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This could be a good FYI for newer agents -before you run into this situation-. At one time I listened to the pros and cons of buying referrals. On one hand it made sense IF it replaced other advertising and was more effective.

     Lesson Learned: Ask more questions. A lead generation company emailed me that they had a seller who wanted to list in my area. Later down the road, I find that the innocent and vulnerable seller had filled out one of those web forms somewhere offering help in finding the right agent. The service of course is free to the prospective seller. The seller is unaware that this contact will cost the agent in the neighborhood of $2, 280.00 before splits and expenses when the home closes (if referral is accepted).

     The rationale for the agent accepting such a proposition is that the fee replaces other brand/service advertising. In essence, we are convinced that we would be spending that much money somewhere along the line to gain that listing anyway, so why not do it the easy way?

     I accepted the listing lead. Sure enough the sellers and I had a "meeting of the minds" and chose to work together. That's when I found the lead company had been a little misleading. The sellers requested an agent with "a lot of sales", hot-in other words. Well, to be truthful, I move at my own pace and would not consider myself in the big league or fast moving. I work steadily, competently. I had a good year last year, but this year stinks as far as my sales record (partly because of all the changes I've made). The sellers trusted the lead company to do what they said they would do. Odd that they sent me, and the sellers and I chose to continue the relationship.

     However, when we got down to the nuts and bolts of commissions--I found that she was unaware that the referral company was charging 25% of 2% at closing. This explains one reason why more agents didn't jump at the chance to represent this fine home and family.

     If I EVER consider accepting another lead referral, I will ask:

  1. Did you inform the prospect that you charge the agent a fee?
  2. What did you promise the prospect? If I do not meet the criteria, I will not accept.

Use your calculator! The particular company in question charged a 25% of 2%.of selling price before splits and expenses. Example: $456, 000 X 2% =$9, 120 X 25% = $2, 280.00 .

What do you think? Should lead generation companies disclose to consumers what they charge agents? (i.e., If and when an agent accepts our contact to them regarding your request, it will cost the agent approximately $2, 280 or 25% of 2% of your closing price. However, we provide this service free to you.

Is the lead generation company promulgating price fixing by setting their fee to agents at 25% of 2%?

Here's what I think. I think these lead generation companies should be investigated regarding potential anti-trust violations. How do I come up with that link? Because I believe they are encouraging a minimum commission across brokerages. 

 

 

    

 

 

12 Comments on Lead Generation Companies--Should They Disclose?

Here in Iowa as of July 1st by law we have to disclose to a buyer or seller in writing if a referral is being paid before a listing is taken or an offer to purchase is made. I've been receiving a lot of these types of calls lately because my website gets high rankings. The key question they ask is "Do you accept referrals?", and they don't identify themselves as an agent. I ask "Are you REALTOR?" When they say "no" and grab the script, I say twice, "I appreciate the call, but I'm not interested."

10/01/2007 01:03 AM by Matt G. CRS, ABR, GRI


Matt, that's a great way of handling the issue. Thanks for responding. Do you think the Lead Generation companies should disclose to the consumer that they charge the listing agent?

10/01/2007 01:12 AM by Suzi Gravenstuk, MS Broker License # 17787 (MGC Realty, LLC)


Suzi---At least you weren't paying $49.95/mo on top of that commission split like some who pay for leads. I do believe that the company should disclose that they are charging the Realtor a referral fee of 25% though. How much would you pay for a referral from another Realtor in another area of the country? I think that should be the criterea to go by when considering whether their referral fee is fair. Interesting topic, thanks for posting it.

10/01/2007 01:18 AM by Andrew Trevino Wilkes-Barre Homes For Sale (TradeMark Realtors Group)


Hi, Andrew. Its not the fee that I mind so much as the fact that the method of charging seems to encourage only % based participants. All agents and brokerages do not charge the same way for the same services. I believe this company is in the dark ages to demand 25% of 2%. I believe that if the end consumer knew that the chosen agent would end up paying a hefty sum for selling their listing they might use a more traditional way of finding a REALTOR.

In a way, even though this seller chose to work with me, the lead gen company still did not follow through with what she requested.

