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Removing a Lock Box from the Sold Property ... Listing Agent's Liability?

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Real Estate Agent with Versailles Property DRE 01791487,​NMLS1884138

 Removing a lock box from the sold property ... Listing agent’s liability?

A while ago I closed an investor short sale purchase for my client. The listing agent forgot to remove one of the two generic 4-Number Real Estate Combination Lockboxes.

I visited the buyer couple of days ago and noticed the Lock box and surprisingly it still had the keys in it. The new owner never realized his home’s duplicate keys were still in the lock box. Co-incidentally he never changed the locks of his home either.

Anyway I sent couple of messages for the listing agent via email and voice mail, there was no response, so I decided to cut off the shackle of the lock and handed the lock to the owner’s kids to entertain themselves and guess the password.

Who should be responsible for a possible theft or burglary in case someone had opened the lockbox?

I am an expert in short sales and real estate on houses in Irvine. Please contact me if you or if you know anyone looking in the Orange County area.

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Evelyn Kennedy
Alain Pinel Realtors - Alameda, CA
Alameda, Real Estate, Alameda, CA

Deepak:

What an unsafe situation.  Did you consider calling the agents broker?  The agent was acting irresponsibility.

Feb 18, 2011 04:14 PM
Fred Griffin Florida Real Estate
Fred Griffin Real Estate - Tallahassee, FL
Licensed Florida Real Estate Broker

Thanks for reminding me to add a Written Disclosure, advising Buyer / New Owner to immediately change the Locks.

Feb 18, 2011 04:28 PM
Praful Thakkar
LAER Realty Partners - Burlington, MA
Metro Boston Homes For Sale

How many times this has happened? The first post - and yes, it is featured!

Congratulations, Deepak - and keep up the great work.

Feb 18, 2011 04:35 PM
Harry F. D'Elia III
WEDO Real Estate and Beyond, LLC - Phoenix, AZ
Investor , Mentor, GRI, Radio, CIPS, REOs, ABR

Many agents do leave their lockboxes on the house. I have done the same thing after contacting the listing agent to remove box. Owner cuts it off and thows it in the trash.

Feb 18, 2011 04:56 PM
Deepak Chauhan Asso-Broker, MLO
Versailles Property - Irvine, CA
Your Solution-Oriented Realtor

Owensboro: You are right I will follow your foot steps

Laura: Thanks, I call these agents "over blessed"

Christopher: I like the concept, take what is yours and pay for your mess before you leave.

Doug: thanks I feel great for your support

Fred: I think your idea is the best lesson, "Written Disclosure, advising Buyer / New Owner to immediately change the Locks" I will do it in my future transactions. Hats off to you

Evelyn: Even though I addressed him as LA, he is a "Broker"

Praful: Appreciate your support

Feb 18, 2011 05:01 PM
Christine Donovan
Donovan Blatt Realty - Costa Mesa, CA
Broker/Attorney 714-319-9751 DRE01267479 - Costa M

Deepak - It's an interesting question.  I would expect there would be liability on both the listing agent and the buyer who should have changed the locks as he doesn't know who has copies of the keys.

Feb 18, 2011 07:11 PM
Barbara Hensley
RE/MAX Properties - Rockwall, TX
Homes for Sale in Rockwall County, Texas

Congratulations on a FEATURE!  It is a mystery to me why a listing agent would not take off the lock immediately,  I would guess they did have time to collect the closing check!

Feb 18, 2011 10:11 PM
Raine Carraway (Michelle Carraway)
EXP Realty - Lenoir, NC

I think that it is the buyer's responsibility to change the locks, but I bet they could argue in court that the agent was liable if someone had gotten the key out and used it to get into the home. I always remind buyers that they'll need to change the locks once they move in, especially in the past couple years with all of the foreclosures & REOs around that are keyed the same.

Feb 18, 2011 10:27 PM
Phil Leng
Retired - Kirkland, WA
Phil Leng - Retired

Hi Deepak,

I deal in foreclosure properties. Finally I had to buy a bolt cutter so I could remove lock boxes from former listing agents who never took their box off.

One recently had the MLS keybox from 5 years ago. The homeowner who lost the home had the realtor keybox on the entire time they owned the home!

Phil

Feb 18, 2011 11:46 PM
Bill Gassett
RE/MAX Executive Realty - Hopkinton, MA
Metrowest Massachusetts Real Estate

It think this would be a real easy case for any attorney. The word used would be NEGLIGENCE!

Feb 18, 2011 11:56 PM
Irene Kennedy Realtor® in Northwestern NJ
Weichert - Lopatcong, NJ

Deepak,

Unacceptable that you even encountered this!  I do hope the new owners are getting the locks rekeyed...

Feb 19, 2011 01:07 AM
Deepak Chauhan Asso-Broker, MLO
Versailles Property - Irvine, CA
Your Solution-Oriented Realtor

Christine: You are right if you are making a huge investment why would not you be concerned to protect it on your own.

