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Flipping Properties in Washington

By
Managing Real Estate Broker with Riley Jackson Real Estate Inc.

  

Unbeknownst to many in our industry or the general public, the Washington Department of Labor and Industries slipped a bill about contractor registration into this year's legislative session that was approved and signed into law effective July 22nd, 2007.

Oddly enough, in an August 2007 information brief, the Department of Labor and Industries announces the "proposed bill" and invites the public to comment at a planned hearing on the "draft rules" in early November 2007. I can't wait to attend that meeting. I guess better late than never.

In case the reader is wondering what the hubbub on contractor registration is about, here is the language that will have far reaching implications for property owners, investors, communities and Realtors:

 Bill 1843, Sec.1. (1) "Contractor" includes any person, firm, corporation or other entity who, or which in the pursuit of an independent business undertakes to...construct, alter, repair, add to, subtract from, improve, develop, move, wreck or demolish a structure, project, development, or improvement attached to real estate or to any part thereof including the installation of carpeting...repair of roofing or siding, performing tree removal services, or cabinet or similar installation... "Contractor" also includes any person...who offer to sell their property without occupying or using the structures, projects, developments, or improvements for more than one year from the date the structure, project, development, or improvement was substantially completed or abandoned.

You can read the entire bill here.

What this means, is that an investor who purchases a run-down property with the goal to fix it up and then sell it (without residing in it for at least one year), will now have to be a licensed contractor with the state of Washington. By the way, according to the bill, the term "Contractor" also includes a person who, to do similar work on his own property , employs members of more than one trade. So an investor who hires tradesmen to remodel a fixer-upper would also need to have a contractor's license. Getting a contractor's license in Washington state is not as simple as getting a driver's license, or a Realtor's license. Among other requirements, an applicant must file for a surety bond, issued by an insurer in the sum of $12,000.

 Violation and non-compliance with these new rules will be investigated and fined. The director shall appoint compliance inspectors, who may inspect work sites and issue subpoenas.

I'm outraged that this bill would pass both the House and the Senate unanimously and completely under the radar of the public. What ever happened to due process, transparent regulating and letting stakeholders participate?

Where was the Realtor lobby and  Realtor Political Action Committee?

Property owner's rights are based on the core principles of this country: Ownership and Opportunity. Investors who "flip" properties see an opportunity and take a risk. They are often responsible for the revitalization of neighborhoods. They rehabilitate homes that might otherwise be eyesores, an invitation to vandalism and bring down the values of neighboring homes. If they are willing and skilled enough to do the work it takes to fix up a home, why should they be encumbered by unfair disadvantages that home owners who remodel their own residences don't have to endure? As a consequence of this bill, fewer homes in need of work will be bought, fixed and sold, impacting the real estate market, state excise taxes, property taxes, the community and the business of real estate professionals.

Sandy Nelson
Realtor for Olympia Area Real Estate
www.sandynelsonrealestate.com

 

Comments (19)

Larry Wright
nwRealty.Com - Tacoma, WA
This is news to me Sandy.  Please keep us posted on developments.  I'm curious why the language applying to investors got in there to begin with.  Must have been some case law involved.
Sep 20, 2007 04:37 PM
Sarah Nopp
South Sound, WA

Good points all Sandy.

As far as the REALTOR Political Action Commitee- that is money collected for the sole purpose of electing lawmakers who understand our platform and agree with us about our goals and visions.

Washington REALTORS has been working on softening the blow of this law for a long time, Many parts of the law are not new. In fact it was first written in the 60s.

But the closing of loopholes feels like an attack on the average joe.

As a matter of fact, I just wrote a post on this issue myself.

 

Sep 20, 2007 05:02 PM
Sandy Nelson
Riley Jackson Real Estate Inc. - Olympia, WA
your Olympia area Realtor

Larry, I don't know if there is enough opposition to get this law repealed. Right now I think it's just important to get the word out.

Sarah, The closing of loopholes on one end, severely infringes upon people's rights to do with their property as they please. I guess that's the delicate balancing act our legislature often has to perform when it's an issue of protecting the public, versus personal liberty. It is imperative that the public gets their input and that's where I feel they failed. This notice by the department of labor and industries is a joke, as the bill is a fait accompli.

