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Selling Above What You Paid For It | Aversion for Selling at A Loss | Decision Time For Sellers

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I just finished reading several well written real estate articles that explored a reality check for home sellers.  It was quite informative, and compared other periods of peaks in the real estate market in the late 1980's and draws some comparisons to our current situations.  It seems as though a mathematician could easily dispense solutions for homeowners.  The problem is the reluctance of the homeowner to embrace the economist approach.  We also were talking to some friends and relatives that live in several markets across the USA...unbeknownst to us, they have had homes and real estate properties on the market for sometime without showings or offers.  After several steep price reductions there is still no traffic or offers.  When questioned why they did not cut the price further (even though they had purchased the properties at the right price and they would still make a profit)...they refused.  It seems as though they had some invisible line in the sand drawn that they would not pass.  So let's discuss some of the issues that comprise  A Reality Check for Seller's

Over the years we've seen many clients tell us they have their limits in pricing also. If an offer came in below that price, they would refuse it.  They share they would rather keep the home, rent it, or burn it than give it away!  Those are strong words and sentiments for sure.  I think for many veterans in real estate that a sale is more objective than subjective.  For myself it is more like making a decision to get from A to B!  Once the decision is made, then a plan has to be formed to figure out the best plan to get there.  I look at minimizing a loss, and making it up on the other end.  How can I make up the loss?

The biggest mistake most home sellers will make is to believe they can save more money by selling it themselves as a sale by owner, or getting an agent to list the home for a greatly reduced commission.  What they just did was make a fatal mistake.  They just placed their listing in the hands of someone that will do nothing to sell their home.  A real estate kiss of death! A sale is not made by placing a home as an MLS listing..that is passive and not proactive.  A sale begins with hiring someone that has the ability and experience to guide them through the sale of their home, and accomplish the task!  It is not about listing, it is about selling!  Otherwise they will sit on the market forever without selling.  And sit, and sit some more.  That is what happens when markets change.  In the late 1980's in Boston prices rose quickly and fell.  From 1989 to 1992 prices in Boston condos fell over 40 %...  yet some homes sold!  Why?  Could it be that some home-sellers faced the reality while others just denied it?  Those that bit the bullet of reality sold, while those in denial watched as their home prices kept falling over time.  When we read statistics from some markets they will report that sales from last month were only off 2%, but in the bigger picture is how much are sales units off from the same time period a few years before.  If we compare peaks of markets and units sold what we may find is that from June of 2004 to June of 2007 units sold may have dropped by almost 50%.  Some agents make the fatal mistake of looking at the rising medium price as opposed to units sold.  In one market where I am licensed, a comparison of markets shows an erosion from 2000 units a month sold in June of 04' to about 1000 units a month sold in  June of 07'.  If we are agents of the buyers and sellers we have to be giving our clients the right information.  Telling the truth is never easy, but you will make more sales if your sellers are able to embrace the same vision you are sharing!  The phrase "Are you seeing what I'm seeing?" has to be a fluid dialogue that you are having with your seller clients.  If not, you are just wasting their time, or they are wasting yours!  They have an option to sell now if they want, or no regrets later.

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James Crawford Broker Associate

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Kaushik Sirkar
Call Realty, Inc. - Chandler, AZ
People don't want to lose their money.  But in a down market, a loss on their current home may translate to a big discount on their move up home...people don't necessarily grasp this concept...
Sep 23, 2007 12:36 PM
Bill Roberts
Brooks and Dunphy Real Estate - Oceanside, CA
"Baby Boomer" Retirement Planner

Jim, I appreciate your answer, but you might consider making it a post. It is almost that already. I would still like to see higher standards for real estate licensees.

Bill Roberts

Sep 23, 2007 12:45 PM
Rita Taylor
None - Sanford, NC
Sanford NC Real Estate - Homes for Sale in Sanford North Carolina

Jim,

We have all seen that line in the sand.  It took me a year to figure out that taking an overpriced listing is just a waste of everyone's time.  If a listing prospect refuses to see the reality of the market then the home is unlikely to sell.  It does no good to draw a line in the sand above the high tide mark and then wait for the tide to come in!

