Recently I attended a "Real Estate Investors Seminar"

It was quite hokey, and was really just sales pitch with a lot of pump up, and very little information to try and grab your attention to get you to pay for their ridiculously priced advanced training and "Mentor program". From the beginning I could tell it was just a sales pitch, but thought that it might actually have some substance to it. Being an experienced real estate agent and investor this was not for me, but it might be good for some people who want to get into real estate investing.

A few days later, as a Realtor, I got a call from a guy claiming to be getting into real estate investing. He was going to be having his "Mentor" from out of town meet him to help him do some real estate investing. Naturally, I was curious of what he had to say, especially being that I'd just attended that seminar.

He had me send him a list of properties that I thought had some investment potential. So I did. A few days later he calls me back and says he'd like to meet me at my office to write up a few offers on some of these places.... At this point I had not shown them any houses.

So the investor and his "mentor" from out of town meet me at my office. I thought they wanted to perhaps talk to me about a few of the properties as a local real estate expert, and find out the real skinny on what they may be able to realistically get the properties for, and then set up a time to  see the properties. I do this with investors all the time. Instead they had 20 pre-written "letters of intent to purchase" for me to present to listing agents. This would be exciting for any real estate agent, but these offers were atleast half the value of the asking price. Most of these properties were owner occupied properties where the owner still lived in the property!

This strategy might work in Cleveland Ohio, but our market is still appreciating here. The average home sells for 99% of the listed price.

I feel bad for my new "real estate investors" who might actually be led to believe they can successfully invest in this manner. What kind of business is this real estate investor mentor trying to pull off, and can this method actually be successful? Why would somebody trust someone who has never been to, and has very limited knowledge of an individual market as a real estate mentor? I'd love to hear some comments on this one... Any one else ever dealt with so called "real estate investor" programs like this.....

 

29 Comments on Real Estate Investors or Real Estate Scams???

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2007
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I had a listing in which one of these investors made an offer.  The offer was not ridiculously low, but the other terms were outrageous. It was a land contract deal, and the buyer wanted to put 15 thousand down.  They broke it down like this:

$3000 for Rent Prorations, Deposits, and Repairs

$7,000 Cash from Buyer

and  &5,000 credit for NO BUYERS AGENT!

 

Thank God I had a sensible seller... he told the guy to get bent! 

 

6:29pm • #1
Good info and happy to see your area is still climbing. Will check back after a few months and see if its still going.
6:47pm • #2
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Wow- sad seminar.  We attended real estate investor meeting (real ones), and while interesting, didn't cultivate any relationships.  But, it was free.  The investors were concerned about laws that would permit sellers to sue (NY law) within a few years of purchase if they felt "taken".  So, they were reluctant to "invest"- but we learned about the odd little newly- enacted- under- the- radar law.  Could be priceless!
6:50pm • #3
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Alan,

There are tons of these real estate investor camps and a vast majority are nothing but money makers for the organizers. They sell books and tapes and mentoring programs etc. which are basically junk. Anyone thinking about signing for one of these should be really careful. These pre-written letters will not find many takers.

7:02pm • #4

We have had those seminars in our city and most of the people that attend are from completely different markets.  The course is taught through the week and on the Friday they are told to find an agent who will show them properties (this seems to be part of the program that they pay for - wish they would pay for our time).  I was suckered once to work with these people and now I don't even offer to help them out.  They are always easy to spot because they will ask the exact same three questions:

1. Are you comfortable putting in low priced offers?

2. Are you familiar with Vendor take back mortgages?

3. Do you own any investment property?

They ask the same questions and in the same order.  They all stay at the exact same hotel and all want to see property on the same day (usually a Friday).  They all call several weeks before attending the seminar to ask if you are available.  When you ask them if they are taking a seminar they lie and say that they are in town on business.  If they were upfront and honest about the whole thing it would be different but they usually are not and I am sure that they are told to use Realtors to learn the ropes of investing.  This seminar is part of an ongoing program that I believe that they pay $1000's for.  Wonder who really get's rich??

