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RISKY BEHAVIOR? DISCUSS SPECIFIC REAL ESTATE COMMISSIONS ON ACTIVERAIN BLOGS.

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DISCUSSING SPECIFIC REAL ESTATE COMMISSIONS ON ACTIVERAIN BLOGS 

Antitrust and Real Estate Commissions
Participation in online blogs is networking

BACKGROUND.  An ActiveRain post (Members Only) advising against ActiveRain members discussing real estate commissions in your ActiveRain blog generated a number of comments.  Some members agreed, some disagreed and some simply weren't aware of the risks associated with online discussion of specific real estate commissions by real estate agents/brokers.  One commentator responding to my comment suggesting that we not discuss specific commissions, asked for the source of my opinionJudge

SOURCE.  One case, United States v. Foley, is, IMO, the most interesting case on point.  While some ActiveRain members may say "but we're not agreeing to fix commissions", I don't believe that the law requires specific agreements among real estate licensees to actually fix commissions.  The mere discussion may, I believe, put the members who discuss or suggest specific real estate commission at risk.

I don't go as far as one member in stating that any discussion of fees and commissions is illegal.  I believe that discussion of specific real estate commissions is where licensees may be at risk.  General discussions about different brokerage models, commission versus fixed fees, etc. are, IMO, fine.  It's when specific commission amounts are discussed (written about) that we are at risk.

MARYLAND WAS GROUND ZERO.  Since I have lived in and/or practice real estate brokerage in Maryland for many years, the matter of price-fixing by real estate brokers is not new.  In many ways, Maryland was ground zero for the Department of Justice focus on anti-trust action and real estate brokers.

UNITED STATE V. FOLEY  is a good example of why some of us believe that the mere discussion of specific commission rates is risky. 

On September 5, 1974, defendant John Foley, the president of defendant Jack Foley Realty, Inc., hosted a dinner party at the Congressional Country Club in Bethesda, Maryland. The guests were nine of the leading realtors in Montgomery County, including each of the three individual defendants and one representative of each of the corporate defendants in this appeal.1 Following the meal, Foley arose and, after making some other remarks, announced that his firm was raising its commission rate from six percent to seven percent. A discussion about the rate change ensued. Within the following months each of the corporate defendants substantially adopted a seven percent commission rate . . . .  MORE.Agent with Blinders

WANT TO GET A COLD CHILL?  Read the United State v. Foley and, if you are a real estate licensee who attends business or social functions where other real estate licensees are present, if you hear any discussion about specific real estate commissions, just leave the room. 

Sergeant Phil Esterhaus, Hill Street Blues: "Hey, let's be careful out there."

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Comments (179)

Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Hella.  You do indeed make sure that the instructor makes a note that you left and why. 

Alan's solution of tossing a drink in the face of the head of the table is the point he wants to make.

I left one meeting when students for CE were discussing commissions and put in writing at the education office of the board the reason why. 

Yes.  Make it memorable.  Don't just disappear.

Feb 23, 2011 10:03 AM
Barbara Tretola
RAC Real Estate Associates, Inc. - Massapequa Park, NY

I do not understand why anyone would take that kind of risk. That was the first thing our broker taught us, and we have all the legal stats too and read the cases. I work with this brokerage  for this main reason, we tow the line or are kicked out. And we are always backed up. To me that is the most important thing, I value ethics and avoid situations that will compromise them.

Feb 23, 2011 03:11 PM
Karen Anne Stone
New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX
Fort Worth Real Estate

Carol:  Just participating in a discussion... like you are doing by even mentioning specific rates... can be seen as evidence by the Justice Department.  How do you look in an orange jumpsuit?  If I were you, I would remove the specific rates from your comment, or delete it altogether.

Feb 23, 2011 04:53 PM
DeeDee Riley
Lyon Real Estate - El Dorado Hills CA - El Dorado Hills, CA
Realtor - El Dorado Hills & the Surrounding Areas

Thanks Lenn, for the clarity on this.  Great discussion here!

Feb 23, 2011 05:47 PM
Mike Mayer
Mike Mayer, Broker/Owner - i List For Less Realty, LLC - Lafayette, LA

Tim, #150 - I had the same query. The response you received seems to indicate there's no source.

Feb 24, 2011 02:03 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Barbara. I don't either.  There was a post this a.m. with commission rates throughout.  I commented on that and she removed them (along with my comment).

DeeDee.  Great discussion indeed.

