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L-P Innerseal Siding

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Home Inspector with King of the House Home Inspection, Inc. Home Inspector Lic #207

Here in the Pacific Northwest, a multitude of homes were built with L-P innerseal siding as the cladding. Many people do not know it, but this product came not only in the lap siding that is so common, but also in 4ft x 8ft panels. As a home inspector, when I find oriented strand board (OSB), or the similar hardboard, I look at it very carefully. That is, especially so, the case when the house is from the mid-1980's to the mid-1990's.

Many real estate agents are more worried about whether or not the siding is L-P brand than they are worried about whether or not it is OSB or hardboard. In my view, the emphasis ought to be the other way around. All of the manufacturer's of these products, not just L-P, have had serious problems along the way. I, personally, am not a big fan of the "upgraded" wafer board and hardboard products that are still currently on the market.

However, since realtors often want to know if the house they are selling, or showing to clients, is the L-P innerseal siding that was subject to a lawsuit or not,  here is a way to tell. The L-P innerseal  products had a distinctive L and P that were placed in a signature knot. 

Now, to make it more obvious, take a look at the highlights: Red L and Blue P.

L-P --- Now it all makes sense to you.

 

         

              

Posted by

Steven L. Smith

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Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

That should be pretty good stuff.  As I remember, LP stands for Long Play.

Feb 20, 2011 09:36 PM
Michele Miller ~ REALTOR®, LMC, HSE, CHS, SRES, CMRS
ERA Key Realty~Worcester County Realty Group - Worcester, MA
'Helping You Make the Best Move"

Steven,

I've been in real estate for 6 years now and have come across this kind of siding yet.

Interesting stuff.

THANK YOU!

Feb 21, 2011 12:21 AM
Robert Butler
Aspect Inspection - Montreal West Island, QC
Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection

Funny, your "L" looks awkward. When I look at the original photo I see a different "L". Aside from that I know very little about this issue, but I've never been a fan of OSB products.

Feb 21, 2011 02:30 AM
Steven L. Smith
King of the House Home Inspection, Inc. - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham WA Home Inspector

Robert,

The L might be a bit short at the top. I was not going for great art, but the idea here was to allow someone to understand the way the letters are placed, and then recognize them above, which I think it does. It seems to have worked based on your comment. That was just a "paint" project. I went in and tweaked it, made it longer and posted it again.

Feb 21, 2011 02:53 AM
Robert Butler
Aspect Inspection - Montreal West Island, QC
Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection

Steve this is where I 'see' an L pattern. I know it's not as deep as the one you marked but it's there and it's a better orientation to the P and the reader. Not that it matters. Once you recognize the knot you'll always see it.

 

Feb 21, 2011 03:52 AM
Steven L. Smith
King of the House Home Inspection, Inc. - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham WA Home Inspector

Robert,

That one might work for your eye, but that is not the real L. The official L-P knot has the P meeting the botton corner of the L. Official ID chart for the knot is below. I always try to draw it pretty close to L-P, so some contractor will not say that the inspector got the right product but did not read the knot right. Often there is so much paint in the thing that it is hard to decipher at best.

Steve

Feb 21, 2011 04:30 AM
Robert Butler
Aspect Inspection - Montreal West Island, QC
Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection

Thanks Steve that photo really makes it clear. I was not clear from your blog what your background issue is with OSB products. For me it's always the immediate structural weakness as the product gets wet. 

Feb 21, 2011 04:37 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Even the "new" stuff is garbage---waste of natural resources

Feb 21, 2011 04:41 AM
Steven L. Smith
King of the House Home Inspection, Inc. - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham WA Home Inspector

Robert,

The issue here would be, among others, swelling, buckling, de-lamination, decay, fungus growing on it. Moisture is the key. The intent of this was to allow an agent to id the L-P, even though many of the similar sidings had problems. All of the agents, in this area, know all about L-P so I did not describe the specific defects. L-P is a hot button sort of like knob and tube. In fact, it is no worse than many other similar products, just got more bad press due to the popularity of it.

Feb 21, 2011 04:44 AM
Steven L. Smith
King of the House Home Inspection, Inc. - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham WA Home Inspector

Charlie,

Isn't it more a case of garbage in and garbage out. Don't they make it from wood that would be of no use for anything else other than, maybe, mulch.

Feb 21, 2011 05:17 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Steve, true---it would be better going straight to compost---bypassing the "hanging compost" stage

Feb 21, 2011 08:02 AM
Robert Butler
Aspect Inspection - Montreal West Island, QC
Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection

Thanks Steve, I got it. Same ole', same ole'. We just don't have the "L-P" label here.

Charles; "Hanging Compost", cute but probably won't catch on.

Feb 21, 2011 08:24 AM
Steven L. Smith
King of the House Home Inspection, Inc. - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham WA Home Inspector

Charlie,

I think one of the selling points is they make it from crap wood. Crap in and crap out. It might satisfy those into making the most of the least, but it ain't great on YOUR house. Although Nutsy finds it not bad on his place.

Feb 21, 2011 08:39 AM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Steve and Charlie,

You should see what they do over here with this stuff. If it was on your side of the bump it would go in a year or two.

Feb 21, 2011 05:18 PM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Never heard of that stuff out this way. OSB is garbage, but the manufacturer figured out a way to make into building products.

Feb 22, 2011 01:14 PM