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43 Comments on Mortgage Fraud: You got away with it...or DID you?
Hugh: It's bizarre the sense of entitlement and how easy it is to just walk away from your responsibilities. Thanks for your comments.
Jason: Thanks for dropping in. Feel free to pass on whatever info is useful to you.
Darrel: I know two people who were caught in awful white collar crimes. The amazing thing is not how awful they are, but how easy it is to fall into. The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. Thanks for stopping by.
Lola: Thank you. I like the Fraiche Aire group...I just can't spell it.
Matt: One mile away? This post was about fraudulent behavior, not stupid behavior. That one's pretty funny. Thanks for swinging by...and I wish you a better team mate than the previous lender.
Renee: Thank you for stopping in. For someone in Sin City you're surprisingly open to doing things the right way! :)
Pamela: Thanks. I actually took the gold star and bronzed it so that I can have it forever. On the mantle.
Janet: I hesitate to answer, because different investors and guidelines view them differently. Every time I run into a grey area I call up my underwriter, Kellie. She's a DE underwriter and has been in the biz for ages.
On #1 This is the reason they offer stated income loans to wage-earners rather than only to the self-employed...I'm going to have to research it a little to get to an answer and was hoping someone else could help out. Your idea?
#2 is fraud...and you'd be amazed how many underwriters wouldn't find the error.
I'm going to disagree with you on #3...the intent is to use it as a second home, and as long as it's 50 miles away and in a resort area, that meets the guides and reasonability. Buyer CAN'T use rental income to qualify, but it's okay to rent out a vacation home. (It does complicate your taxes.)
Lenn: Your post deserved the attention. And it's so true...mortgage companies just don't want to be landlords. Maybe they should have kept money tighter? Speaking of keeping money tighter, how about that Bernanke?
Elizabeth: Feel free to send out a link or something. I'm glad you found it useful.
All 3 are fraud. What is amazing to me is how clever some of the schemes are. If they would just work equally hard at "legitimate" business...they would be successful.
Of course, all three are fraud. It is perfectly OK for the agent to provide comps, but unless the comps are actually better than the one's used by the appraiser they are useless. I see this happen a lot because many agents list houses with prices that don't take differences in square footage into account.
The astonishing thing to me is how many people in the real estate chain of events seem to think that they are never going to get into trouble once they get the deal through underwriting and closed, given the massive paper trail that follows a mortgage. In my area, I see many fraud convictions in the news from transactions done many years ago.
Paul: Tell us how you really feel! The scenario you describe has been happening in Southern California recently...not so much in Hemet, but it seems to be creeping this way from San Diego County to Temecula and Murrieta. The Hemet-San Jacinto Association of Realtors' lawyer keeps coming to the MLS meetings and warning people to keep it above board and to look out for this stuff.
"Cuff yourself and lose my phone number" is priceless.
Those are all scenarios that you posed to me over the past few years Joey. Yup...you did some pretty creative stuff. You should be ashamed.
OOPS, wrong Joey sorry!
No, no Joey. It was 125% no doc - neg am! The owner was to carry a silent second and refund 100K of the loan proceeds at closing, you were paying all of my closing costs and rebating 2 of the 4 points over. She really was my grandmother...I swear, It is my partner who is the illegal, Why is Cathy not mentioned in this post either and no, I will not go out with you on Thursday......Darn it's late....strike that last one. I am setting up my calendar and doing this at the same time.
I like the Mortgage folks who say...well, the agent told me to.....
This is an excellent post and well deserved Feature. There have always been and will always be those who do not feel the need to act legally and morally and when things are going gang busters, there are more opportunities. Sad but true.
Tom: Thanks for bringing Chris and I back to reality with a snap! The email...who does it go to? Maybe someone should post on that (hint, hint) because I forgot to include what to do if you see this sort of thing in my post. Thank you for your visit.
Cynthia: They don't do this sort of thing in North Carolina, do they? :) Thanks for visiting...you're a gem.
Tom: Very cool. Thanks for that. Please come back here and post the link in the comments.
Joey,
Once again, informative and well written.....gave it a 5.....
Julie: Thank you very much. I hope all is well for you!