7:09pm • #5
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One day,we had one of these fax us an offer..less than 50% of asking price on every listing we had(which was about 200 properties)I had my broker call them and tell them to knock it off....they can not use all of our ink and paper and tie up the fax machine....drive over and drop them off.Just crazy!
8:05pm • #6
167,500 Points 7 Featured Posts Outside Blog
We are seeing tons of this out here in California...
9:12pm • #7
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2007
132,835 Points Outside Blog
i see these types of programs on tv each day.  i do respect your cander for at least meeting with them again.  i would of taken a picture of these guys for my funny file.  the stories we come up with.
5:39am • #8
A friend of mine saw one of these seminars on TV.  Bought the book, was all pumped up...but again, like above...the "system" would probably only work someplace urban...not in the Poconos!
5:50am • #9
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Hi Alan - like you, I had a meeting with a buyer and his 'mentor', and my meeting went exactly as yours did.  I took that same 'preliminary' course as you did, and all I could see was the owner and instructors of that course being the ones making money. 

I don't think my 'investor's' mentor cared too much for me.  I saw right through that hokey crap he was talking, and very tactfully shared with them how things are really done in this area.  I got those same silly letters, presented a few of them to show them that that method and those tactics and terms just would not work here at that time, and then got the actual investor to meet me to draw up a legitimate offer on a property that he did end up being able to buy.

Those courses, while there may be some nuggets buried here and there about investing in real estate, make no one but the course owner any money.  All those people forking over those thousands of dollars for the books, tapes, more courses and 'mentors' - I feel badly for those people.  I'm sure those methods work somewhere, but where that is I don't know.  It certainly isn't up here.

Ann

5:59am • #10
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I agree with Ann, there are so many people going to these seminars, looking for a way to get ahead and the only one making money is the owner. I don't waste my time with these 'investors'....you're not going to get sellers in my area to go along with it.
7:16am • #11
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I hate it when they come to town.

Every wannabe investor with $500 left in their pocket wants to buy properties with zero down and cash back.

I shudder when the phone rings.

8:15am • #12
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That's too bad. But, if a buyer/investor puts in enough crazy offers ONE will stick. That being said, who can blame them? Most get discouraged after a few NOs & move on. Many others keep putting in hundreds of offers until one works.

Our market is really close to being a cash flow market again on SFH so the investors are patiently awaiting its return.

Sure, it's annoying to present these offers to our sellers but sometimes they take an offer when you really didn't think they would (I mean if I knew they would go THAT low we'd have been listed lower or I would have bought the house MYSELF).

 

9:27am • #13
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A few years ago there was a guy hawking a book "How I Made $1,000,000 In Real Estate In 100 Days" (or something like that. The last I heard of him (about two years later) the IRS was chasing him for Tax Evasion...seems he had only reported $75,000 of the socalled 1,000,000.
9:34am • #14
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One of the programs (name is escaping me, but they call it a University) actually had rented exotic cars for the "superstar" former students to show up in so that they looked like they were ultra successful.  
9:54am • #15
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There are so many "get rich quick schemes" out there. Many rely on getting homes for pennies on the dollar and there have been some sales like this. They love to tell you how Joe Blow got a $100,000 house for $45,000,etc, etc. And the truth is, if you make hundreds and hundres of offers, you will find another great dael out there. They just wear out the realtors doing all the paperwork.
10:07am • #16
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I always hate to see one of these real estate "investment" seminars come to town because I know I'll be spending the next week or so fending off calls from wannabe real estate millionaires looking for the deal of the centure......... and oh yeah, no money down, half price, big cash flow.

I usually refer them to a competitor down the street. ;-)

10:10am • #17
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We have the same thing going on here. Just to many lemmings trying to make a quick buck and get a free lunch. I love the call that starts out;"I just got done wathing this video I bought and..." I still listen. Maybe I will learn something from one of them someday or, at least a t-shirt.

