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It Won't Go FHA!

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with Mint Properties, Lic. #01871795 Lic. #01871795

It Won't Go FHA!

I have grown to hate this phrase.  It has truly taken hold of the real estate market in my area.  And I fear that people are actually starting to believe it.  What they really mean to say is that the seller will not do the repairs necessary for a home to go FHA.  Please be clear people! 

I have sold older homes in need of much repair and they have "gone FHA."  They just needed repairs.  And, the sellers (lenders many times) have done them.  So, how should I respond to the statement that "this home won't go FHA?"  I really don't know what to say when I believe and know this statement to be false.  I have no idea anymore, it is as if I have entered a parallel universe and agents are now all parroting this phrase.  Short sale, foreclosures, "regular" sales, you name it.   I am hearing this more and more and people are starting to believe it. 

Let's be clear -- I have done a deal where the lender did about $30,000 of lender required repairs for a home to "go FHA."  Now some lenders would have viewed that home as one which would not have "gone FHA" but it did - and they knew up front about the repairs required - they just preferred the price an FHA buyer would pay.  And, I've sold a foreclosed home built in the 1920's and the lender required repairs were closer to $500 than they were to $1000 plus a very minimal termite report.  I'm sure some people would have thought it wouldn't "go FHA" either. 

It seems that the disease of FHA aversion is spreading.  REO agents in particular look over homes and if they need repair they determine "they won't go FHA."  So, what is the cut off repair wise?  Whatever it is - it does not mean that the home will not "go FHA." 

It just means the seller won't.

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Tni LeBlanc, Broker
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tni@mintprop.com
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Brian L. Sirota, Esq.
Bristar Realty (Realtor/Attorney) - Orange, CA
For Solutions: (714) 501-7660

Tni, you're in luck, my new batch of t-shirts are in:  "Make Your Day, Go FHA!"

Brian

Feb 23, 2011 06:54 PM
Jon Quist
REALTY EXECUTIVES ARIZONA TERRITORY - Tucson, AZ
Tucson's BUYERS ONLY Realtor since 1996

Weak sellers agents make for poor sellers.

Feb 23, 2011 07:16 PM
Jon Quist
REALTY EXECUTIVES ARIZONA TERRITORY - Tucson, AZ
Tucson's BUYERS ONLY Realtor since 1996

Weak sellers agents make for poor sellers.


Feb 23, 2011 07:17 PM
Doug Bullwinkel
E Mortgage Capital, Inc. NMLS 1416824 - Roseville, CA
Mortgage Loan Officer NMLS #281609

Having a good loan agent is a good start.   FHA allows "as is" property sales subject to health and safety codes.  The guidelines are constantly changing and will continue to  do so.  There are some good FHA programs for rehab available.

Feb 23, 2011 07:31 PM
Andrea Swiedler
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices New England Properties - New Milford, CT
Realtor, Southern Litchfield County CT

Tni, I had one of my listings go under deposit last week, inspections already done. No real issues, my client has actually fixed everything already. But during the conversation the buyers agent mentioned this was an FHA loan, which was news to me!

I would not have done anything differently, however I do wish I would have known as I could have passed it on to my clients right away. Because IF something had come up in the inspections that would be an FHA headache I would not have appeared incompetent.

HOWEVER, having said that... it just seems to depend on who reads the inspection reports. I have seen identical issues pass on one house and become a huge issue on others! Go figure...

Oh, I feel my fingers a'twitchin... my brain a'brewin.... a post must be coming on!

Feb 23, 2011 10:00 PM
Allison Stewart
St.Cloud Homes - Saint Cloud, FL
St. Cloud Fl Realtor, Osceola County Real Estate 407-616-9904

Tni- You give great examples, of wht thinking through the obstacle is so important. As is vs As repaired value. Lenders can see if you provide the correct information that the return on their repair investment far outweights an As-Is sale projected price. 

