burket
Bank of Oregon a division of Willamette Valley Bank - Medford, OR
Valley Mortgage Grou, Conventional, FHA, VA, mortgages

Hi Maygan!  Glad you found the information helpful.  Hopefully now knowing this, you can ease your buyers minds and assure them that "no, the lender is not being unreasonable".  Thanks for your interest and I wish you much success! 

Jul 18, 2011 11:31 AM
Ed Gillespie
WealthWise Mortgage Planning, a Division of American Pacific Mortgage Corporation NMLS #1850 - Folsom, CA

Well done post, Karen!  Glad to know that I am not the only one being asked for documentations on small deposits!  suggest

Jul 18, 2011 12:00 PM
Karen Burket
Bank of Oregon a division of Willamette Valley Bank - Medford, OR
Valley Mortgage Grou, Conventional, FHA, VA, mortgages

Thank you Ed!  Your kind words are greatly appreciated, as is the suggest.  I feel like anymore we are becoming detectives when it comes to paperwork!  And no, you are not alone!  Wishing you great success in this crazy market!  All the best to you. 

Jul 18, 2011 12:02 PM