 

 

Sep 21, 2007 02:26 AM
Dean Dretske
Tulsa, OK
I agree with you - our lobby was asleep at the switch.  I wrote an article on this subject on my blog as well - you can see it at http://www.deandretske.com/my-blog.asp?p=21
Sep 23, 2007 08:43 PM
Sandy Nelson
Riley Jackson Real Estate Inc. - Olympia, WA
your Olympia area Realtor

Dean, Thanks for your comments here. I read your article (thanks for the mention of my blog) and found myself even more appalled at this law when I consider the specific examples you've outlined. I'm surprised the press has not picked this issue up yet.

Sandy

Sep 25, 2007 02:19 AM
Anonymous
Jane Brooks - Investor/Developer
An hour ago my husband returned from the September REAPS meeting with this news. (I am currently in Alabama flipping two properties in my home town, but will be returning to Seattle with my profit to hopefully do some flipping in western WA.) This law is very new to me and I'm struggling to get my head around it. Please forgive me if I have an imperfect understanding, but...

What strikes me as awful about this law is that (as I read it) it creates obstacles even for ordinary homeowners who want to do "curb appeal" projects before selling their homes. A simple bathroom update or hardscape installation would easily meet the law's criteria by employing two or more tradespeople and costing more than $500. If these projects are done immediately prior to placing the house the house on the market, QED that homeowner has become a criminal.

It's possible, maybe, to debate that house flippers are a menace. However, I really appreciate your pointing out that flippers are often responsible for revitalizing neighborhoods. I would also add that the work I have done (and hope to continue) creates livable homes at the low end of the market, providing affordable and comfortable homes for people who would otherwise have to settle for ramshackle.

Thank you for bringing this up in the real estate agent community. Agents are my #1 ally in the work that I do - I couldn't do it without you. This law places significant obstacles to both of us. Please keep us posted as to what we can do as homeowners to change this law.

Thank you!
Jane
Sep 27, 2007 05:25 PM
#6
Anonymous
Vital Dave
Has anyone informed upper management of Home Depot & Lowes about this? What are their comments? Just think of the financial impact on them if your average homeowner (not to mention flipper) has just been banned from improving their home prior to sale ~ the do-it-yourselfer is a huge segment of these home 'improvement' stores.
Sep 28, 2007 04:35 AM
#7
Dean Dretske
Tulsa, OK
I also attended the REAPS meeting last night at wrote up my notes / impressions at http://www.deandretske.com/my-blog.asp.  I am encouraged that there are a more people aware and upset about this law!
Sep 28, 2007 08:31 AM
Sandy Nelson
Riley Jackson Real Estate Inc. - Olympia, WA
your Olympia area Realtor

Jane, Vital, Dean, Thanks for keeping on top of this. I heard that our Realtor lobbyists were aware of this bill, but understood the text to be an attempt at consumer protection by mitigating liability on substandard construction or remodeling. It was pretty clear to me even after the first reading of the text, that this is an assault on "home flippers" and I don't get the impression that the Department of Labor and Industry folks are even attempting to disguise it as anything else.

Sandy

Sep 30, 2007 03:59 AM
Kaushik Sirkar
Call Realty, Inc. - Chandler, AZ
Just a comment in general about flipping....it was easy when markets were appreciating by double digits every year (sometimes within a month).  But in a flat to down market?  Lots and lots of sweat equity is needed....
Sep 30, 2007 04:01 AM
Sandy Nelson
Riley Jackson Real Estate Inc. - Olympia, WA
your Olympia area Realtor

Kaushik, You're right about flipping in today's market.

Sandy

Sep 30, 2007 04:08 AM
Abe Do
Olympia, WA

I am a realtor and an investor who continues to flip properties in the "down" market.  Read the rules very carefully, there are many loopholes in the way they process these and the fines don't amount to as much as you'd think.

Getting a general contractors license isn't the end of the world either.  A surety bond is not as expensive as it sounds.  I have a journeyman electricians license that I reinstated for this specific law and am able to administer my license through a general contractor and own the home all at the same time.

Don't get me wrong I don't like the law either, however it is not the end of the world just as the down market is not the end of the world.  Adapt, be creative and you can play the game as good or better than they do to continue profits.

 

Oct 02, 2007 04:41 AM
Sandy Nelson
Riley Jackson Real Estate Inc. - Olympia, WA
your Olympia area Realtor

Ryan, Thanks for your encouraging account. For someone who habitually flips properties it is not the end of the world to get a contractor's license, but someone with a full time job, starting out with a real estate investment, might easily be deterred by the new regulations.