Sep 23, 2007 01:38 PM
Jim Crawford
Long & Foster - Fredericksburg, VA
Jim Crawford Broker Associate Fredericksburg VA

Lisa Hill  I agree the line in the sand will eventually move, but on whose watch?  In the early 90's I found we had a lot of success with expired listings after they were on the market at least 3 times.  Seller's at that point had thrown the towel in and were willing to listen to an expert.  They finally conceded they did not have the answer, and were willing to become teachable.

Bill Roberts I will consider that!  I think I have made a lot of attempts at trying to make agents accountable.  Part timers, wannabees are not high on my list. 

Rita Taylor  Thanks for sharing that!  One of the relatives we spoke to this past weekend told us of an agent that had their home listed for 8 months came over and handed them their keys.  The top producing agent told them she had done everything possible to sell their home, and could not.  Price, improvements, ads, open houses etc...are not working. She asked one more time if they would lower the price again, and they said no!   So she fired them.   They listed with another agent that told them what they wanted to hear, and are on the market now for another year, with no shows.  The first agent had the common sense to move on!  The second one was an idiot for taking the listing and demanding nothing of the sellers.  Even the sellers acknowledge that!

 

Sep 23, 2007 01:57 PM
Josette Skilling
Keller Williams Capital Properties - Bethesda, MD

I think we are hijacking this post!  Higher standards for licensees....  Hmmm... like maybe an apprenticeship program or more than 15 hours per year to maintain a license?  Or higher barriers to entry like more than 10 days to get a license?  I still remember sitting in my class about day 5 saying "what exactly is protecting the unsuspecting public from me?"  After this very brief period of time where I learned many things I actually consider important, though I learned absolutely nothing about my job, I realized we have a very serious problem in the industry that the states should be much more proactive about.  Our economy is so real estate based that the work we are currently doing is simply too vital to leave it to someone who took a 10 day course and then hung a license with someone for the lowest fee possible and zero barriers to entry.

And the Atlanta market is a very broad example of that to its long term detriment.  I've read the national press on the widespread devaluing of property and even if half of what they say is true, no, it won't recover for a very long time.  There are neighborhoods here where I can track problems due to Realtors who had little or no knowledge of what they were doing and the result is 1/3 of the properties owned by the banks and tanking values.  All the parties to the transaction were at fault but I see every day how much influence I have and place a very high value on being as just and fair as I can be.  By everyone ignoring that in the past we now have so many areas where the Realtors are complaining about the bad market, the very one they helped create!

I'm also realistic to the fact that it's just not likely to change.

 

Sep 23, 2007 02:34 PM
Paula Henry
Home to Indy Team @ HomeSmart Realty Group - Avon, IN
Realtor - Indianapolis Real Estate - 317-605-4174

Jim - Those who draw a line in the sand and price too high to begin with usually end up chasing the market down. This is where they lose the largest percentage of money.

It is difficult today with the negative press and the inuendos by the media. I read a local comment the other day about agents accepting the blame for the market we are in. In fact, Indianapolis is not a bad market, except the news would have you think it is. The people who buy now will be happy they did in a few years. That goes for sellers too. If they sell now, they will more than make up the loss with their purchase.

Sep 23, 2007 02:45 PM
Jim Crawford
Long & Foster - Fredericksburg, VA
Jim Crawford Broker Associate Fredericksburg VA

Josette Skilling I was in Silver Spring Maryland this time last week.  My son had an apartment up in the area,  He had graduated in May, and with a college degree in chemistry he could not obtain a job.  In spite of hearing the DC area was doing great job wise, he would go on job fairs and find himself competing with over 3500 others for a limited number of jobs.  I think there is a lot of things occurring right now, and a lot of what we read in the press is either hype about shoring up the markets,   I am licensed in VA, and kept watching the stats up there.  They do not look much better than here, the only difference it that your prices are much higher. 

I do think it takes experience to cut through a lot of the issues and go right to the core of the issues.  I do not see the states changing anything about license requirement other than adding a few hours or beefing up the continuing education credits.  I think brokers have a bigger responsibility than most to correct this.  In the past few years many of he brokers have prostituted the profession not demanding anything of the agents, and shirking responsibility by not demanding accountability!

