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So the neighbor has parties all the time... Should the seller disclose it?

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Real Estate Agent with Chris Alston (Keller Williams Realty, Silicon Valley, California) 01338415

DisclosureSo the neighbor has parties all the time, should the seller disclose it???

Well, I don't know about you, but if my neighbor had parties all the time, he better be inviting me there!!!

Okay, seriously... 

Your seller is looking over the disclosures, and is wondering if they should disclose the fact that one of their neighbors has parties all the time.  I mean ALL THE TIME...

Now they are afraid that if they tell a buyer, the buyer may walk...

So this brings to mind a few things.

First off, if you do not disclose the fact to the buyer, the will find out anyways...  Either when they are walking around the home inspecting it, or after they move in...  You know that the neighbor is either going to tell them that there is a "problem" neighbor, or that actual neighbor will invite them to one of their parties.

Second off, when a seller is selling their home, they should be disclosing anything that could affect the value or desirability in the eyes of the buyer.  This can also mean, the buyer should know about anything that could affect the value of the property for their intended use now and into the future.  So the fact that a nuisance could affect that aspect in the buyers eyes, means that it should be disclosed.

In California, a buyer has a statute of limitations that last 2 years when it comes to items that were not disclosed to them.  Now the seller must disclose all items to the buyer that are known to the seller or discovered during the escrow period.  The catch is that the 2 year time frame starts upon discovery...  Yup, discovery.  So 5 years could pass, then the buyer discovers something, this is the date upon which the 2 years starts.  So in theory, the limit can be limitless. 

So a good rule of thumb is...  If you think you should disclose something, then you are probably right!

Side note:  In the Silicon Valley and SF Peninsula area of California is where most new disclosures, laws, forms originate from.  So this may not be in your area, but it may be soon. 

Second Side note: In our area, we also ask the seller to disclose everything PRIOR to listing the property, so that all potential buyers view all the disclosures prior to writing any offer.  So if a buyer does not like something about the property, they know BEFORE the write the offer.  Therefore, when you get offers, you are getting them based on the fact that the buyer is okay with the condition of the property, and have read all the disclosures.  This shortens the buyer contingency period to about 3-5 days.  This does not include the loan contingency, which can be 14-17 days.  The seller posts these items along with the listing, so that buyers agents then download them, and show to buyers.

-Chris

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Comments(181)

Jacqueline Drake CRS
Jacqueline Drake Realty - Saint David, AZ
Southeast Arizona land, farms & horse properties

I have advised sellers to disclose everything even if it does not bother them a great deal. It is always possible that it the buyer could consider it a problem. In Arizona we have rattlesnakes and scorpions. If the seller lives in the desert they are probably around even if the seller hasn't seen them.I think the seller is at less risk if they disclose everything. Fortunately the majority of the properties I work with are 36 acres so a noisy neighbor is less likely to be a problem.

Jacqueline Drake CRS

Feb 04, 2011 02:47 PM
Pat Haddad, ABR, CRS, ePRO, GRI
Keller Williams Indianapolis Metro NE - Carmel, IN
Carmel, Fishers, Westfield IN Real Estate Expert

Bottom line is, it can just save everyone a lot of grief up front.  As you said, they WILL find out.  Better sooner than later!

Feb 04, 2011 03:42 PM
Sharon Parisi
United Real Estate Dallas - Dallas, TX
Dallas Homes

DISCLOSE EVERYTHING!  If a buyer knows everything upfront and still falls in love with a house, it is so much better than having an angry "ex-buyer" who found out something later in the process.  Worse yet, is the new homeowner, who was surprised by a defect, noise, or any other thing we haven't even thought of in these responses!

Feb 04, 2011 05:31 PM
Joy Carter & Jeff Booker Brother and Sister Team
Keller Williams Parkland/Coral Springs Realty-GreatFloridaHomes Team - Coral Springs, FL
Trust Your Family's Move To Our Expertise!

I've always dreaded this as an AGENT/OWNER.  My neighbors have an ANNUAL COMPANY HOLIDAY Party once a year that seems to NEVER END.

Actually they may be getting older, because this year, I think it ended at 1:30.

I know, it is ONCE A YEAR, so I must be Tolerant.

Hopefully by the time, I MOVE, they'll be old and the length of the party will be 11:00 pm  ;-)    Joy

 (Chris-I was AMAZED at your Disclosure Form - Ours is SEDATE, compared to yours!)

 

 

Feb 04, 2011 09:57 PM
Mike McCann Nebraska Land Broker
Mike McCann - Broker, Mach1 Realty Farm & Commercial Land Broker-Auctioneer Serving Nebraska - Kearney, NE
Farm & Commercial Property For Sale 308-627-3700

I am confused.  You are selling a home and you have to disclose what happens at someone else's home?

What is your definition of a party? Or anyone else's? My wife thinks if there are two cars at the neighbors they must be having a party. I think if there if there are two cars at the neighbors they have company.

I mean...I'm sorry your neighbors have 1 party a year and you think that is going to prevent your house from selling and wonder if it should be disclosed? Huh?