Feb 23, 2011 10:23 PM
Conrad Allen
Re/Max Professional Associates - Webster, MA
Webster, Ma, Realtor

Hi Tni - Ignorance to FHA requirements is a real problem.  Agents need to understand the process.  Danell who is an FHA appraiser makes it clear that the rumors of what FHA wants are untrue.

Feb 23, 2011 10:50 PM
Coral Gundlach
Compass - Arlington, VA
Real Lives. Not Just Real Estate.

Another great one, Tni!   This has been going on for years, the idea that an FHA or VA appraiser will deny value over repairs or missing appliances.  A VA appraiser told me they dont care if appliances are missing, you can live in a home without a stove.  But every agent will tell you that there will be an issue. Big negative falsehood we need to quit spreading.

Feb 23, 2011 11:35 PM
Kimberly A Norgard
Devlin McNiff Halstead Real Estate - East Hampton, NY

Tni~ Thank you for that clear, albeit unfortunate, blog for sellers, appraisers, inspectors, and agents alike. 

Feb 23, 2011 11:59 PM
Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
Pasadena And Southern California 818.516.4393

Tni -- knowing the requirements of FHA(I admit they seem to change)is important for a Realtor to inform their client whether they be a seller or buyer.  

Feb 24, 2011 12:22 AM
Tni LeBlanc, Realtor®, J.D.
Mint Properties, Lic. #01871795 - Santa Maria, CA
Tenacious Tni (805) 878-9879

Ben Benita- See I consider that an individual problem - not an FHA problem.  An individual appraiser can cause issues even on a conventional deal.  Isn't there a mechanism to complain about individual appraisers for FHA?  I think there is for VA. It may hold up the individual deal but eventually it will clean up the field if people are called to account on these things if they are not proper.

Tommy - Well it is all over my market.  Yes, I hope you stay free of this issue.

Danell - Thank you for your input on these matters.  I also don't think FHA is about screen doors but bigger livable conditions. Also, there are FHA 203k loans as well.  I just think FHA is getting a bad rap in my market.

Gerard- LOL. Yes, but I don't think I'll be seeing that on a listing sheet any time soon!

Richard - Good point.  FHA is a great program for buyers and sellers.

Todd- Yes, and for FHA the buyer can pay for the repairs as well so there is flexibility there.  And, of course, unpermitted work many times can be removed.  There is a cost, but again it can be done.

Brian - Hey where's my T-shirt?

Jon Quist - I agree!

Feb 24, 2011 01:44 AM
Tni LeBlanc, Realtor®, J.D.
Mint Properties, Lic. #01871795 - Santa Maria, CA
Tenacious Tni (805) 878-9879

Doug - Good point and very true.  I am getting worried that new buyers are starting their home buying search under this misimpression that FHA just doesn't work on a lot of properties.  This misinformation is circulating rapidly in my area.

Andrea- Please send me a link when it's written! I too have seen inconsistencies all over the place for FHA, VA and conventional appraisals.  I guess as long as individuals are handling them we will have some variation.  But it can be handled.

Allison- Right and that is my point.  The top prices reflect what FHA buyers (who have lower down payments) are willing to pay.  But those prices many times reflect repaired properties.  If you are not attracting an all cash or conventional buyer it may be because you are asking a repaired price!   So, it's either or.  But don't tell me the property "won't go FHA," tell me the seller won't!

Conrad - Certainly we have all suffered from a weird appraisal here or there or at least heard of them.  But I have had plenty of great FHA deals.  FHA is getting a bad rap I think.

Coral - I think also it is regional.  Because in my area all the FHA appraisers seem to call out for those issues.  Get an appraiser from out of the area and they call out things we almost never see called out normally.

Thanks Kimberly.

Very true Michael - True,we have to keep up to speed on these things.