Sep 23, 2007 02:49 PM
Jim Crawford
Long & Foster - Fredericksburg, VA
Jim Crawford Broker Associate Fredericksburg VA
Paula Henry  I agree fully!  "Those who draw a line in the sand and price too high to begin with usually end up chasing the market down. This is where they lose the largest percentage of money.'  But is the press really negative?  It makes me uncomfortable to read a lot of it, but I don't think they are really getting any of it at all!  I think there are some good buys, and a lot of overpriced properties.  If priced correctly they will all sell.  Very few in this market will lose anything!  We were never a strong appreciating market.  The agents that are pricing as if it is, well their listings are just sitting!  Their loss for not looking at the facts!
Sep 23, 2007 02:57 PM
Ana Connell
G & C Properties - Burbank, CA
Burbank Real Estate Agent
Great Post Jim!  I could not agree with you more and I think that many, both agents and sellers are stuck in the "old days" where anything would sell!  Now it's harder and there's work involved!
Sep 23, 2007 05:24 PM
Jim Crawford
Long & Foster - Fredericksburg, VA
Jim Crawford Broker Associate Fredericksburg VA
Ana Connell  I think we have to get the sellers to think, listen and reason with an open mind.  Then we have a chance!
Sep 24, 2007 01:16 AM
Irene Morales Ward
REMAX Distinctive Real Estate, Inc. - Stafford, VA
Realtor - e-Pro - Northern Virginia Real Estate

Jim - great post! And for the record, you are correct about the Northern Virginia Transportation Bill (HB 3202) and the increase in the Grantor's Tax from $.10 per $100 to $.50 per $100.  In a time when sellers are struggling in this slowing market, this bill is leaving many of the localities affected fuming mad! 

In regard to your post, I've found that it's not enough to show comps.  Compelling data with regard to absorption rates has proven to be a very valuable tool during my listing presentations.  The proof is in the pudding.  If only 100 homes have sold in a particular price range and area within the last 6 months and there are 200 homes currently on the market, the picture is BLEAK...a 12 month absorption rate. 

After giving this information if I'm met with, "Well, I put a lot of money into this house over the last 3 years and I need $XXX,XXX to move to my next house. I will list it for $(INSERT INSANE AMOUNT HERE) and I want it in 3 months!" I am only too happy to say, "Well, then, I don't think I will be of any help." 

Sep 24, 2007 06:11 PM
Jim Crawford
Long & Foster - Fredericksburg, VA
Jim Crawford Broker Associate Fredericksburg VA

Irene Morales Ward  I think that is a very reasonable and very professional approach! There is no sense to waste their time or yours.  As far as a listing periods, I will not take any listing less than 6 months in this market.  I will not do any 90 day listings. 

That is insane!  That is a 500% increase in tax! That is the last thing sellers or real estate needs! That is punitive and will work against a market recovery!  I am surprised that no one in Virginia is fighting that increase. A $500 Grantor Tax on a $500,000 home will now be $2500.  Governments got used to the income from the boom times, now they cannot ween themselves off their crack addiction.  In Prince William County it is assessments that are greater than the properties worth.  That translates into higher than market taxes to fund anticipated growth based on high flying markets that have stalled and are dropping.  Unfortunately, that still does not change things!

Sep 25, 2007 01:12 AM
Irene Morales Ward
REMAX Distinctive Real Estate, Inc. - Stafford, VA
Realtor - e-Pro - Northern Virginia Real Estate

Jim - I'm with you on listing periods.  If the seller isn't motivated enough to give me appropriate TIME to market their home effectively, then I know they aren't motivated.

As for the tax increase, yes, it's definitely ludicrous.  There is a great site (which I think I will blog about) with an organized online petition to this bill.  There are plenty of online petitions but I don't know that status as of today.  I think I'll spend today researching it because you're absolutely right, this is a catastrophic mistake in a downturning market and it's going to only hurt the overall economy here.