The comments here are all over the board and so are the various state disclosures, laws, broker requirements, and perceptions of what is right, wrong, or ethical...crazy crazy crazy.

And we wonder why the housing industry is in such a mess...the buying and selling public are so confused by the plethora of rules and regs...and then throw in the "professional" advice they receive from real estate agents and it is has them stupified.

I am blown away by the comments I read on Active Rain...not because they are right or wrong or I agree or disagree with them...it is just that they are all so different that the buying and selling public has no choice but to be confused because so are we!

Feb 05, 2011 04:16 AM
Chris Alston
Chris Alston (Keller Williams Realty, Silicon Valley, California) - Campbell, CA
Silicon Valley, California

#109 - So say the seller does sell the property and does not disclose this party...  THEN they try to sell the home to a new person, and the value is lower because of that fact...  Does it become material at that point?

Feb 05, 2011 03:30 PM
Chris Alston
Chris Alston (Keller Williams Realty, Silicon Valley, California) - Campbell, CA
Silicon Valley, California

Thanks for the comment Lisa!  It is interesting the diferences!

Feb 05, 2011 03:44 PM
Karen Baker
Sunset Beach and Beyond Realty - Sunset Beach, NC
Professional Help with Rapid Responses...
Can't go wrong with the truth! Disclosure is the best policy especially in the case of partying noisy neighbors ~ I hope they do plan to invite you Chris, you would be the life of their party;)
Feb 05, 2011 04:18 PM
Sylvie Stuart
Realty One Group Mountain Desert 928-600-2765 - Flagstaff, AZ
Home Buying, Home Selling and Investment - Flagsta

I agree, Disclose! It's always better to disclose up front than to wait and have them find out, later, which they will.

Feb 06, 2011 02:44 AM
Anonymous
Debby Singleton

Its not a material defect so I say no.   "Party" is in the eye of the beholder.   Buyers should always check out their potential neighborhood morning, noon and night to see what its like for traffic, noise, etc.   I think this one is on the Buyer.    Next they'll us to disclose barking dogs, noisy kids, where does it end?

Feb 06, 2011 06:21 AM
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Ric Mills
Keller Williams Southern Az - Tucson, AZ
Integrity, Honesty, and Vast Real Estate Knowledge

EASY.  If you know about it then DISCLOSE.  No to disclose leaves you open to a potential problem FOREVER.

Feb 06, 2011 07:59 AM
Chris Alston
Chris Alston (Keller Williams Realty, Silicon Valley, California) - Campbell, CA
Silicon Valley, California

Wanda - I soooo agree!

Feb 08, 2011 03:09 AM
Chris Alston
Chris Alston (Keller Williams Realty, Silicon Valley, California) - Campbell, CA
Silicon Valley, California

I agree with wanting to talk to the neighbor...  However do you think the buyer should be made aware that there could be something in the area that could disturb thier "dream?"

Feb 08, 2011 03:10 AM
Chris Alston
Chris Alston (Keller Williams Realty, Silicon Valley, California) - Campbell, CA
Silicon Valley, California

Judy - Using the word "material"...  Wouldn't you think that a disturbance is a material item that could affect the desirability in the mind of the buyer?  Just a thought.  :)  Thanks for stopping by!

Feb 08, 2011 03:11 AM
Chris Alston
Chris Alston (Keller Williams Realty, Silicon Valley, California) - Campbell, CA
Silicon Valley, California

Jan - Thanks for the comment!  If you just disclose it was a "party" not that it was big, or rowdy...  That could save you from a future lawsuit.  The truth is, there have been lawsuits filed, and the sellers have lost... 

This post is very interesting, as to the comments coming in.  :)

Feb 08, 2011 03:16 AM
Chris Alston
Chris Alston (Keller Williams Realty, Silicon Valley, California) - Campbell, CA
Silicon Valley, California

Ute - Wow, I sooooo agree!  Great comment, and I would have taken the same approach.  Good for you!  You never know if that one would have come back at cha later down the line.

Feb 08, 2011 03:21 AM
Chris Alston
Chris Alston (Keller Williams Realty, Silicon Valley, California) - Campbell, CA
Silicon Valley, California

Bill - I like your style!  Great comment, and I agree!  :)

Feb 08, 2011 03:22 AM
Chris Alston
Chris Alston (Keller Williams Realty, Silicon Valley, California) - Campbell, CA
Silicon Valley, California

Edith - Thanks for reading.  :) 

Feb 08, 2011 03:24 AM
Chris Alston
Chris Alston (Keller Williams Realty, Silicon Valley, California) - Campbell, CA
Silicon Valley, California

Thanks Julie!  :)

Feb 08, 2011 03:28 AM
DeeDee Riley
Lyon Real Estate - El Dorado Hills CA - El Dorado Hills, CA
Realtor - El Dorado Hills & the Surrounding Areas

Great post Chris!  Here in the Sacramento area we haven't adopted that concept of having the disclosures for the buyer to view before they write their offer.  I think that would actually be a good thing!!!

Mar 04, 2011 05:28 PM