Barbara: Thanks, when LA are loaded with listings they can be negligent

Raine: There are so many mandatory disclosures in our industry, before any mishap takes place how do we initiate this issue as "mandatory disclosure to buyers" ... buyers responsible for rekeying and securing their property. I guess you made a very bold statement "all of the foreclosures & REOs around that are keyed the same." I will call CAR legal hotline next week and respond back with their take on it, thanks for lighting the fuse.

Phil: thanks for the input, lot of identical stories from all over.

Bill: I am very intimidated by lawyers and cops, you are right negligence like this can flush years of work and reputation.

Irene: I hope they do, I did my part of removing the issue and making them aware

Feb 19, 2011 03:15 AM
Jim Courtney
OklaHomes Realty, Claremore Oklahoma - Claremore, OK
CRS, GRI, AHWD

I have encountered this twice so far. One was a HUD home that had a 4 pin lockbox on it. I called the HUD and asked them about the box and they said they don't use them. The only thing I could figure out was a contractor must have placed the box there. The code was in the MLS and this was a couple of years ago before HUD started using boxes like now. I asked what I'm supposed to do with this box and was told..."Keep it, we don't want it!" Free box, cool.

The second incident was an REO and I couldn't reach the listing agent after it closed. Several tries and my buyer changed out the doorknob and pitched it.

It is the listing agents responsibility to remove all boxes and keys from the property.

Feb 19, 2011 03:31 AM
Janet McCarthy
San Diego Homes Guide - San Diego, CA
Broker Associate

I tell my buyers to have the locks changed the day the move in and I tell them how to get it done and who they might choose to help them.  It's weird how agents leave/forget about lock boxes and signs.  I guess once they get paid then the job is over.

Feb 19, 2011 04:15 AM
Deepak Chauhan Asso-Broker, MLO
Versailles Property - Irvine, CA
Your Solution-Oriented Realtor

Wow! There are so many incidents. I am ready to see a revision in RE Regulations.

Most of the rules/regulations are added to the bylaws of OSHA and Cal-OSHA after the accident has occurred. "No Texting while driving" was introduced in CA after LA train accident. RE industry is more visionary, we don't need a single mishap ... before the issue is simply acknowledged.

Abandoned Key boxes are a potential hazard for all the buyer families we represent nationwide, it is not a local issue of Irvine residents in CA; mandatory "Key Replacement Disclosure" upon sale must be addressed to CAR/NAR ... so called the RE HIGHER AUTHORITIES.

Please share your experience bringing up similar issues for their consideration, I donot want to reinvent the wheel.

Feb 19, 2011 04:30 AM
Kate Bourland
Marketing with Kate - Redding, CA
Onlilne Marketing Mobile Marketing

Interesting, one would think that this is a given.  Those boxes aren't cheap.  

Feb 19, 2011 12:01 PM
Sarasota & Manatee Counties FL
SaraMana Properties - QuickFreeMLS.com - Bradenton, FL
QuickFreeMLS.com - Listings In Paradise

Good blog post Deepak. Thank you for sharing your thoughts!

Feb 19, 2011 04:28 PM
Harrison K. Long
HomeSmart, Evergreen Realty - Irvine, CA
REALTOR , GRI, Broker associate, Attorney

Deepak ... Combo lock boxes are a safety concern anyway, and they should be removed by listing agent immediately after close of escrow.

The best way to make sure buyers are secure in their homes is to get the entry door locks rekeyed or changed.

Feb 25, 2011 04:34 AM
Anonymous
Paul Cheema

I am faced with the same situation here in Brampton, Ontario. The previous listing agent had this house listed in 2010 and the listing expired after 112 days on market.  After that he never removed that lockbox from the front entry door.

The owners re-listed the house with me just now and the listing is to come up on Sep 17th 2013 while we do little touchups. I have been trying to text and call the office to supply me with the combination so that I can remove the lockbox and install a newer one. No luck! Guess what? They don't remember the combination and the worst thing is the brokerage doesn't have it on file! Sick!

Threes years on the door and this lockbox has damaged the jamb by repeatedly striking on it whenever closed. 

Do you think the simple bolt cutter will cut through the shackle? or advise to cut it with a jig saw and a diamond blade?

 

Sep 13, 2013 02:45 AM
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Hannah Williams
HomeStarr Realty - Philadelphia, PA
Expertise NE Philadelphia & Bucks 215-820-3376

Deepak Chauhan MCNE®  i found this post from  Praful Thakkar   reblog  I see this is an old post  here is my response

It is common practice here that the buyer's agent will remove and bring the lock box to settlement/ closing  with the  keys as a curtesy when they do the final walk-through- also if you showed the property you has the compination would be a good idea to the listing office  

Apr 04, 2018 12:01 PM