Sep 25, 2007 03:53 AM
Jim Crawford
Long & Foster - Fredericksburg, VA
Jim Crawford Broker Associate Fredericksburg VA
Irene Morales Ward  Thanks for sharing Irene.  That is not a tax increase, that is a death knoll!  That is beyond all measure or restraint.  Realtor Boards need to be taking a very active part in getting this repealled.  It hurts already burdened sellers.
Sep 25, 2007 04:04 AM
Bill Stanley
ERA The Good Broker - Woodstock, GA

While I agree in principle with your statements about pricing and condition, I must disagree with your comments about "They just placed their listing in the hands of someone that will do nothing to sell their home.  A real estate kiss of death!" when you refer to Brokers that take reduced fee listings. 

That is a self-serving unsubstantiated statement with no statistical facts to back up such a broad-sweeping indictment of your competitors. The simple truth is that an overpriced listing will NEVER sell regardless of the exposure by any Company or individual agent. With over 100,000 homes for sale in the Atlanta market, it becomes painfully obvious that a reality check is in order for sellers and one of those realities is that, regardless of the market, over 90 % of the sales are accomplished by an Agent with a buyer "in tow"! Proper presentation on the MLS systems here in Atlanta combined with a reasonable price and a good photo tour of a home in good condition will increase the odds of getting a home sold regardless of the listing fee paid to ANY Broker or Agent! I have heard this argument presented as a "statement of fact" since I was first licenced in 1971 without any merit whatsoever then or now.

Dec 02, 2007 01:01 AM
Jim Crawford
Long & Foster - Fredericksburg, VA
Jim Crawford Broker Associate Fredericksburg VA

I stick to my statements!  It is the difference between selling in a hot and trying to sell in a cold market!  One..passive marketing will work, the other a slower market you need more proactive marketing approach!  As far as selling above list price?  It happened a lot in the last few years!

"A sale begins with hiring someone that has the ability and experience to guide them through the sale of their home, and accomplish the task!  It is not about listing, it is about selling!  Otherwise they will sit on the market forever without selling."

Selling at a reasonable price, mean an agent does not have the same3 abilities a great agent could have by selling a home at a better price... After all, it isn't our money, it is the seller's.

Dec 02, 2007 03:36 AM
Jesse Clifton
Jesse Clifton & Associates - Fairbanks, AK

Jim: Another great post. In general there is a serious disconnect between what sellers hope and wish to net and what the market will support. Sellers are happy to take advantage of a strong bull market but when it plateaus and begins to soften, they still hold out hope of making a life changing profit on the property.

There was a time I let sellers exert significant influence over price.  I learned very quickly that was a losing strategy. Now I tell sellers, in a subtle way, to get on board or they lose the opportunity to have me represent them.  I'm the expert in the room; I'm one with the credentials, the training, the experience.  I'm paid very well for what I do, but I do not work with people who refuse to accept my advice.

I also want to comment on Bill's "proper presentation on the MLS systems..."comment.  Part of what we get paid for is positioning a clients property in the market; the MLS is but one component. That takes capital to do effectively; capital most discount brokers don't have when they charge a $250 fee.  The other component is being there to move the property from contract to closing, which the discount brokers in our area leave the sellers to figure out.  Definitely the real estate kiss of death.

Dec 03, 2007 05:38 PM
Jim Crawford
Long & Foster - Fredericksburg, VA
Jim Crawford Broker Associate Fredericksburg VA
Fairbanks, Alaska Realtors Jesse & Kathy Clifton  We are the experts!  That is the way to approach it!  i also agree with you that an MLS entry alone will not make the deal!  That is just plain naive! There is also a difference between selling a home, and giving it away!  To properly qualify those statements, I would love to see...(and I doubt they exist) LP/SP ratio, Days on Market, Sellers Net etc...to properly evaluate.
Dec 04, 2007 03:56 AM
Bill Stanley
ERA The Good Broker - Woodstock, GA

Jim,

Perhaps we could use some of your listings and sales as an example of how a superior listed property presentation and Great Agent approach can increase the return a seller may receive. I would be very interested in some concrete facts from an expert such as yourself.

Dec 04, 2007 04:50 AM
Jim Crawford
Long & Foster - Fredericksburg, VA
Jim Crawford Broker Associate Fredericksburg VA
1 agents stats out of 45000 agents in Atlanta would not be representative of any trend.
Dec 04, 2007 06:32 AM