 I do not represent any buyer who's scheme involves 5 at at a time, with $1 earnest money deposits and offers that require a 14 page letter to explain how their  "scheme" works . Now, if one of them makes an offer through another agent. I present it. Most I would not advise a client to consider. Presented none the less.

Most will go away soon. Some will hang out in AR, giving "investment advice" to anyone who will listen. They will be Writing about their "real estate investment career" from thier rented studio apartment  that is making their landlord, A guy who bought right, had a substantial down (From hard work) and good representation, very wealthy. ;)

Have a great day. Thanks for the post Alan!

10:28am • #18

Hokey seminars for agents?  Never heard of them!  LOL.  Seriously though..

Like the previous commenter said, it all comes down to "Are you comfortable putting in low priced offers?"  That is an obvious strategy of many (inexperienced) investors.  That would be my major concern.  How do I look to the listing agent?  You may want to call each agent before you send the offer and let them know that you represent an investor who does not intend to offend with his initial offer.  Let them know that he is merely starting the negotiation process.  Let them know that (as another commenter said) you are not sending offers to tie up the fax machine and/or waste ink and paper.  Let them know that you have a serious Buyer who has money to spend if the price is right.  :)

11:43am • #19
These investment seminars are great because they focus so much on using "Nothing down", and "other peoples money" because they flat out know that most of the people attending them don't have anything to invest.... The people attending these things are looking to get rich quick, not use solid investment principles.
Logan
11:44am • #20
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I saw a lot of this in the mid-1990s, and am starting to see it again.  You have to feel sorry for the poor "investors" that pay money for these seminars, books and tapes, then go out and bother real estate agents.  They are usually pretty sincere, and believe the horsepucky that they paid for. 
12:19pm • #21
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Good lesson here, Not just for the real estate investor seminar people but for all seminar speakers.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, If you are going to offer a seminar, give some value to the people that have taken time to attend. They have better things to do rather than spend three hours listening to you sell a product or service.

I dont have a problem with people sellling their services, but if I am going to spend hours to be at your event. AT LEAST GIVE ME SOMETHING OF VALUE, that I can take with me without haveing to pay $500.00 for.

 

Brett Noel / Motivation Speaker/Trainer / "Creating Millionaires one agent at a time"

www.Brettnoel.com 

 

12:25pm • #22
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That these 'seminars' still continue to draw an audience indicates that the public is interested in real estate and investing. An agent or lender who can present a realistic and honest program may be able to develop some good business from this.
12:35pm • #23
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I just conducted an Investors Workshop on Pre-Foreclosure and Short Sales.  We had over 50 attendees.  We gave good solid education to help them actually put into practice the things we taught.

What did we charge? $3,000? $2,000? $1,000?  No, we charged $10 bucks because we had to rent some chairs.

Would be investors need to quickly learn that one doesn't have to spend $1,000's of dolllars to learn how to invest in real estate.

12:45pm • #24
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Great post - thank you for sharing it with the Active Rain community.

Keep'em coming!

12:48pm • #25
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2007
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Alan I can always tell when one of these seminars hits because I get the calls "will they do a lease option?" and "I would like to make an offer of xxx vebally" normally at about half of listed price.
4:55am • #26
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2007
And for what it is worth, you gotta be real careful dealing with these people that want to do all this creative financing to get cash at the closing table.  Too much 'cash back' is loan fraud. 
1:33am • #27
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2007
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There are a lot of these so called "mentors" out there selling there services all over the country for thousands of dollars and monthly fees.  It is amazing what people will pay to try and get rich quick.  If this guy wants to invest, he needs to at least target properties and sellers that indicate some sort of motivation or distress.
8:51pm • #28
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I am a Realtor, Investor and Mentor.  I teach correct laws and principles in investing.  You can make money in investing.  It takes time, Money and hard work.  I have made over a million dollars on an investmet apartment over the past 30 years.  I have doubled the value of my home.  I have helped hundreds of others to be good investors.  Carl

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