10/01/2007 01:34 AM by Suzi Gravenstuk, MS Broker License # 17787 (MGC Realty, LLC)


I think lead gen companies should just be outlawed.  Unfortunately, enforcement becomes difficult.  I also think that they should all have to be licensed.  >>> Any one that discusses property with a consumer in Florida must be licensed.  If you run a website seeking consumers who are looking for property, I think you should be licensed, everyone from web support to call center and secretaries.  I suppose you could argue that the consumer was looking for agents and not property.  But lead gen companies are an interloper on our profession.  They have cost this industry a lot of money but have not generated one additional sale.  I guess that is the price of living in a capitalist and laisse-faire society.

10/01/2007 01:59 AM by Dwight Wolfe (Emerald Coast Realty, Inc.)


I agree. In Mississippi we do have referrel forms to fill out when paying another broker. This was a company with a licensed broker. Again, my beef was that this consumer was surprised that they were charging the agent.

I don't know if they should be outlawed, but they should advertise if 4* agents (for example) go to be 4* by paying a fee. I think disclosure is good, all the way around.

10/01/2007 04:39 AM by Suzi Gravenstuk, MS Broker License # 17787 (MGC Realty, LLC)


I have always steered clear of lead generation companies. One recently wanted me to buy my zip-code but had no good answer on what they do to generate these leads.

10/01/2007 05:06 AM by Keith Perry - REALTORĀ® -West Metro Atlanta (Coldwell Banker)


Suzi, they all end up in my spam filter. I haven't called one. They are just running web sites and sending out names.

10/01/2007 05:20 AM by Century 21 First Realty


Hey Suzi,

Looks like we have a battle going on. Congrats on being in the top spot. (for now). :) I made a rule that I will not pay a monthly fee for leads but I will pay the referral fee for any lead ending in a closing. The way I look at it is 75% is better than 0 % but 29.99 per month is not better than 0%. By the way if you have anyone moving this way due to Toyota send them to me and I will gladly pay 25 - 30% fee.

Good Luck

10/01/2007 10:19 AM by T.U.P. Realty


I got out of sync with you guys:

Dwight: I agree that Lead Generation companies should be under the same scrutiny and disclosure mandates that real estate agents are. That would send some of them packing really quick. Further, it appears that some are trying to set "our" commissions, which is an anti-trust violation. IMHO. 25% of 2% doesn't sound like much until you are dealing with an upscale home.

Keith and Robin: Maybe as Jeff indicates later, there is a difference in buying zipcodes and paying from close. I guess buying a zip code wouldn't need a disclosure as a company that is referring with compensation based on close.

Joe, thanks for dropping by and commenting. I think the majority agree with you. Buying Zip codes and "top of Google, Top of Yahoo" would likely not be under the same obligation as stated above because I don't believe they actually interact with the lead generator. Maybe Lead Generator and Lead Provider are 2 different animals.

Jeff: I can't believe you finally noticed me:-) I was trying to sneak up on you. That was fun, however I know that you and Damion can overtake me any time you choose.

 Hey, everybody--its reciprocity time. See you at your blogs.

10/01/2007 10:19 AM by Suzi Gravenstuk, MS Broker License # 17787 (MGC Realty, LLC)


I'm fine with the 25% referal fee from the lead generating companies.  You either have success with them or you don't, and some are better than others.  As long as the end customer is getting what they want and all other parties are satisfied then I'm all for the lead generating companies.  I don't see the need for a disclosure to the end customer (it does not affect them, only the realtor).  These lead generating companies provide a service that they spend lots of money promoting, and should be compensated in return.

10/05/2007 11:09 PM by Rob Gerichs (RE/MAX Honolulu)


Rob, I see your point. However, I think consumers should be aware that these lead generating sites are selling their request. Even a simple, "Mr./MS prospect, we don't do this for free, We charge the agent who ends up accepting your request for assistance. Our agent finder service is free to you." I think the prospect should be aware that the agents suggested or advised to contact them is the one (s) willing to pay for that privilege. I agree that for the agent, it can be how he or she chooses to spend their marketing $$. It could end up being less espensive to rely on someone else's marketing and pay at closing. I just feel the consumer should be aware.

I always vote for disclousre.

10/16/2007 12:11 AM by Suzi Gravenstuk, MS Broker License # 17787 (MGC Realty, LLC)


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