Mike.  It would follow then that you are free to discuss specific commission rates.  Foley isn't the only authority.  It's just the one that many MD folks know without deeper research.

Feb 24, 2011 02:21 AM
Lee & Pamela St. Peter
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices YSU Realty: (919) 645-2522 - Raleigh, NC
Making Connections to Success in Real Estate

Hi Lenn, ok, I've just finished my lunch reading all these responses!  Looks like a topic that needed discussing...

I just can't believe that there's any REALTOR® who would ask for the source of your opinion???  Where've they been?  Jokes always been if you want to "clear a room of Brokers start discussing commissions"  You do keep the facts straight for us here in the Rain, thanks and well done!
Pamela

Feb 24, 2011 04:21 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Lee and Pamela.  Thanks.  I have to laugh at that comment about clearing a room.  Sadly, there would be some folks that would stay.

 I'm fine with folks asking for a source.  I source everything.  However, when folks aren't satisfied with my sourse, they could find their own source and post it. 

I'm always willing to learn.

 

Feb 24, 2011 04:28 AM
Gary L. Waters Broker Associate, Bucci Realty
Bucci Realty, Inc. - Melbourne, FL
Eighteen Years Experience in Brevard County

Discussion of commission is strictly between myself and the client. Seems so simple. Thanks for the reference.

Feb 24, 2011 05:06 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Gary.  Thank you.  Between Agent/Broker or between broker and his agents.  Never between agent/broker with different companies.

Feb 24, 2011 07:06 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Valerie. I'm laughing out loud.  Poor Agent 86 couldn't hear a word the the Chief said and the Chief couldn't hear a word that Agent 86 said.

I'm laughing silly remember that wonderful funny wholesome non-violate spy spoof.

 

Feb 24, 2011 08:32 AM
Lana Robbins Realtor ® Licensed Real Estate Broker
Aloha Kai Real Estate - Clearwater, FL
Licensed in Florida, Washington, and Hawai'i

Hi Lenn. From Day One we were warned not to discuss commission. I listened. I will not walk that fine line. Ever.

Feb 24, 2011 10:55 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Lana.  Good for you.  Be safe and not sorry.  I am convinced that most of the trouble real estate practitioners get themselves in is simply because they talk too much.

Feb 24, 2011 10:11 PM
TODD PICCONI INLANDEMPIRE & SOUTH ORANGE COUNTY, CA
TODD PICCONI REAL ESTATE - Dana Point, CA
Personal Engagement,Precision, and Professionalism

Lenn..Wow! You never cease to amaze me.  When I grow up I wanna be like YOU :)

Thanks for your two cents and everybody else who commented on here...another insightful post with some very important information.

Feb 25, 2011 09:59 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Todd.  Thanks.  Just spreading the word.

Feb 25, 2011 10:04 PM
Wayne B. Pruner
Oregon First - Tigard, OR
Tigard Oregon Homes for Sale, Realtor, GRI

I find it hard to believe that people thought this type of discussion was ok. Go to any real estate association meeting and see how fast you get cut off if you bring up commissions.

Feb 27, 2011 01:54 PM
Jenny Durling
L.A. Property Solutions - Los Angeles, CA
For Los Angeles real estate help 213-215-4758

Another very insightful post. It amazes me how uniformed some agents are about what is and is not legal ot discuss.  There have definitely been posts on AR that have made me uncomfortable enough not to comment on them.

Feb 27, 2011 05:16 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Tigard.  You bet.  That said, I've been to real estate association meetings where agents would begin to discuss commission, the moderator would cut them off and they pick up right where they were left without taking a breath.  It's like, if it enters their mind, they must utter it.  Eeeekkkk.

Jenny.  Me too.  In fact, we, as licensees, don't even have to know whether or not something is or is not legal.  We need only know that we have been advised to not discuss it among different brokerages.

 

Feb 27, 2011 09:32 PM
David Evans
RE/MAX TOWN AND COUNTRY - Cumming, GA
HUD NLB Cumming GA

Great Post! Fixing commissions is WRONG! And we see alot more ads with flat rates in Georgia than I saw when I was Listing in Florida.

Mar 06, 2011 06:23 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

David.  Advertising fixed rates or advertising commission rates to consumers if fine.  Establishing a fixed or commission is fine.  It's discussing it among agents/brokers with different brokerages that's not safe.

Mar 06, 2011 09:54 PM