Sandy

Oct 02, 2007 03:22 PM
Harold Miller
Miller Home Inspection - Stanwood, WA
Certified Professional Home Inspector

I agree with Ryan. Getting a contractors license is not a big deal. It is way easier than a real estate agent getting their license. While my Structural Pest Inspector license requires a state exam, bonding, and errors and omissions insurance. When I was a contractor all I had to do was visit the local L&I Dept and register and they only needed proof of a bond. No test, no proof that you know what you are doing, here is your license.... (It is a less intrusive process than returning to the states through customs)  ;)

And really, this law probably changes very little. It makes the legislators feel that they have done something good. However who will be out checking for contractors' licenses to make sure that the individual is licensed when they are working on their own project? I think enforcement will be very difficult.

They have never been able to control unlicensed workers from calling themselves contractors and working on homes. It is up to the general public to perform due diligence when hiring a contractor. The state has a site where you can check a contractors status.

And one last word of advice to flippers. Before you "sugar coat" the interior and exterior of the home. Take a minute to see what the crawl space looks like. It amazes me how many thousands of dollars of work to the sub structure, plumbing, wiring, heating, drainage, is totally ignored in the crawl spaces. Instead cash has been poured into new tile,  hardwoods, drywall ,cabinets, etc.

My most recent inspection of a flip was last week. Everything looked pretty good until I crawled underneath. Then I found chaos. Shame of it is that they had just scabbed new sub floor over old rotten floors. And now all if it had to be pulled out. Many flips are on a tight budget in order to produce a profit, so things just get covered up.

I understand why the legislature passed the bill, there are alot of bad flips, and I see them regularly. But in the end it will not change anything. The people who are dishonest enough to cover up rotten floors, and conceal unsafe wiring, are the same ones that will continue to fly under the radar with no license. And they make a bad name for the guys doing a legitimate job.

Oct 25, 2007 01:42 AM
Sandy Nelson
Riley Jackson Real Estate Inc. - Olympia, WA
your Olympia area Realtor

Harold, I suppose you are right in that the new law will change little in practice. What outraged me about it most is that it feels like an invasion on my home owner rights. As long as I get an official permit, I should not be impeded with what I do to my own property. It shouldn't make a difference how long I live in it. It was good to get a home inspector's view on things. Poor contractor work, whether licensed or not, is hopefully caught by diligent home inspectors.

Sandy

Oct 25, 2007 02:18 AM
Harold Miller
Miller Home Inspection - Stanwood, WA
Certified Professional Home Inspector

Sandy

I totally agree with the home owner perspective. We certainly do not need the governement to tell us that we can't repair or replace items in our home. Like you say if a permit is pulled, homeowner completes the work, then is inspected by the AHJ, and signed off, that should be good enough.

I recently built a 26 X 40 shop on my property, which I performed the entire electrical installation. During the electrical permit process I noticed that L&I requires a homeowner to sign that they will not sell the property within a specified period of time. Signing this statement is only required when the homeowner is the one doing the electrical work.  (I think the time period is 1 1/2 years) L&I was happy with my work, and Finaled it with no punch list.

I am never certain why the legislature wastes time on things like this.

It is a very good topic for discussion though. Thanks for blogging about it.

Oct 25, 2007 03:00 AM
Anonymous
Tony

Anyone have any updates on this topic?

Dec 30, 2009 08:36 AM
#17
Anonymous
Joseph Risenhoover

My question is this I have lived in a house for almost 8 years putting everything we have into our home now that it is time to buy it how much of our sweat equity counts DOES it count against the purchace price of the house??

I May be handicapped but I am not stupid and we are being treated as such

I expected to die in this house and now we are having to fight to buy it HELP PLEASE

Mar 22, 2010 07:50 AM
#18
Sandy Nelson
Riley Jackson Real Estate Inc. - Olympia, WA
your Olympia area Realtor

Joseph,

I hope I understand your situation correctly. Are you in a situation where you're currently renting a home in which you invested time and money to improve it, and now the owner agrees to sell it to you, but won't take into account the improvements you've made?

It would be helpful to know what kind of improvement you've put in the home, what your rental contract says about added improvement, and what kind of an agreement you've made with the seller at the time you put in the improvements. Are you being represented by an agent in the purchase of this home, or by an attorney?

 

Mar 23, 2010 03:36 AM