Feb 24, 2011 01:56 AM
Deborah "Dee Dee" Garvin
C2 Financial - San Diego, CA
C2 Financial

Tni,  Hate to say this, but more often that not it is an inexperienced agent (listing or selling) who makes the proclamation that the property will "NOT go FHA".  I also find that a sellers reluctance to accept an offer, any offer (FHA, VA, 203K, USDA, etc) has a direct correlation to the knowledge of the listing agent presenting the offer.  Ignorance breeds rejection.

Love your comment to Andrea.  "It can be handled."  Unfortunately, both agents and MLO's are often times more focused on the challenge than the solution.  Said peeps bring a lot of drama to the party.

Feb 24, 2011 04:38 AM
Maya Swamy
Funds Available - Long Beach, CA
Ph.D. Long Beach, CA - fundsavailable.com

I had one deal that was FHA with Los angeles City downpayment assistance. There were significan repairs to be done but both the city and the FHA agreed that this could be done after purchase. The condition was that the City assistance would hold the money for the repairs and disburse them to contractors after closing. The borrower of course had less money for pre-repair price but he could buy an as is home.

Feb 24, 2011 09:42 AM
Rodney Mason, VP of Mtg Lending
Guaranteed Rate NMLS# 2611 - Atlanta, GA
AL,AR,AZ,CA,CO,FL,GA,IN,MI,MS,NC,NV,SC,TN,TX,VA,WA

HUD made a lot to changes to appraisals in Mortgagee Letter 2005 ML-48.  The letter states that "FHA Rosters Appraisers are reminded to report all readily observable property deficiencies."  Only the items that represent a risk to health or safety or the soundness of the property require automatic repair. 

Many REO sellers are in fact willing to make FHA required repairs.

Feb 24, 2011 02:07 PM
Nick T Pappas
Assoc. Broker ABR, CRS, SFR, e-Pro, @Homes Realty Group, Broker/Providence Property Mgmnt, LLC Huntsville AL - Huntsville, AL
Madison & Huntsville Alabama Real Estate Resource

Tni, Although everyone has good answers...as a former appraiser I like Danell's answer that the "home is in FHA condition" or that it "could go FHA".

Feb 24, 2011 03:07 PM
Bill Burchard
3B Realty: 951-347-3818, CA - Murrieta, CA
Broker, Realtor, Representing Buyers and Sellers

Good morning, Tni. As noted, the key is to understand what repairs the FHA appraiser will require (if any) and who will pay for them.

(And I want one of Brian’s T-shirts, too!)

Feb 25, 2011 05:05 AM
Tni LeBlanc, Realtor®, J.D.
Mint Properties, Lic. #01871795 - Santa Maria, CA
Tenacious Tni (805) 878-9879

Deborah - For sure drama it is.  FHA can do so many things.  I'm always annoyed when I hear these false proclamations.  I hate to say it also but an uneducated agent is a dangerous proposition.

Maya - Sounds like a win win for everyone.  If the parties are willing many properties will "go FHA."

Rodney - That's been my experience as well.  Many REO sellers do make these repairs and there are some that will not ever.  They would rather sit and wait than even accept an FHA 203k -- the mere site of "FHA" invokes false fears.

Nick - Yes, Danell made a great point.

Bill - Yes, that is the key!  Brian -- did you hear that?  We're waiting!

Feb 25, 2011 05:12 AM
Joe Kenny
Realty Executive Midwest - Darien, IL
Better Than Your Average Joe

Tni, I had my handy man make some minor repairs on a reo just so my buyers could get their FHA loan approved.  Now I'm sure it was probably not the best scenario to repair a home that my clients didn't own but sometimes you have to take a calculated risk.

Feb 27, 2011 01:42 AM
Tni LeBlanc, Realtor®, J.D.
Mint Properties, Lic. #01871795 - Santa Maria, CA
Tenacious Tni (805) 878-9879

Hey Joe - I recently had buyer put in a new water heater and stove on a listing.  It wasn't the best scenario either but it was the only way they were going to get the home.

Feb 27, 2011 02:09 PM